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davidke20
post Aug 21 2012, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Aug 21 2012, 04:57 PM)
Hi agin...
Me juz chk-ed Tyre Calculator...
Link here ==> http://www.alloywheels.com/Tyre_Calculator

Advice is 2try 2keep radius difference within +/- 2.5%.

Differences betwwen 195/50R15 and 195/55R15 are :

For 195/55R15 :

Diff of 3.43%.
Diameter +20mm
Circumference +62mm

At 70kph, Speedometer wld be showing 72.40kph.

Your choice/decision....as alwaz... rolleyes.gif
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doh.gif wronglar ah hia. Supposedly when your speedo shows 70kph, whilst you're actually travelling at 72.4kph lar. This is also why after upgraded tayar size would have loss some mileage. But if you calculate base on travelled distance compare to prior tayar change, they're more or less the same icon_idea.gif
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post Aug 21 2012, 07:04 PM

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go r3ap3rs haus do wut wor blink.gif
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post Aug 21 2012, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(FreakyRookie @ Aug 21 2012, 07:26 PM)
Who using 15" rim? FC large difference with 14" rim's FC?
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QUOTE(tctham @ Aug 21 2012, 07:28 PM)
i'm kinda lost on the tire part.. so if i now stock on everything, should i change to davidke's tire settings? Would it offer better FC, better stability/handling and comfort? Sorry i noob, need sifu(s) explain sad.gif
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On a 15" rim, if tyres is 50 series, your FC may not have any changes because the tyre's diameter remains. However, the width is 195, which will be slightly wider than the 14" stock. So, you may create more friction + better handling but slightly compromise in FC(*not quite noticeable).

I upgraded from 13" steel rim directly to 15", therefore I can really felt the total drag down of power output. From 14 to 15 wouldn't feel much different I think. So, up to you guys what you want. I like 55 series just because I want it to be more comfortable. On 55 series tyre, because the diameter is larger than 50 series, and therefore the wheel turn less round so your mileage record will slightly drop a little(means it will looks like increased FC). However, if you're those kind of people who count on how many days pump petrol once, you probably won't feel any difference at all.


Added on August 21, 2012, 8:04 pm
QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Aug 21 2012, 07:36 PM)
hmm.gif mind to explain why only lights up during parking lights? what are the functions..
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This 1 I can explain rolleyes.gif Bro Z1 is the uncle that still have a crush with the ole gaga 20 years ago, that has a parking lamp beneath the Plotong Logo brows.gif

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post Aug 21 2012, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(nickzkuso @ Aug 21 2012, 08:26 PM)
so what is the better way to avoid the tyre kena the wheel arc when carry heavy load or full turn?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Not only no sagat.... can off road!
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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Aug 21 2012, 08:33 PM)
spring buffer ? that worked for me...
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diu lei! you use HLA how to sagat. Even if I put buffer on standard spring still sagat kao kao when you're in the car sweat.gif
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post Aug 21 2012, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 21 2012, 08:24 PM)
Uh...nope.

It's already stiff as it is, you wanna change to stiffer ah? you probably dowan to lower it as well because you will need to make the springs and abs even more stiffer so you won't sagat....Unless you wanna make it taller like Unker's car  hmm.gif
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AGAIN!!! Mirror Mirror on the wall, who's the bugger tallest among them all?!
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davidke20
post Aug 21 2012, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Aug 21 2012, 11:09 PM)
was here, read that.
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nod.gif A little too tall bro, please do help to ask tomorrow ya notworthy.gif
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post Aug 22 2012, 12:24 AM

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post Aug 22 2012, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2012, 12:33 AM)
I like to think the Gaga is a wee bit more exciting to drive than a Meevee  hmm.gif
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Not even a Satey Neo survive that laugh.gif Our local top range hot hatch race car doh.gif

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post Aug 22 2012, 06:16 AM

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QUOTE(JackX @ Aug 22 2012, 12:52 AM)
It was from the 13" steel rims...

Bought my rim second hand long time ago for RM2.2k (or somewhere around this price). Tyres was bought at RM220 per piece quite a while back too. For tyres, centre cone, alignment, etc, total spent about RM1k.
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blink.gif What rim wor? R3?
blink.gif blink.gif What tyres wor?
blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif What kinda centre cone/alignment they did wor?

Total spending of RM4080 for 2nd hen rim + tyres + alignment work shocking.gif Mine all in RM800 nia blush.gif

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post Aug 22 2012, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Aug 22 2012, 08:21 AM)
ps. Wonder if springs & shocks can handle the xtra weight of 15" rims shod with 195/50R15? Also effects on wheel bearings & other suspension stuff? hmm.gif
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Boss, depending on what rim u using. Extra/under offset may definitely hurt the suspension. Extra offset, steering rack senang pecah. Under offset, lower arm bushing fast wear off.

