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post Nov 22 2012, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(alhakam88 @ Nov 21 2012, 06:21 PM)
Let me share some of experiences of getting job. I admit, it is hard to get into oil n gas industry but it is not impossible. If you try hard enough you will get it eventually. Have you heard of pareto law, law of 80-20. This law is quite applicable to most situation where out 100 applications you apply, only 20 applications respond back to you and so on for later stage (interview). So you have to keep applying and also keep track of what you have applied. Make a list and update it from time to time. When I was unemployed, I read the Star almost everyday to find employment.

Until one day, my efforts were paid off when I was offered to work as trainee mudlogger with Geoservices (not a tambi company). The pay was low but with offshore allowances it is not so bad comparing with land job. Do not compare with other offshore jobs like cementer, wireline, completion , mwd, mud engineer, geologist, directional driller and etc. It will demotivate you. Working in mudlogging is a good place to learn about operation especially drilling. You will learn to monitor every single drilling parameter and it is your responsibility to report any changes.  So it is easy for people to blame you if you miss something. For example if the mud loss during drilling and you missed it. There is high changes to be run off from the rig.

After few months becoming a trainee mudlogger, I was promoted to mudlogger. During that period, I only did was collecting drilling samples. When not drilling, I used that time to learn how to monitor the operation. Depending on the sampling interval and rate of penetration, you will collect certain amount of samples in an hour. It is tiring when you have to take more than two samples per hour for 12 hours shift. I was lucky, I had to do this for 4 hitches before becoming mudlogger. When you are mudlogger, you don't have to do sampling anymore. Sampling is done by sample catcher or trainee mudlogger.

This job may not look lucrative as other job, but you learn a lot about operation. Many people work here as stepping stone for other job. There are many ex-mudloggers are now working somewhere else as completion, mwd engineer, wellsite geologist, drilling engineer and many more. So it opens to many other opportunities but you have to keep your eye open and build your own networking. Don't worry, on the rig, you will meet many kind of people. That's the change to network.

Set your target, how long you want to work as mudlogger and work for it. My 2 cent advice, don't stay there for too long (1-2 years is ok), or else you are stuck. Once you stuck, it is very hard to move. That is the case for most people in mudlogging. Everybody want to quit. Learn, get promoted and leave quickly. Now I am no longer with Geoservices, currently working with the custodian of petroleum resources in m'sia. Many of my friends in mudlogging are leaving for better opportunities.

Good luck!


Added on November 21, 2012, 11:22 pm

Wisconsin-Madison?
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Nice advice. A lot of my friend here also started as a mudlogger and they are now successful Geologist.

As for the Uni tongue.gif

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post Nov 24 2012, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(InF.anime @ Nov 23 2012, 04:38 PM)
Hi Bro, so you can call yourself the 3% in this industry? Or maybe the 1%?
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I get by. But fingers itching to balik malaysia lah .... nasi lemak and roti cani for breakfast sounds really tempting. We'll see how it goes.
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post Nov 24 2012, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(engrfeez @ Nov 24 2012, 09:59 AM)
Azreil, how many years you at middle east, I am 3 months also tempting to going back. One day when I took taxi to going at Mall, the bangladesh taxi told me, wah malaysia lots so many jobs pun coming here ka? better works at your country and develop it...Hahahha...it really shock and make me thinking a lot..haha
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This will be my 6th year here. Rindu sama kawan kawan daaa ... This whatsapp is the devil. I'm jelly because all my friends can just drop a chat and everyone joins for teh tarik session ....
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post Nov 25 2012, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(engrfeez @ Nov 24 2012, 08:36 PM)
great 6yrs can still maintain here, good la bro.. i dont think i would like to stay long.. planning to settle down but dunno which company oil and gas is good for settle down..good package to maintain..i heard exxon or petronas...talisman also good i heard about it.
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Main reason I am here is because of my kids. If companies in Malaysia is willing to pay for my kids education, then we can seriously discuss my return.
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post Nov 25 2012, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(blo0dLuSt @ Nov 25 2012, 03:22 PM)
Guys. If i start as technical assistant, its good for me or not? How much is the expected salary?
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Where? Usually a TA is for non-degree holder so you cannot expect a high salary.


