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 Samsung Galaxy Note II LYN's Official Thread, It's coming on 11/10! AP sets here now!

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post Sep 1 2012, 10:48 AM

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This is example of good discussion, with sauce some more.

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It's no longer a PenTile matrix like on the original Note (which had a slight crosshatch patter noticeable, but only if you look really closely). Perhaps these photos snapped with a digital microscope will help clear up the differences in pixel arrangements.

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The pixels of the Note II have one tall Blue sub-pixel on the left and smaller Green and Red pixels stacked one on top of the other. It's an odd arrangement, but it has three subpixels per pixel. The reason for the different Blue pixel is that Blue AMOLEDs typically have a shorter life and making them bigger balances things out. Also, the Blue pixel doesn't shine as brightly, which also improves its life, but doesn't affect color balance (because it's bigger).
To illustrate how the different arrangement improves sharpness we used our microscope to snap a picture of very tiny text - the line width here is 1px, the font is white.

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As you can see, the Galaxy Note II screen lights up individual pixels to display the 1px-wide lines. The old Galaxy Note, however, can't use a single pixel as each individual pixels can't make white, as it only has two of the three needed colors.
To fix that, the screen uses sub-pixel rendering, which "borrows" a subpixel from a neighboring pixel to make white. But now the line has become 1 2/3px wide.
This new arrangement seems to result in some very slight color aberrations around sharp edges, but it takes a great deal of eye-strain to try and see it.


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http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_not...eview-806p2.php

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QUOTE(booooster @ Sep 1 2012, 12:51 PM)
yes it does  smile.gif
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really? show proof.
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post Sep 1 2012, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Sep 1 2012, 01:17 PM)
google the note 2 hands on doh.gif  doh.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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That's not the point. Of course I know abt google.
But each claim like that shld be backed up with reliable sauce.

Refer here for good example. http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...post&p=54275219
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post Sep 1 2012, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Sep 1 2012, 01:32 PM)
so hard to google? sweat.gif
and btw this is not pentile vs non pentile thread doh.gif
and btw why not samsung include all the s3 functions into their flagship?
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Ur still not getting the point. user posted image

For good posting practice, always state ur sauce of info. Otherwise, ppl will not believe u. No credibility.
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QUOTE(mydragoon @ Sep 1 2012, 01:40 PM)
for someone who dislikes Android and idolize Apple, you sure like to hang out here a lot.

btw, your post is off topic. better delete our before mods issue you a warning...

brushing the troll aside..  :-)

very certain note 2 will have what s3 has got. that has been the trend with original note. note is essentially s3 with a bigger screen and s pen.
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post Sep 1 2012, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Sep 1 2012, 01:55 PM)
enough of crap talk
back to the note 2 topic

the note 2 should have great battery life considering its 3100mah battery  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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yes, let's not be distracted by others who try to incite hatred.

3100 mAH sounds great. but dun forget, its such a huge screen, with quad core.

battery life also depends on signal strength in malaysia.


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QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Sep 1 2012, 02:06 PM)
since screen size just 0.7 difference from s3 and processor is clocked 200mhz higher
seems like the phone will have a great battery life
at least on par with the s3 which i have no problem to get get 5 hours of screen on time thumbup.gif
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but it's different sub-pixels arrangement liao. and quad-core. so we are not sure of battery life without tests and real life reports.

so it's pointless to discuss it now. nod.gif
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post Sep 1 2012, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Sep 1 2012, 02:15 PM)
subpixel arrangement have nothing to do with battery life
do ur research first before saying it is pointless to discuss about this icon_rolleyes.gif
just my 0.2$
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R u sure? Or just simply talking?
They got big blue pixel and smaller green and red ones. So the electric required may be different.
Hence I think it will influence power consumption
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post Sep 1 2012, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Sep 1 2012, 06:14 PM)
Haha this is true
Don't want then don't buy laa
No need to bash
It's not like u are the engineer/designer at Samsung whatsoever
Lolz
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still have not decided whether to buy or not. its been playing on my mind.

on one hand, i will still like to give android/samsung a chance to impress me but on the other hand, the specs are quite a bit dissapointing.

why can't they wait just a little longer so they can give a better specs note upgrade

a) True Super Amoled Plus HD (still not convinced abt the rgbb thingy)
b) A15 quad-core
c) better design (don't understand why must they follow s3 unless its much cheaper to do so)

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 1 2012, 06:44 PM)
RGB is three color per pixel. Whereas Amoled HD is only two color per pixel. This newer Note 2 also same case, different arrangement. If more equals higher power usage, then your so called One X drains much more than Note2/S3.

