I am not sure how many people out there are concerning the environment that we are dwelling. As an environmental-lover, I think it is mandatory to evoke awareness among body-builders around us.

The Environmental Impact of a Meat-Based Diet
A Plant Based Diet For Optimum Nutrition
Reducing the Environmental Impact of Dietary Choice: Perspectives from a Behavioural and Social Change Approach

The three websites published above are all related to health/environmental impact on increasing trend of animal flesh consumption.

I summarized them in few bullet points:
1. Raise of massive livestock in a confined spaces: requires tons of waters to raise the animals and their feeds, limited activity space results to fatter livestock, energy required to run the (livestock) factory.
2. Contamination of animal flesh due to source of foods and drinks.
3. Increased risk of cardiovascular disease and certain cancers for animal flesh consumer

This issue is essentially important to raise up here, since most of us are mild to heavy meat consumer as it deemed to aid for muscle gain/recovery.

Please do not shy to share your view, or other side of the story.
It is great great important to find a equilibrium point for a sustainability environment, at least we are contributing toward coming generation.

The author seemed annoyed to have a vegetarian friend or refrained from taking animal flesh by the parents, just my opinion.

His words sounded too extreme for me, at least he should filtered out the bad words before publishing. However, he somehow got his point right to a certain extent, but I wouldn't agree all of them.
For instance, he outlined the three main types of vegetarian, and none of them suit me.
Maybe he got some real bad-ass friends in his life that keep persuading or even warn him not to eat meat at all? For me, I usually prepare all of the meal by myself (protein shake, finger food - fruits, nuts), so that it will not bring any trouble for eating out with my friends.
Maybe we are doing something really bad to the environment, but at least the author must understand the true circle-of-life before expressing those feeling. We dominate, we kill, we do whatever we wanted to do, same things go to other species if they have the chance to rule the world. But what is the point when we overdo it and ruin the whole world?

This thread is not calling everybody to get rid of animal fleshes in their life, but to think over again, "is that necessary to put it into your mouth?yes, maybe not that amount?". After we died, what we left behind are merely body and intelligence.

Thank you for sharing the articles, darklight!

hehe, but if you are looking for serious gain, it can be done with vegan diet too.

I think it truly changed my life. By increasing fruits and veges intake, I feel better, stronger, and smarter (seriously! More focused on study).

Yep, have fun!

This post has been edited by yan99033: Aug 13 2012, 08:26 PM

Negative. Unless you are backed up with solid evidences.

If you are referring to the references provided in 1st thread, you will see how MASSIVE amount of animal feed needed to grow just to feed the animals and let them grow, and not to mention that environmental impact on maintaining the livestock farm.

Me and my wife are doing greatly with vegan diet!

To darklight:
my bad

But I must admit that I am a kind-hearted creature...

As a result, whatever we do to the earth, mother nature has the ability to counteract in order to reach a balance point, am I right?
Just as illustrated in Taoism Philosophy, yin-yang are both occur concurrently.

In other word:

me (kind-hearted) VS darklight (aggressive killer)

LOL!

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Added on August 13, 2012, 9:49 pmNo offence, but I think you should learn how to respect others before posting. tq

This post has been edited by yan99033: Aug 13 2012, 09:49 PM

you are a doctor, right? not sure but i read from somewhere else.


to happy4ever,

my answer is No. hope it clears your bewilderment.

my wife is not crying or suffering while I am doing so, to say the least

Still, its own personal preference, undoubtedly I felt much better after switched to vegetarian.
Erm, I cant say I am a vegan since I am still eating eggs and ingesting whey proteins for protein source( they are animal products) in limited amount

BTW, I shall share with you guys my favourite staple food that I am taking everyday once I backed home.

This post has been edited by yan99033: Aug 14 2012, 09:48 AM

Some of my staple foods, 10+ grains with legumes and beans as my main carbohydrate source, not to mention the importance of fruits (kiwi, apple, or papaya) too.

And the shakes that prepared for whole day in the morning.
Ingredient list:
Banana
Orange
Apple
Cucumber
Tomato
Olive oil
oat/grains

optional: (with controlled amount of fats)
sunflower kernel
pumpkin seed
almond
cashew
walnut
dragon fruit
spinach

I prepared for total 4 cups, 2 in thermal insulated bottle for retaining its freshness, 2 for me and my wife in the morning.

I always go for organic stuff, unless they are too expensive (certain products: tomato, cucumber...) to spend in the long run. But definitely organic food is worth spending in my opinion. Just like people invests their money on properties, luxury products, but I see it in another way. By eating healthily, you are indirectly increase your inner value.

There is a organic store near Taman Canaught named Country Farm, whenever they are doing promotion, I will purchase in bulk like crazy. Sometimes they offer buy 1 free 1, or in attractive price.

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Added on August 14, 2012, 1:02 pmspinach is one of my favourite food. Aeon (formerly known as jusco) is selling organic spinach.
Just wash, rinse, and blend it with fruits to enhance the taste.