Added on November 25, 2012, 9:26 pm
QUOTE(mhyug @ Nov 25 2012, 10:00 AM)
ahh the feeling of being far away from teh dan nasik.well yet to sample that feeling but i hope to do that very soon if some other chance is there to be fought for.

wanna see it before blk m'sia settle down and start plotting that next branch/fruits of the tree haha:lol:
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myhug .... I remembered you were one of the loyal poster in this thread and finally managed to get a position in O&G so get as much experience as you can (go overseas if you have the opportunity). I suspect your line of work involves a lot of hands on and hard work (meaning, dangerous line of work right?) so once you're ready to settle down ... get a girl la and with your experience I'm sure you'll be able to move around in the industry. trust me once you get 5 years in O&G, people couldn't care less about your degree or whatever ... they will only be interested with the skill you acquired on the job.

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post Nov 25 2012, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(mangoman @ Nov 25 2012, 04:34 PM)
I thought kids education is still not that expensive compared to college/university tuition fees. tongue.gif
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My company pays GBP26K a year per child for Boarding School. A lot of the Malaysian here sends their kids to Boarding school in Bahrain/UK/Switzerland/US/Canada. The one I'm looking at will cost me RM125K per year per child .... that will be difficult to swallow if no company is willing to pay for that.
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post Nov 25 2012, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(farid_cool @ Nov 25 2012, 04:42 PM)
So lucky that company support education for your child.
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Part of the package offered but once you take the education assistance, you will be stuck with the company for the remainder of your children's education. Now, if a company in Malaysia is willing to cover some of the expenses, we can sit down and discuss.
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post Nov 26 2012, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(digoil @ Nov 25 2012, 09:18 PM)
Bro azraeil,

Is Aramco need mud specialist/engineer now? Do you know Seah from Shell?

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Heh heh heh .... off course we need mud specialist. Seah got his extension (he's 60 already) so he'll be staying another year (well that was in March so another couple of months) and I suspect he is going to get another extension .... no one to replace people meehhhh ...


Added on November 26, 2012, 12:18 pm
QUOTE(abgkik @ Nov 25 2012, 06:59 PM)
Fuhhh... That is expensive..
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Tell me about it .... some even have to top up because the Boarding school especially in the US costs upwards of USD45K, tu tak campur the nominal monthly allowance lagi tu. Lagi mahal dari University.

myhug, yes boarding school is like Asrama Penuh la .... but not like the one we used to experience la, no Ikan Jaket or Hati Lembu kind of thing in the dewan makan heh heh heh ....


Added on November 26, 2012, 12:20 pm
QUOTE(ch_teo @ Nov 25 2012, 06:18 PM)
1 of our ang moh managers in Abqaiq places his family in Bahrain and works in Abqaiq. For the betterment life of his family, he decides to do so.
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Yeah we have a couple of guys who does that as well. He must have gotten an OOP (Out of Policy) exception. Most brought their family back into Saudi after the unrest in Bahrain last year.

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post Nov 26 2012, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(acgerlok7 @ Nov 26 2012, 07:38 AM)
Wah bro...no companies back in Msia actually offers you expatriate package?  smile.gif Maybe got lyk 80k one month oso damn good di...hahaha, can survive well if staying in not so high cost area lyk in KL
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Passport Malaysia so no expat package .... I've told a lot of companies that if that is the case then they can shove it up their fanny. They spend millions bringing expats to Malaysia but when it comes to local Malaysians, well you just have to send your kids to normal school lah .... screw that.

Contracts ada la offer from 80-120K a month but it will be short term etc and will not be conducive for the family.
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post Nov 26 2012, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(acgerlok7 @ Nov 26 2012, 08:01 AM)
Yeah...seems some companies in Msia still having the "overc ppl more talented" mindset, whereby Malaysians themsevels are very talented...just look at the amount of Malaysians overc lol.
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Yeah, so in the end, the questions that most headhunters will ask is "Do you want to come back to Malaysia?" instead of "We have a package that you will definitely want to review" ... so Kalau nak balik, join la kitaorang ..... pathetic ...
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post Nov 26 2012, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(ThekidZ @ Nov 26 2012, 06:27 AM)
Wanna ask, is giving a 2 months notice before leaving a O&g company a norm practice?
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Most company actually expect a 1 month notice. It depends on the company's policy. I know some major O&G companie that requires 3 month notice.


Added on November 26, 2012, 1:16 pm
QUOTE(k.mark45 @ Nov 26 2012, 08:12 AM)
seems like bro azraeil here becomes a hot stuff. haha
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O&G people are hot stuff heh heh heh ..... if you are a driller than most of the time it is okay for you to take short term (6 months) contract. The package can be up to 150K a month for those kind of contract, for a geologist, not so much .... I mean the demand is still there but not as high as drilling engineers. Drilling engineers, today resign on the spot, next week can get another job already.