Please don't simply post without proof to backup your claim.
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that's the trouble with many ppl here, all of u shld pay more attention during language class.
and u r so touchy. laugh.gif

i've never said more pixels = higher power usage. i was just wondering got any influence or not.

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Sep 1 2012, 06:54 PM)
And what answer were you expecting given that it isn't available yet.
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well, to be honest i dunno.
i am waiting for the experts to come in and discuss in a more rational manner instead of flaming and bashing.


Added on September 1, 2012, 7:02 pm
QUOTE(nonstopps3 @ Sep 1 2012, 06:55 PM)
KuLi , no play Dead Trigger on iphone eh? Free adi...
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ehh...i dun have an iphone.
even so i am not into mobile gaming.
no opportunity.
too busy and i hardly wait for bus or stand in queue.
got driver/PA to do that for me.
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post Sep 1 2012, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Sep 1 2012, 07:14 PM)
that battery drain issue lets wait for official release and review k thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  sweat.gif
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that's why it was a good practice for official threads to start after the device is available.
but nowadays, too many ppl jumped the gun and creat official threads just after global launch.
it may take months before the ppl can get their hands on it and enuff useful reviews are available.


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QUOTE(jwyong001 @ Sep 1 2012, 10:29 PM)
hey guys, since i am a little bit free so allow me to take some time explain about the super amoled screen which is a hot topic on note 2 thread i believe..here we go.. rclxms.gif

the first samsung super amoled = super amoled
using by s1 which is pentile arrangement
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2nd gen super amoled = super amoled plus
s2 (RGB)
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3rd gen super amoled = HD super amoled
note, s3, nexus (pentile)
compare with 1st and 2nd gen super amoled under same dimension it allow more subpixel put into screen due to resolution upgrade to HD (720p). theoretically the screen should be more fine with more subpixel..
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4th gen super amoled = HD super amoled (plus???)
note 2
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HD resolution so more "complete" pixel can put inside a screen..and look properly the arrangement is totally different with 3rd gen which is using pentile..
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here is another pic..
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what we can see is the blue color is actually ONE only..so basically it almost same with the 2nd gen super amoled which 3 color (red, blue, green) combine together to form a complete pixel..i would say this is special form of RGB invented by samsung..they double up the blue color to overcome the low light performance on blue color itself..

correct me if i am wrong..thx and have a nice day!! icon_rolleyes.gif
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if this really can improve the display than rclxms.gif so it means samsung has acknowledged the weakness of pentile display and worked to improve it.
which is excellent news.
but we have to wait for the actual unit before any conclusions can be made.

on a separate note, hopefully s3 will be upgraded with this next gen amoled screen as well. s3 plus anybody? wink.gif

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QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Sep 1 2012, 11:29 PM)
samsung is fixing and improving its display
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By using this new method, is the reliability of the screen been reduced?

Remember last time Samsung die die defended the s3 pentile matrix? Now it seems the story is different? LOL

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Samsung’s Galaxy S3 has only been official for just over a week and is yet to see the light of day in any part of the world, but has already provoked more controversy and passion than probably any other Android-based smartphone in history.

It’s practically impossible to find someone interested in technology who doesn’t have a strong opinion on Sammy’s new flagship phone, with feelings ranging from disappointment and anger to excitement and enthusiasm.

The Galaxy S3’s detractors voiced their discontent with the phone’s design first and foremost. But there have been a lot of voices that expressed concern over the use of a PenTile subpixel layout for the new Super AMOLED display. Samsung’s officials have defended the phone’s design from the get-go, calling it revolutionary and innovative, but up until now they have kept quiet about the Pentile screen “issue”.

