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 Demon Hunter V2, Patch 1.05 - More survivabilities!

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post Nov 11 2012, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Nov 11 2012, 11:16 PM)
Pretty sure there's no typos when I keyed in the values. Assumed both gems on 1st Manticore as 100% as well (totals up to 299% cd)

I think it could be my build where it is already heavy-crit damage oriented with low IAS. Not sure which to keep rclxub.gif

Edit: To double check, I even used your weapon as the base for comparison. Still same:

2OS: +5,123.87 DPS
1OS: +5,539.89 DPS

Differences: 416 DPS sweat.gif
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Diminishing returns. Boy i gain 10K DPS with the 2 socket. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Well, I say keep the 2 socket. It looks Badass man. 181 DEX, 99CD and 2 socket again. But then, ur 1 socket very hard to sell la. Easier to sell that 2 socket.

Well, how much does such 2 sockets go on US server? if you can get lots of gold to do upgrades to other parts, maybe is much better to sell. Tell you what, go find AH and see whether you have anything you wanna buy and see whether selling that manticore can get you those stuff. If can, i think you should sell.

but bear in mind, now is -416 DPS if you switch to 2 socket but if you manage to upgrade other parts and keep that 2 socket, it'll slowly become +xxx DPS.

So, get some IAS and CC. Good Luck!

p.s: mine lousy la.
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post Nov 11 2012, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 11 2012, 11:28 PM)
Diminishing returns. Boy i gain 10K DPS with the 2 socket.  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

Well, I say keep the 2 socket. It looks Badass man. 181 DEX, 99CD and 2 socket again. But then, ur 1 socket very hard to sell la. Easier to sell that 2 socket.

Well, how much does such 2 sockets go on US server? if you can get lots of gold to do upgrades to other parts, maybe is much better to sell. Tell you what, go find AH and see whether you have anything you wanna buy and see whether selling that manticore can get you those stuff. If can, i think you should sell.

but bear in mind, now is -416 DPS if you switch to 2 socket but if you manage to upgrade other parts and keep that 2 socket, it'll slowly become +xxx DPS.

So, get some IAS and CC. Good Luck!

p.s: mine lousy la.
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Yeah. Too high CD becomes negative.. sweat.gif

Played around DPS calculator based on your build, seems that keeping 2OS manticore will give me higher DPS in the long run (as I can ditch CD on other parts to get IAS & CC).

Not too sure about 2OS's price, but my 1OS bow can sell about 15m~30m depending on buyers.

This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Nov 11 2012, 11:31 PM
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post Nov 11 2012, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Nov 11 2012, 11:30 PM)
Yeah. Too high CD becomes negative.. sweat.gif

Played around DPS calculator based on your build, seems that keeping 2OS manticore will give me higher DPS in the long run (as I can ditch CD on other parts to get IAS & CC).

Not too sure about 2OS's price, but my 1OS bow can sell about 15m~30m depending on buyers.
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Then that's good. yeah in the long run is gonna benefit you even more.
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post Nov 11 2012, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Nov 11 2012, 11:06 PM)
Just picked this 2 OS Manticore today.

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But not sure to keep & use it or to sell it.. -416 DPS w/o SS but +10k DPS w/ SS when tested on DPS calculator.

Current bow (just bought yesterday):
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Any sifus can tell me which to keep and which to sell? icon_question.gif
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I always prefer a higher base Dps weapon because..
1 - some DH skills don't crit.. lets say sentry
2- normally cheaper than socketed ones
3 - u also need to purchase extra gem for sockets so that increases your overall investment
4 - I favor more consistent dmg because estimating the exact number of hits to kill a creep is useful to me in speed runs
5 - in future an upgrade to any other gear that increases cd will benefit the higher base dmg.

hope that helps
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post Nov 11 2012, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(wlcling @ Nov 11 2012, 11:36 PM)
I always prefer a higher base Dps weapon because..
1 - some DH skills don't crit.. lets say sentry
2- normally cheaper than socketed ones
3 - u also need to purchase extra gem for sockets so that increases your overall investment
4 - I favor more consistent dmg because estimating the exact number of hits to kill a creep is useful to me in speed runs
5 - in future an upgrade to any other gear that increases  cd will benefit the higher base dmg.

hope that helps
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Hmm, good points on the damage consistency and lower overall cost.

Ahh, gotta take some more time to make up my mind. Since the full conversion to suit the 2OS Manticore will cost me a bomb (another 100% gem, changing CD --> IAS, etc.) sweat.gif
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post Nov 11 2012, 11:44 PM

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Wlcling is right on the base damage. Is also why i opted for a 1.2k with 1 socket instead of 1k with 2 socket. but then if u manage to get more IAS and CC, the 2 socket will benefit you more.

C'mon gems on US servers are dirt cheap. I've been reading the threads here.

oh btw, the best way to get CC and AS is through rings.

Well, manticore users gotta increase their AS or u're loosing a lot man.
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post Nov 11 2012, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 11 2012, 11:44 PM)
Wlcling is right on the base damage. Is also why i opted for a 1.2k with 1 socket instead of 1k with 2 socket. but then if u manage to get more IAS and CC, the 2 socket will benefit you more.

C'mon gems on US servers are dirt cheap. I've been reading the threads here.

oh btw, the best way to get CC and AS is through rings.

Well, manticore users gotta increase their AS or u're loosing a lot man.
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Haha, just few days after I started playing again, gem prices skyrocketed again.. sitting at 18m++ now cry.gif

After some consideration I think I'll just sell the 2OS Manticore. Too much cost hassle to switch from one build to another..

