In terms of specs, only the processor and graphics on the L920 lose to iPhone 5. That is only important if you are a benchie geek, where points matter above all else.

Also, iPhone 5 is more light weight, around 72g lighter than L920.

L920 on the other hand has superb camera, wireless charging, NFC, super sensitive screen, higher-than-retina display and clear black technology.

So, make your call

Well, just to correct you on certain term, processor is often called CPU, not PSU. CPU stands for Central Processing Unit (processor). PSU stands for Power Supply Unit, often seen in desktop PCs to convert AC voltage to DC to power your rig.

I don't think you'll even feel the lagginess. While having a bloody fast processor may seem like a good thing, in reality it really isn't. A faster processor requires more power, thereby killing your battery. On the other hand, L920 is equipped with a Snapdragon S4 dual core 28nm (if I'm not mistaken). This is the second generation of S4, with higher transistor count, thereby reducing "leakages". I'm not E&E engineer, this is the max I can tell you without having to go through books. On top of that, since S4 itself is a chipset (processor + board + SoC), I believe there's more to it than just a faster processor. Perhaps better 4G connectivity? I'm not too sure.

On top of that, WP as an operating system itself is very much optimized to run efficiently. If you're the privileged few who have the chance to run Windows 8 RTM, you'll know what I mean. And since they share the same Kernel, WP8 will most likely be smooth as silk as Windows 8.

We can also make a comparison. Bring an iPhone 3GS with iOS 6 and compare it side by side with any WP7 phones. Why iOS 6? It's simply because Apple allows them to upgrade which means that they are certified to run. So we can compare how efficient both platforms are. Although it's not much of an indication, at least it is something to look forward to.

As for apps, you don't have to worry. As of this writing, many major game developers are already porting their games to WP8. Unity has agreed to bring their engine over. I foresee more will follow suit. The main reason WP7 lacked apps was because some idiots at Microsoft thought that it'd be a good idea to implement a walled garden. No doubt, in terms of protecting the operating system, it's a good approach. But look at where it got them? WP8 will change all these with native code access, meaning most developers who have developed their apps using native code (C++) on other platforms will then be able to effortlessly bring their apps over with just a few minor tweaks.

If you're in for games, you don't have to worry. WP8 also offers a subset of direct X 9. That means, even PC / Xbox game developers will be able to jump onto WP8 bandwagon with little to no learning curve.

To me, wireless charging is Nokia's approach to youngsters. It gives youths the "Me first" factor. It's cool to be able to charge your phone without cable, don't you think? I can even show off and say, heck, I can place my phone here and it starts charging. Can yours do it? No? iPhone sucks. Pointless feature to me, but hey, I don't call shots.

Hope it clears up for you.

I beg to differ. While what you said may have some merits, especially for number 4 and 5, it's still the least useful features among all. It's also because of wireless charging that caused L920's weight to skyrocket.

As for number 1, unfortunately, this is not the States. We won't be seeing this here in Malaysia until it's widely adopted as a standard. As it stands, Qi is relatively new. So until it's proven, they won't be widely available.

2. I've never experienced that. Maybe you've done that a lot more times than I did, so can't argue there.

3. It's yet to be seen. I'm not sure if it can provide enough power to charge multiple devices at the same time. I'll keep this in view.

It will most likely function like your TV. When it is idle, it will draw only 5W while on load, it can draw up to 150W, according to Qi specs

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Added on October 1, 2012, 11:01 pmActually, I'm quite skeptical about the Budget 2013. Did Najib say any smartphones? Or is it only restricted to "cronies"? CSL maybe? Or 1Malaysia Phone?

This post has been edited by jonchai: Oct 1 2012, 11:01 PM

It's a silicon cover

Let me give you an example.

There are 1 million iPhone 5 users in group A and 1 million Lumia 920 users in group B.

The one million iPhone 5 users hold exactly the same iPhone 5 as everyone else, they can have any colors as long as it is black.

The other one million Lumia 920 users, each hold a Lumia 920. There are 5 colors announced. Black, White, Metallic Gray, Red and Yellow (my favourite). Now, that means of the one million Lumia 920 users, each 200,000 users (on average) hold one colour.

Back to you, which would make you feel more unique? Same black? Or same phone with more varieties?

And to differentiate yourself further, there are close to 14 accent colors (plus minus, can't be exact, it depends on vendors) in WP8 for you to choose. You and I may hold a yellow Lumia 920 but my Accent is yellow, yours could be red. That's how different we are.

Again, do you feel more unique now?

So to answer your question, yes, color is indeed a USP.

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Added on October 4, 2012, 2:25 pmWell, you just saw .... and replied

This post has been edited by jonchai: Oct 4 2012, 02:25 PM

So, Nokia has dropped a bombshell. Lumia 920 Cyan is now available at AT&T, exclusively. They probably scrapped metalic gray.

