I am not sure how many people out there are concerning the environment that we are dwelling. As an environmental-lover, I think it is mandatory to evoke awareness among body-builders around us.

The Environmental Impact of a Meat-Based Diet
A Plant Based Diet For Optimum Nutrition
Reducing the Environmental Impact of Dietary Choice: Perspectives from a Behavioural and Social Change Approach

The three websites published above are all related to health/environmental impact on increasing trend of animal flesh consumption.

I summarized them in few bullet points:
1. Raise of massive livestock in a confined spaces: requires tons of waters to raise the animals and their feeds, limited activity space results to fatter livestock, energy required to run the (livestock) factory.
2. Contamination of animal flesh due to source of foods and drinks.
3. Increased risk of cardiovascular disease and certain cancers for animal flesh consumer

This issue is essentially important to raise up here, since most of us are mild to heavy meat consumer as it deemed to aid for muscle gain/recovery.

Please do not shy to share your view, or other side of the story.
It is great great important to find a equilibrium point for a sustainability environment, at least we are contributing toward coming generation.

www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=animals

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=enviro

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=eatme

www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sponsor

The author seemed annoyed to have a vegetarian friend or refrained from taking animal flesh by the parents, just my opinion.

His words sounded too extreme for me, at least he should filtered out the bad words before publishing. However, he somehow got his point right to a certain extent, but I wouldn't agree all of them.
For instance, he outlined the three main types of vegetarian, and none of them suit me.
Maybe he got some real bad-ass friends in his life that keep persuading or even warn him not to eat meat at all? For me, I usually prepare all of the meal by myself (protein shake, finger food - fruits, nuts), so that it will not bring any trouble for eating out with my friends.
Maybe we are doing something really bad to the environment, but at least the author must understand the true circle-of-life before expressing those feeling. We dominate, we kill, we do whatever we wanted to do, same things go to other species if they have the chance to rule the world. But what is the point when we overdo it and ruin the whole world?

This thread is not calling everybody to get rid of animal fleshes in their life, but to think over again, "is that necessary to put it into your mouth?yes, maybe not that amount?". After we died, what we left behind are merely body and intelligence.

Thank you for sharing the articles, darklight!

Let me put it this way. Crudely but to the point. No offense intended. Bodybuilders dont give a f*** whether you go vegetarian and stay small or not. Lol. It is your right Have fun.

hehe, but if you are looking for serious gain, it can be done with vegan diet too.

I think it truly changed my life. By increasing fruits and veges intake, I feel better, stronger, and smarter (seriously! More focused on study).

Yep, have fun!

This post has been edited by yan99033: Aug 13 2012, 08:26 PM

No it cannot. Period. You are defying the laws of nature. The prey exists to be eaten by the hunter. Men are meant to eat animal flesh. Animal protein will infinitely be superior to vegetable protein no matter how much you mix and match your grasses to complete an amino acid profile. Your statement is a joke when you try to associate serious gain = vegan diet.



I have a great idea. You try posting your suggestion to bb.com, especially the IFBB Pro section. Meanwhile, have some animal flesh:-

you need massive land and jungle clearing to plant more veges to feed more vegans. Climate changes will wreck havoc to the costs.

Contamination of plants via chemicals will also kill you.

Vegetables will also give you cardio disease.

if you're a vegan and when you go down on your wife, does this nullify your vege diet?

okay, this wins. /thread

Negative. Unless you are backed up with solid evidences.

If you are referring to the references provided in 1st thread, you will see how MASSIVE amount of animal feed needed to grow just to feed the animals and let them grow, and not to mention that environmental impact on maintaining the livestock farm.

Me and my wife are doing greatly with vegan diet!

To darklight:
my bad

But I must admit that I am a kind-hearted creature...

I am tempted to ask with happy4eva's post in my mind but.....

not taking sides here but your argument on how it impact the environment is invalid(as both source has its pro & cons)

startin from the 1st point, vegetation requires land AND it depletes the fertility of the land over each reaping.