Other than that, if your tayar+rim almost same weight, no difference than standard in wear and tear. However, if weight increased by 5kg/side, significant increase in wear & tear is applied on absorbers/wheel bearing/bushings/FC. Although I say significat, you probably hard to notice it also, as an average pessenger's weight about 60kg, devide by 4 donuts you already increased 15kg/wheel, what is 5kg to the foot work then?

Last but not least, excess tayar width not only bring handling, side effect is higher FC/tayar more expansive and also increased in footwork maintenance sweat.gif
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post Aug 22 2012, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(Noobdao @ Aug 22 2012, 08:54 AM)
I asked the tayar shop owner d, he said that 185/60/ R14 and 195/50/ R15 the different not so much...Bcoz as what u all see in this link:

http://www.alloywheels.com/Tyre_Calculator

The different is only -0.33%.....So he decided no need to upgrade unless u upgrade to 195/55/ R15.....
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Some oldskol tayar shop like my father's buddy type, they strongly against upgrade tayar size for some reason, like help you save money, troubleshooting and also dun want u later go back complain FC hai and stuff.

However, as a pahlawan berdarah panas, extra 10mm tayar width does increase much more grip! The best tayar I had was a set of imported ADVAN AD01 195/55R14 on my Iswaga! Those tyres cornering/braking like a boss! Sad thing is, they no longer produce those size anymore. Currently using Falken ZE522 195/55R15 on my GaGa, I dun even wanna compare it with the old M3!

I heard DUCARO is much better than those M3. So, it all depends on what you're looking for. More grips? More chantekness? Definitely wider tyres provide a better play ground. 195/50R15 does not change much in diameter, but each side 10mm will give you better grip. Tyre wall height is regardless, but generally 55 series provide more comfortness compare to 50 series. These are my opinion icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 22 2012, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(mieza @ Aug 22 2012, 09:40 AM)
Morning  biggrin.gif

I selling my tyres Silverstone M5.. Really want to upgrade for my own safety not for speeding  unsure.gif  icon_question.gif

With budget below RM200 which tyre should I get :

195/50R15
Bridgestone MY01 - RM175 Hin Leong (Dec 11)
Falken ZE-912 - RM145 Hin Leong (Jan 12)
Goodyear Assurance - RM198 Hin Leong (Dec 11)
Bridgestone Sports Tourer - RM178 (Lelong)
Kumho - (dunno what price)

Suddenly I realize that not many option for 50 profile.. Thanks..

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You asked opinion at wrong place brows.gif I'm a hepi Falkener thumbup.gif I vote for ZE912 icon_idea.gif
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post Aug 22 2012, 12:33 PM

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Going to kemuning toyo tayar, anybody TT?
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post Aug 22 2012, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(mieza @ Aug 22 2012, 01:25 PM)
I'm at kemuning working.. can ask for tyre price? Neuton NT8000?


Added on August 22, 2012, 1:34 pmwhere is that place? cannot find on google map..
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Later go ask. Locate at Jalan Bukit Kemuning, behind Giant there middle tayar shop, got huge signboard TOYO TYRE. Small signboard say TEOH BROTHER TYRE SERVICES.
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post Aug 22 2012, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Aug 22 2012, 02:42 PM)
I found better situ liaoo... Just finish kaotim my steering lari aside problem.
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Where? Share share abit lar laugh.gif bulk bulk laugh.gif
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post Aug 22 2012, 03:33 PM

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To Mieza,

Cnie talak juai Nexen, kina mau ciali tempak laen.
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post Aug 22 2012, 05:26 PM

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A short survey. How many of you already NITRO your tyres? If you did, how much it cost? Quick feedback is much appreciated notworthy.gif
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post Aug 22 2012, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(r3apers @ Aug 22 2012, 05:31 PM)
how bz is he??
Nitrogen gas? for the past 2 year been using that on my fish.. now dont have... for the past the price is 1st pump RM5/donut... refill RM2/donut... now dunno wats the cost...
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Thanks for feed back. So its roughly RM5/donut

QUOTE(zeone @ Aug 22 2012, 05:32 PM)
Nitrogen gas?
Frankly, dun waste yr $$$, Bro....
Used for my ole ride...
Not really got good benefits except longer tyre pressure chks/fill up needed...

Actually normal air oledi 70% Nitro....and the Nitro the shop machine provides is abt 90 or so % Nitro nia.
Should show %age on machine...
Depends on how efficient is the chemical they got in the machine at that point in time to remove the oxygen/CO2 from the air.... tongue.gif
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post Aug 22 2012, 08:16 PM

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NITROGEN TYRE FILLING BULK


Unker Dave: Have you ever find your Schrader valve moist/wet after you inflate/deflate your tyres?
Streetricer: Dude! There's WATER inside my tyres!!!!