However, in an exclusive talk with the guys at MobileBurn, Sammy officials have finally weighed in on the PenTile vs RGB debate. Moreover, they offered what seems like a very plausible explanation for the use of the PenTile pixel layout.

Before getting into the subject, let’s quickly talk about PenTile and RGB and explain in a few words the two technologies. RGB means “red green blue” and is generally used to refer to the sub-pixel matrix used in a display that sees three individual sub-pixels (one red, one green, one blue) making up a complete pixel. The red, green, and blue sub-pixels exist as vertical bars, each one measuring a third of the width of the full pixel.

In contrast, the PenTile matrix uses five sub-pixels in a different formation. They can act as a part of numerous logical pixels, and they often contain pure white sub-pixels. PenTile displays are perceived as brighter than RGB screens, but many display purists consider them fuzzier and overall inferior to the classic RGB.

Now that we’ve explained how things should be in theory with PenTile and RGB, let’s hear what Sammy has to say. According to Philip Berne, from Samsung America, the choice of PenTile was made with durability and reliability in mind. According to the Samsung official, AMOLED displays that use RGB layouts have a tendency to degrade faster, due to the green subpixels being for some reason more “fragile”.

However, the PenTile matrix used for the manufacturing of the S3 display arranges the subpixels in a RGBG layout (red, green, blue, green). Thus, there are more green subpixels than red or blue, and so the display will have a longer lifespan than a classic RGB.


http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-ga...reliable-84716/



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QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Sep 2 2012, 04:24 PM)
hmm.gif looking at the trend now it should be microsim as well hmm.gif
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After iphone4 used the microsim, all phones are following now except for low end models.
So it is very likely note2 will follow and use microsim. Unless they use nano sim!
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can we trust the indians? hmm.gif
but the price is interesting, abt RM 2164

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Samsung Galaxy Note II goes on pre-order in India

The Android smartphone everyone's talking about this week has got a price and a release date in India. Online retailer Infibeam has put the Galaxy Note II on pre-order for 38,500 INR, which is about $694.

According to our tipster, who has had a word with the online retailer, the Galaxy Note II will be available as early as September 22. Initially, the phone will be available in its grey and white versions, but later the device will be available in brown as well.

Still, the release date is earlier than Samsung's announced launch date in October, so don't get your hopes up. There's always the outside chance that the Samsung engineers just completed the development a bit earlier than expected and manufacturing started ahead of schedule


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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Sep 3 2012, 08:51 AM)
pro kaki.. y note dpi higher than note 2 dpi? any1 can explain? thanks~
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simple.

imagine u r arranging a single layer of kuaci shells on the floor.

for note1, the number of kuachi shells u got is more than note2. (don't ask me why but this is samsung decision).

furthermore, for note2 the area that u can spread the kuachi shells is slightly bigger.

so number of kuachi shells divided by area for note1 is higher.

faham?
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QUOTE(mydragoon @ Sep 3 2012, 08:54 AM)

as for cropping photos, i think it'll be similar to Note1. need to snapshot first. but maybe Samsung may have automated the process and somehow do a screenshot automatically or something. but even on Note 1, screenshot is kinda easy... press button and tap on screen. after snapshot, the editing tool launches...

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actually, many ppl find it unnatural and very clumsy way.
to hold the huge thing in one hand while the other hand holds the tiny lidi thing.
summore hv to adjust fingers and press that tiny button on the lidi to do screen capture.

in fact, KuLi is glad if samsung got their engineers to work harder and finally improves on this weakness. nod.gif
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QUOTE(thpace @ Sep 3 2012, 11:30 AM)
why does it sound like you are holding playboy magazine in one hand an while holding your tiny didi on the other hand whistling.gif  It quite natural what whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif

well if u dislike, you can use the Gnote 10.1 stylus. According to gsmarena, it essential the same except it bigger and more comfortable to use. That if you have inferior complex about your small lidi thing wink.gif
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If I can help it, prefer just to leave the stylus inside its slot. But maybe it's useful for ppl who like to draw and demand a certain level of preciseness.
For the general ppl, main attraction of note is the screen.
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QUOTE(Star_Scream @ Sep 4 2012, 12:06 PM)
Wow even sun tzu is asking this question lol
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