I personally prefer banana, apple or raisin. Just a game of mix-n-match.

With olive oil too!

This post has been edited by yan99033: Aug 14 2012, 01:02 PM

do whatever you think it is good for you!

m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKNCGkprGW_o%26feature%3Dshare&feature=share&v=KNCGkprGW_o&gl=MY

a link to youtube which explains the facts and problems as a meat n diary consumer. I need to stress again that I am not having a dispute or whatsoever, but to share something that beneficial to me.

we cannot do anything on the deterioration in quality of living environment. But we can definitely make it a better place for next generation. like it or hate it, tats all

This post has been edited by yan99033: Aug 15 2012, 01:59 PM

if u r sharing something good, everybody will appreciate it. But I dont really see a point but a cluster of text. AGAIN, if u r replying to contribute to the whole community, go for it! Show to everybody why u r right in a mature way (back up ur words with some reliable sources, where I dont really see anything but negativity)

if u were watching the video from the link, u would know how our grand grand parents lived with their grain based diet. while gradually increasing of meat consumption are associating with increment of certain disease n cancer.

N I am tired to answer ur question. Please go to google

To "happy4ever",

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/weekinre...ttman.html?_r=1

You do really need to spend some time reading.
I might not your friend, but GOOGLE and YOUTUBE are always out there (24/7) to serve you. Don't worry!


“Confidence is ignorance. If you're feeling cocky, it's because there's something you don't know.”
― Eoin Colfer, Artemis Fowl


“Spoon feeding in the long run teaches us nothing but the shape of the spoon.”
― E.M. Forster

I am sick and tired with happy4ever.

Why?
1. Don't know how to do RESEARCH[1] before posting
2. Asking irrelevant questions (without knowing what is the true purpose of this thread)
3. Acting childishly (making fun of my wife, asking me about carnivore but in fact we are omnivore, this person seems dislike vegetarian over discussing the main thing)

To happy4ever,

why don't you tell everybody what is the purpose for this thread? Because you looked so LOST, and miserable.


ps. I shall include the annotation, since this person don't know exactly what is the definition.

[1] 1: careful or diligent search
2: studious inquiry or examination; especially : investigation or experimentation aimed at the discovery and interpretation of facts, revision of accepted theories or laws in the light of new facts, or practical application of such new or revised theories or laws
3: the collecting of information about a particular subject

[from: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/research]

This post has been edited by yan99033: Aug 16 2012, 09:42 AM

Erm... Perhaps I am responsible with these intertwined endless debate.

[1] First of all, let me explain in mathematics.
"...about two to five times more grain is required to produce the same amount of calories through livestock as through direct grain consumption, according to Rosamond Naylor..."
In other words, 100kcal of meat is actually wasting 200kcal - 500kcal from grain.
Which means, if we can directly consume grain, we are optimizing the resources usage. And it underpinned the argument of environmental issue.

[2] Regarding to protein intake requirement, based on my experience, I only require another 1-2 scoops of whey protein to fulfill my muscle growth and recovery. And I gained 3 kg of lean mass based on grain based diet. Please go to 2nd page to see my staple food. Perhaps I can open a new thread in fitness journal section to share my progression. {my current record: 178cm, 68kg, 12.8% fat}

[3] Last time I was just like everyone, thinking vegan diet is actually a fool to "Health and fitness" route. Until I googled and found out there are many information which I never came across. Please google: "vegan body builder" to find out more!

[4] Finally, its just an exposure to you all with the valuable information. I am not earning a single cent through this. Nothing wrong about sharing knowledge, right? If you are dealing something personal, please use PM instead of spamming the thread. If interested, can try for a month and share your results as well! [Thank you mikehuan for speaking neutrally]

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Added on August 16, 2012, 2:48 pmThank you for pointing out this particular matter, I will study on this issue.

This post has been edited by yan99033: Aug 16 2012, 02:48 PM

I need to end this in a peaceful way...

As I mentioned in the first place, "rethink what you are eating".
Nothing more nothing less.

BTW, after opened this thread, I'd made up my mind to switch my diet to vegetarian. I will open a new in "fitness journal" to record the milestones that I'd achieve.

Need to thank again to "working bee" to remind me about the whey protein manufacturing process. I will replace them with raw soy bean, cook and mix with my staples and see how it tastes.

Initially this thread is intended to let people with same interest to share their view, but end up...... Anyway, I learned something new. Stay foolish and keep learning!

Thank you everybody! Hope some of you can reap some benefits from this thread.

This post has been edited by yan99033: Aug 16 2012, 06:17 PM

Just visited organic store. Can't wait to share with you all for what I am practising everyday in journal section. Stay tuned and see how it works!

I think this is the best solution, people who interested can join me later! thank you.
Calorie intake, protein deficiency matter, carb intake manipulation, etc...