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post Nov 26 2012, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(heavenhell @ Nov 26 2012, 08:41 AM)
wow bro , respect ....  thumbup.gif
Btw just wondering when you mention drilling engineers , do you mean those guys on the rig handling the drilling process like operating the machine etc (or you call those guys drillers?) ? or those in the office analysing all the data and making sure the drilling process went smoothly ?
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Drilling engineers are those who will oversee the drilling operations and will be the decision maker in terms of POOH, Wiper Trip or shutting down the well in case of a kick and the one who works with the reservoir engineer/field geologist in terms of deciding to sidtrack the well etc. The high pay is for the responsibility they have on their shoulders. Usually associated with Company Man. There's also the Drilling Foreman, NightMan and Drilling supervisors who are in high demand as well.


Added on November 26, 2012, 3:38 pm
QUOTE(k.mark45 @ Nov 26 2012, 08:23 AM)
hot stuff in terms of exp. IINM u've been into drilling for almost 15 years wasn't it? damn lucky u r. haha
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I'm a Geologist smile.gif

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post Nov 26 2012, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(emhapp @ Nov 26 2012, 01:26 PM)
Bro Azraeil, im currently in final semester in mech eng. Really interested to be a drilling engineer
want to ask, are they only hired person from petroleum eng background for drilling engineer position ?
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Usually they hire from PE background but then again a lot of things can happen so it doesn't hurt to try. To be a drilling engineer you need to know about reservoir pressure (as it affects the drilling operations), the required mud content (oil based mud/water based mud ... where to use these type of mud) and probably some completion knowledge (fracking, acidization etc etc). I am not a drilling engineer but a lot of my friends are so I get to know what they do. I'm not sure if there are any members here who are a drilling engineer, maybe they can answer some of your questions.
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post Nov 26 2012, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(digoil @ Nov 26 2012, 03:42 PM)
So bro,

How to apply? I already search on Aramco website about job opening but cannot find anything. Do they accept mud engineer with experience more than 12 years? By the way, I'm at the Karan Field now enjoying my life here.

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Send your CV to Seah la ..... since you're in Kingdom already, ask some of the Aramco staff there about how to apply also. 12 years experience should be good already. Did you look at http://www.jobsataramco.com ?
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post Nov 27 2012, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(digoil @ Nov 26 2012, 06:46 PM)
Ok bro, will do.

Yes, I did look at http://www.jobsataramco.com but did not find anything for mud specialist. But I will not stop looking.

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I had a look as well. I suspect it is not specifically mentioned as Mud Specialist ... then again I'm not sure. Maybe it's under Drilling or Other Engineering?
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post Nov 28 2012, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(digoil @ Nov 27 2012, 07:14 PM)
No problem. I will not stop looking for it or maybe I will just use the "shortcut" through Seah. But, I still prefer the proper way of applying the job.
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Shortcut through Seah is much better. The company is desperate for people and Seah can give your resume directly to his supervisor.
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post Nov 28 2012, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(emhapp @ Nov 27 2012, 10:37 PM)
Tq bro for the explanation,
I learned that u used to work as Petronas Geologist. I was doing my internship in a department same floor with Petronas geologist. from the chit chat during the internship made me thinkin to take postgrad in PE. what ur opinion bro ?
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It depends on what degree you are currently doing. If you are doing a chemical engineering or mechanical engineering degree then a post grad in PE is a good choice.
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post Dec 4 2012, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ireferno @ Dec 4 2012, 01:00 PM)
I wonder how hard is it to enter?

I wish to apply for the accounts department in Petronas and Exxon
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Seriously, there is no difference if you are in the accounts department of any other company as opposed to an Oil & Gas company.
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post Dec 4 2012, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(khrill @ Dec 4 2012, 02:14 PM)
do you guys have a LinkedIn account?
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As I always say, network netowrk network. So yes, I strongly recommend having a LinkedIn account. A lot of specialised Headhunters raom LinkedIn.
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post Dec 4 2012, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(khrill @ Dec 4 2012, 05:17 PM)
Yes that what I do now to increase the chances to get hired. Get as much as connection without knowing exactly the person that I connect.haha But at least the person are same background as me, plus connect with recruiter and join the group related to employment. Is it correct what I'm doing sir? By the way, may I know your LinkedIn acc? sweat.gif
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smile.gif smile.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif , That would mean I would have to tell you my real name wouldn't it smile.gif

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