Also considering the base damage since my build uses Sentry & Bat - which'll never crit cry.gif

This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Nov 11 2012, 11:54 PM
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post Nov 12 2012, 12:17 AM

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actually I thought manticore users should mainly focus on cc on other gear which would then synergize with a 2 soc manticore... a must-use skill would be bait the trap.

xbow users should focus on cd because it synergizes with archery passive.

as for ias, it would benefit xbows and bows more due to the faster base attk speed of these weapons.
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post Nov 12 2012, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 11 2012, 06:33 PM)
Yeah i'm Malaysian but i have overseas transaction that is much much easier with HSBC. Local banks just complicates the whole process and the waiting time is like days.


Added on November 11, 2012, 6:36 pm

Yeap, SA is not nice. Only nice for ubers. Perfectionist > SA =)

p.s: Congrats morningstar for breaking the 200K DPS barrier.
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thx anyway



use higher dps 1 scoket manticore better tahn 2 socket low dps matnicore
check ur base dmg with calculaotr, eventhough u hav high cric hance , u stil ldeal alot of white dmg



anyawy ur 1 scoket 1.2kdps dex manticore at least 30m

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 11 2012, 11:44 PM)
Wlcling is right on the base damage. Is also why i opted for a 1.2k with 1 socket instead of 1k with 2 socket. but then if u manage to get more IAS and CC, the 2 socket will benefit you more.

C'mon gems on US servers are dirt cheap. I've been reading the threads here.

oh btw, the best way to get CC and AS is through rings.

Well, manticore users gotta increase their AS or u're loosing a lot man.
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18M for a radiant star emerald is cheap?
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post Nov 12 2012, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(wlcling @ Nov 12 2012, 12:17 AM)
actually I thought manticore users should mainly focus on cc on other gear which would then synergize with a 2 soc manticore... a must-use skill would be bait the trap.

xbow users should focus on cd because it synergizes with archery passive.

as for ias, it would benefit xbows and bows more due to the faster base attk speed of these weapons.
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I don't agree. More IAS means faster hatred regen, crit, procs and also more damage done within the shortest possible time. Imagine a static DH with high IAS, before he or she moves again, a fast shooting one might have able to launch 3 shots compared to the 2 of a slow one.

I think is like improving your weakest part.

and besides with higher AS, you can stutter step much much better.

So I won't say a manticore user should focus on CD instead of AS.


Added on November 12, 2012, 12:46 am
QUOTE(edge85 @ Nov 12 2012, 12:30 AM)
18M for a radiant star emerald is cheap?
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I didn't know is 18mil already. Last time I see the gem thread say very cheap.

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post Nov 12 2012, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Nov 11 2012, 11:06 PM)
Just picked this 2 OS Manticore today.

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But not sure to keep & use it or to sell it.. -416 DPS w/o SS but +10k DPS w/ SS when tested on DPS calculator.

Current bow (just bought yesterday):
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Any sifus can tell me which to keep and which to sell? icon_question.gif
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hmm.gif both bow better than mine.

going sell how much?
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post Nov 12 2012, 01:42 AM

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wow can see all lyn DH use manticore..lol
am i the only one use windforce.. biggrin.gif

prefer 2hbow then 2hxbow..
pew,pew,pew run rather then
pew....,pew....pew....run....
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post Nov 12 2012, 02:05 AM

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QUOTE(edge85 @ Nov 12 2012, 12:30 AM)
18M for a radiant star emerald is cheap?
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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 12 2012, 12:45 AM)
I didn't know is 18mil already. Last time I see the gem thread say very cheap.
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Gem price skyrocketed just last week+ ago.

http://www.d3rmt.com/auction-house/item/ra...emerald/usgold/

QUOTE(Lau Pan @ Nov 12 2012, 01:04 AM)
hmm.gif both bow better than mine.

going sell how much?
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I'm not really sure yet, maybe will just let people bid from the start if no one buyout at my ridiculous price lol.

Nevermind that, someone bought it out at 45m.

This post has been edited by polarzbearz: Nov 12 2012, 03:42 AM
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post Nov 12 2012, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(lksing78 @ Nov 12 2012, 01:42 AM)
wow can see all lyn DH use manticore..lol
am i the only one use windforce.. biggrin.gif

prefer 2hbow then 2hxbow..
pew,pew,pew run rather then
pew....,pew....pew....run....
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I've to say your dh must be an agile one.
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post Nov 12 2012, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Nov 12 2012, 11:13 AM)
I've to say your dh must be an agile one.
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something like that lah
since i only farm mp1... laugh.gif
ops doodleman style rclxms.gif

if farm uber wit friend..i use nat set..but only up to mp7. sweat.gif

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post Nov 12 2012, 02:15 PM

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top 5 dps got 4 is wiz ><""
http://www.diabloprogress.com/rating.stat_dps_unbuffed
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post Nov 12 2012, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(lksing78 @ Nov 12 2012, 01:42 AM)
wow can see all lyn DH use manticore..lol
am i the only one use windforce.. biggrin.gif

prefer 2hbow then 2hxbow..
pew,pew,pew run rather then
pew....,pew....pew....run....
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Me also favours to 2hbow, but then I don't have windforce unsure.gif
But then...

What is the advantage of 2h bow vs 1h bow? higher dps >1kdps? 1h bow faster att spd...
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post Nov 12 2012, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Lau Pan @ Nov 12 2012, 02:15 PM)
Nooooooo.. The DH was first before this.
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post Nov 12 2012, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(2890 @ Nov 12 2012, 02:24 PM)
Nooooooo.. The DH was first before this.
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i think the DH eq much more expensive than number 1 wiz...

DH bow nearly perfec but wiz weapon still got spec to improve ><""
bb number 1

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