D: Have you ever wonder where does the water came from?
S: Dude! I ran over a puddle!!!!

D: If water can go in your tyre, the air inside your tyre is not pressurized.
S: hmm.gif

D: Its the inflator, that brings along moist when pressurized your tyres!
S: WTF?! How did that happened?!

D: Because most air compressor didn't fit with moist separator.
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D(continued): Where do you fill up your tyres? Do you need to pay for COMPRESSED AIR? Do you have their maintenance record? Have you seen what is inside a compressor tank? Lots of rust! When one depressurized it, terbalik the tong and this is what happen:
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S: W T F .... shocking.gif

D: Don't worry, fill it up with Nitrogen. It's more stable and waterless. If you're gonna change new tyres already, please negotiate with your tukang tayar and hope he/she give it to you for free. Those who missed the chance, this is an opportunity to get it with slightly cheaper price.

This is no magic which can make your car save fuel. This is no magic which can help your car maintain tyre pressure forever and ever. From what I understand and benefited previously, nitrogen gas is VERY stable compare to normal compressed air. You ask me how much does it help? Sorry I don't feel much different even I used it for sometime already. One should understand, the air we're breathing now already contain 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxigen and 1% other gasses. So, why bother to fill up with pure Nitrogen(if not, almost pure, need atleast 95% purity to have the benefit). Pure nitrogen has been used to inflate critical tire applications for years, primarily because it doesn't support moisture or combustion. These include racing tires (IndyCar, Formula 1, NASCAR), aircraft tires (commercial and military) and heavy-duty equipment tires (earthmovers and mining equipment). The challenge facing nitrogen inflation hasn't been its application, it's been its method of supply and cost. Nitrogen molecules have a more difficult time escaping through the microscopic spaces that exist between a tire's rubber molecules. Nitrogen is a "slow" inactive gas labeled as an inert gas due to its nonreactive nature with many materials. Oxygen on the other hand is a "fast" active gas that reacts with many materials called "oxidation." Additionally nitrogen is a dry gas that doesn't support moisture while oxygen combined with hydrogen makes water (H2O).

Many other hydrogen hype also claims corrosion to the steel belt of tyres and steel rims. But that's not my concern you know that. In Malaysia kinda driving, before the water start to eat up rubber and damaging the steel belt, I already burnt out my tyre like the other day some of you withness outside 3MAX factory icon_idea.gif I'm more worried as I had experienced previously 1 of my car having trouble with balancing for months couldn't figure what's wrong with it. In the end, I went for tyre change, I think we managed to squeeze up more than a litre of water from all the donuts! How to save petrol?! How to wheel balancing?! shakehead.gif

BULK NITROGEN FILL UP AT DISCOUNTED PRICE

Usual price: RM5/donut
Bulk price: RM15/car(4 donuts, still trying to negotiate for spare tyre)
Minimum purchase: 5 cars
COD: Jalan Bukit Kemuning, KLANG. TEOH BROTHERS TOYO TYRE SERVICES(behind Giant)
Suggested COD date: 1st September, 2012 (Saturday)
Bulk closing date: MERDEKA

Extra advantage: Ah Hee from TOYO TYRE promised, participants can go back refill nitrogen anytime for FREE! Whilst some of the tyre shop will charge atleast RM1/tyre.

Very affordable MOD!

Replace normal compressed air with high purity nitrogen is modification rite tongue.gif

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More reading about Nitrogen tyres:
Nitrogen worshiper
Rant about it
You read it, you do the math.

Disclaimer: I'm not affiliate to any of these supplier, neither do I make a single cent of profit from the bulk purchase. I want some discount and share with my friends about affordable things I do to my car. Inhaling pure (or high density/concentration) nitrogen may cause decease/disease, some reading material available here.
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post Aug 22 2012, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 22 2012, 08:26 PM)
Hmm...I think I'll pass on this.

If it's nearer I might consider it, but going all the way to Kemuning just to fill up my donuts is a bit extreme tongue.gif

Tol and Petrol not cheapĀ  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(zeone @ Aug 22 2012, 08:33 PM)
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My view? Go get it!! It's juz a ONE-TIME payment! Esp if the shop is easily accessible by yr ride...

ps. Me gave up using Nitro cos of poor availabilty of shops that hv that machine... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Aug 22 2012, 08:38 PM)
thanks alot bro david for getting this for us ! but sorry to say i`ll have to pass on this too...
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No problem guys. I already thought of that, for dares is even worse to take 4x RM2.20 toll + 40km trip just to save up 5 bucks. I was hoping those who stay near shah alam/klang area would take an opportunity. Those who can't make it to TEOH BROTHERS are also encouraged to do it at your local tyre shop since it's not very expansive. Share my opinion nia. If until Merdeka also no other participants, I'll go by myself with no discount lor what to do icon_rolleyes.gif

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