2nd point, contamination? go to ANY farm that is not organic, they are spraying pesticides etc etc (insert whatever brand u want) on your f***ing vege like its water so that you get that BEAUTIFUL leaf on your vege to consume.

cardio that one idk lah, but all i know, living 2 years in the temple, ive seen enough obese vegetarian to know that if you dont work your ass off what you have eaten, you will also grow fat.

and SINCE you STRESSED on the links you provided, let me notify you the keywords you missed out that simply bites you back in your vege arse which was gotten from the exact link itself.

http://www.vegan-nutritionista.com/vegan-protein.html

comparatively, the amount of resources pooled to EXTRACT ALL of these proteins just to replace a simple meat protein alone, how is that COST EFFECTIVE from your point of view?

ive got all day, pls give me a constructive answer and not post links for me to read. even if you want to copy paste, give me the keyword and link, im very interested to hear your views on the 1st point, 2nd point and finally the last, we'll start with the 1st point

fox eats rabbit => fox poops into the soil => the living soil then absorbs the poop(which includes the rabbit) => fruit and vegetable plants absorb that exact same soil to grow => humans eat those same fruits and vegetables

This process happens EVERYWHERE in nature.

If we didn’t eat animals, they would quickly overpopulate the planet and most likely starve to death.”

The population of domesticated farm animals in the USA in 2008 is estimated roughly at around 20 billion. This figure is quite small since the actual number of animals slaughtered for food for the US was 10,270,019,000 (that’s: ten billion, two hundred seventy million, nineteen thousand animals).

What this means is farm animals outnumber human beings by a 65 to 1 ratio in the USA.

As it may appear from these statistics, non-human animal populations seem to already be vastly out of control. You might think that to kill these animals would be the best solution since they are already consuming 80% of our corn grown in this country and 60 billion pounds of our soy each year, but unfortunately no matter how many animals Americans kill and eat each year, there continues to be more of them.

The reason for this is quite simple. Animal farmers have intensive breeding operations where they artificially inseminate as many female animals as possible to create even more offspring than the year before. Without giant egg hatcheries and other artificial forms of breeding, animals would never have any hope of reaching, let alone sustaining, current populations.

As far as animals suffering from starvation due to over population goes, the amount of grains and other crops consumed by US livestock is enough to feed 800 million human (animals) who are currently starving to death worldwide.

The argument against a vegan lifestyle stated above could also be reworded to read as “But if we didn’t slit the throats of animals and eat their flesh, they might die horrible deaths.”

If we didn’t milk cows, their udders would explode and they would die!Ffarmers want to take milk from a cow who is producing it, they steal her newborn calf from her and instead hook her up to milking machines that roughly simulate the nursing of calves. If a farmer forgets or neglects to milk cows who have had their babies taken from them, the cows will moo their distress from the incredible discomfort. Poor cows!!

So you grow veges massively, no need land for it right? it grows right out of thin air?


If you slurp slurp on her vaginal fluids, and she liam liam on your semen, does it makes you both a non-vegans?

Besides, when your tongue's frolicking hers, there's an exchange of mammalian fluids, does it not make you both a non-vegans?

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Aug 13 2012, 09:38 PM

As a result, whatever we do to the earth, mother nature has the ability to counteract in order to reach a balance point, am I right?
Just as illustrated in Taoism Philosophy, yin-yang are both occur concurrently.

In other word:

me (kind-hearted) VS darklight (aggressive killer)

LOL!

---

Added on August 13, 2012, 9:49 pmNo offence, but I think you should learn how to respect others before posting. tq

This post has been edited by yan99033: Aug 13 2012, 09:49 PM

I know you are kidding but are you sure I am an aggressive killer? Do you actually know what I do in real life?

ps dont worry about happy4eva. He`s a good guy. You just need to get used to his nature.

bro.... is this the MJ curry house u usually eat in? really wanna try it someday... noway im goin vegan after looking at that photo... haha

edit

or izzit kanna?

This post has been edited by justin_5: Aug 13 2012, 10:19 PM

Why should it be offensive? You're still a kid?

Otherwise, why cant you answer the question?

Ingesting of bodily fluids between two humans. Does it nullify your stance as a vegan?

Go on and answer it please instead of feeling sheepish and childish.

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Aug 13 2012, 10:22 PM

you are a doctor, right? not sure but i read from somewhere else.


to happy4ever,

my answer is No. hope it clears your bewilderment.

eyyy.... where can like that one.... u drink human bodily fluids is a NO.... then drink animal fluids oso no lo...

but then... izzit u become vegan not becoz u dun like meat... is u dun like killing?

if u say u dowan kill animal then u become vegan then i can understand the part about human fluids...

but then isnt anything that breathes is a living organism? plants breath too... so.... haha

just messin with ya bro... everyone can have their own preference... just dont be too proud of ur preference and start thinking other people should follow coz ur preference is the right one... im not saying ur saying that though.... haha