Because it's not exactly launched yet? Wait for AT&T's announcement.

I meant price. Still need to wait for further announcement. There's an event hosted by AT&T later (in about 6 hours), hopefully they'll announce both the contract price and outright selling price.

How is that so? People are only complaining because they want to know the price here and now. But WP8 hasn't even launched yet. You can't get a single WP8 phone in the market, so how exactly are they screwing up?

HTC has only announced the price, but it's still not available. So is Samsung and anyone else. I'd agree with you if HTC's phones are already available for sale, but they are not. Such secrecy is still warranted.

If you're comparing with an iPhone 5 (price and availability announced), then save it. WP8 itself isn't even launched yet, until Oct 28 that is.

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Added on October 5, 2012, 9:48 amThat's what they did with Lumia 610 and later a Lumia 510.

Because of Lumia 610 (or a variant of it), WP7's sales in China is greater than iOS.

This post has been edited by jonchai: Oct 5 2012, 09:48 AM

How is contest fake? Enlighten me.

Only one video was found to be fake in the ads. And to be fair, its camera feature is indeed very close to what was shown in the ad, granted I haven't had my hands on one, but based on several hands on tests that reviewers have done, that's the conclusion they came up with.

Fail presentations? If you're looking for Steve Jobs style presentation, then sorry to disappoint. They may have sucky presenters, but I was impressed by the features they announced. So I wouldn't call it a fail.

Bashing others to advertise is failed marketing? I think you should attend (or re-attend) Marketing 101. Samsung did the same. So did Apple with Mac vs PC. There's nothing wrong with that. No deception, no lies.

Which is why I said, IF. People over on Engadget brought up the topic of Lumia 920 vs iPhone 5 where the latter has already announced the general availability and price while the former has announced nothing until yesterday. People complained about Nokia not announcing the price soon enough and that they'd go Apple in that case.

So there you go.

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Added on October 5, 2012, 10:08 amThere are plenty of potential, especially in 3rd world markets. If Nokia is able to replace every Symbian model in the market with a WP model, then it's an instant win. Apple / Samsung wouldn't even come close to that.

This post has been edited by jonchai: Oct 5 2012, 10:08 AM

It's not an argument I'm trying to make. If I want to start one I wouldn't even bother asking you to enlighten me.

That's why I want to know, what contests are you referring to? The speed challenge that Microsoft started? Or something else?

Bashing in ads is a norm, in case you didn't realize. It's much more effective that way. Remember the potong ads by P1? How many did the ads convince to change? That's why I said, with no lies / deception, it's all fair.

I didn't say it was good, I only said I wouldn't call it a fail. I even agreed that the presenters sucked.

Hmm, not aware of it. I don't even have their FB

These models won't be available at our shores, I believe.

We'll only be seeing 820 and 920. It's restricted to US, due to the "exclusive" deals Nokia has with carriers.

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Added on October 10, 2012, 10:21 amIf I'm not mistaken, the Lumia 810 doesn't come with wireless charging, hence the lighter weight. Also, it won't be able to switch covers like the 820. This is the major difference between the 2.

This post has been edited by jonchai: Oct 10 2012, 10:22 AM

Lumia 810 looks like a brick honestly

Yeap. I just saw that too.

It looks like a brick

My prediction for 920 is between RM1,899 to RM2,099. For 820 / 810, it'd be between RM1,499 to RM1,699.

A bit impossible for the 820 to go lower, because 800 started out in that range. Well, it's only my prediction. I could be wrong

Well, UK is affected by VAT, which should see it adjust for about ~20%. Also we can't make judgement based on certain accessories. Clove is probably betting on people to actually buy those along with their phone for "convenience". This is cross selling at its finest

Unless someone is really free enough to compare item by item, we wouldn't know

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Added on October 13, 2012, 7:01 pmFor Windows? You'll never need to worry about ecosystem, unless you're on a Mac

Google's ecosystem pales in comparison against Microsoft's. Even Apple's is far behind, if ecosystem is what you care about.

This post has been edited by jonchai: Oct 13 2012, 07:01 PM

Screw up? Not a chance. An ecosystem shouldn't only be looked at one angle. WP7 may not have picked off like it was intended to be, but an ecosystem is far more than that.

An ecosystem is comprised of many things, from cloud to home entertainment, all tightly integrated together, through your Microsoft Account (previously known as Windows Live ID). There are too many things to cover here, I'll skip. I've explained it once in one of these forums before. If I can find it, I'll update here. Otherwise, let's leave it as that

At a business point of view, it'd be stupid not to pick Microsoft. Even RIM pales in comparison in the enterprise sector now, with MSFT's purchase of Yammer and partnership with Good Technologies. On top of that, there's Skype thrown into the mix, and its very own Lync & Exchange. Also, Office 365.