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post Dec 9 2012, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 15 2012, 08:49 AM)
Ahem ahem.. pls allow me to serong a bit with an idea ar.

Since DDI doesn't stop if there's not enough $ in the funding a/c, just skipped for that month:
1. When U want to get in (ie. during low or "normal range" NAV of the fund), have enough in your funding a/c to DDI

2. When U don't want to get in (ie. during abnormally high NAV of the fund), remove your $ from the a/c for those few days - eg. if your DDI = 8th, then perhaps 7th till 9th, have less than DDI amount in your funding a/c, thus DDI does not happen for that month

Yar yar - snakey a bit but what to do, have to "play the game" based on their rules right? Creative a bit lor.
Please note your mileage may vary  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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just read few pages of this thread. got some nice info! thanks to all. will continue reading about PM, since i just started this for one fund. trying to figure out how the dividend/distribution work for my fund (pief)
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post Dec 11 2012, 08:24 AM

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hi guys,

last year i started one fund, PIEF. and i've been doing ddi since then. let say i put RM200 for ddi. should i open another fund and split the RM200, and put RM100 on PIEF and another RM100 on the new fund? this shud be better right? as it can lower the risk of my investment? any opinion? hmm.gif
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post Dec 11 2012, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 11 2012, 11:16 AM)
What fund you consider to buy in to do DDI?

Basically, you can split to do DDI RM100 each fund. No issues with it as part of diversification.
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dont know what fund yet. i'm thinking to go for moderate risk, as pief is already aggressive fund. i just want to play safe, as i plan to do this for along period.

i'm gonna start a third fund using epf next year. so, i will have 3 fund, 2 using ddi and 1 epf.

any suggestion for my 2nd and 3rd fund? blush.gif
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post Dec 11 2012, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(tom_87 @ Dec 11 2012, 02:47 PM)
i know but i really sked of taking the risk myself...huhu
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scared how? scared to invest? if scared to invest, then you shud try FD
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post Dec 11 2012, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(tom_87 @ Dec 11 2012, 05:01 PM)
no la...not really scared to invest with an agent tho...just scared if i do myself...any guide given if i wanna invest myself?
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oh, my bad. now i get it. u scared doing it by urself, without any guide/help. huhu. i think we can ask opinion from agent and compare or ask here. hmm, me too just learning about this investment thing...
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post Dec 11 2012, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(tom_87 @ Dec 11 2012, 05:09 PM)
hehe...so far u re doing it by urself?
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right now i nly have one PM fund. thinking of opening another one, and maybe one more next year using epf. before this i rely on my agent, but i think i shud try to manage/control it myself. cant trust agent 100%, shud have other opinions too. huhu
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post Dec 11 2012, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ Dec 11 2012, 05:44 PM)
You should be more afraid of investing through an agent as you add on another risk factor.

One can never be too sure as the agent will have his/her own interests as well.  I'd rather eliminate that risk and invest using my own judgement derived from my own due diligence.

When I started investing, I had an advisor as well.  However, I was too naive and listened to him blindly.  In the end, I ended up paying too much for underperformance and I found out that he was pushing only funds from 1 company because he gets a fatter commission.  From then on, I swore never to go through any advisor unless he/she gets paid by the hour and not by commission or size of trades.

Now I'm saving upfront already by doing my own due diligence and balance my own portfolio quarterly.  This will reduce my costs and increase my investment knowledge and experience.

Going back to the 5.5% sales charge, I'd pass on Public Mutual for the time being.  I'm with DWS mainly and I pay only 2 - 2.5% sales charge on equity funds if I invest monthly and the performance is comparable to PM.
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that is true. Agent could have their own agenda. Thats why we have to check or ask others for a second opinion.
The 5.5% sale's charge is killing me too. Huhu. Sometimes, i'm thinking of becoming an agent just to lower the sale's charge.
Btw bro, what is DWS?
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post Dec 12 2012, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Dec 11 2012, 08:27 PM)
thumbup.gif  perhaps you should register an account here tom_87 you can enjoy low sale charge and get UT knowledge thru CIS
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Do you mean if we have account on fsm, we can buy UT with lower sale charge? now for PM, sale charge is 5.5%. so if i reg fsm, i can buy at lower sale charge? if so, its very good for us investor!
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post Dec 19 2012, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 12 2012, 09:10 AM)
FSM SC range from 0% to max 2%
Mind telling me how its work? PM sale charge is 5.5%. In that 5.5%, there's a portion for our agent right? So, if we use FSM, the sale charge is 2% (max), there will be no commission for our agent?
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post Dec 19 2012, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 19 2012, 08:39 AM)
FSM doesnt use agent force. they use online platform.
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yea i know FSM doesnt use agent. What i did not understand is, by using FSM, can we "overwrite" the PM sale charge of 5.5%? hmm.gif

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post Dec 19 2012, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Dec 19 2012, 09:01 AM)
What do you mean by overwrite?

FSM doesnt hv PM funds in their platform, if you really like PM funds you still need to get direct from PM. If you want to get 2%SC, you can look on the similiar invested profile of other funds offered in FSM to your PM. Or easy way, get FSM CIS help.
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Oh, so FSM doesnt have any PM funds in their platform? Didnt know that. That clears my confusion. I tot we can buy PM fund thru FSM rclxub.gif Thanks for the explaination

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post Jan 1 2013, 10:00 AM

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Hi all.

Wanna ask something.. Can we have more than one agents for PM? Let say i open PIEF with agent A using ddi. Then i open Ittikal with agent B using epf. Is that possible?
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post Jan 7 2013, 08:45 AM

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Morning guys.

I have a question. Its just a small one, but i can use second opinion on it. I invest in pief. Let say i already invest 5k. And my investment value is 5.5k. The unit price is quite high now (0.3645). What if i sell some of my units to get the profit (500) because i'm scared the unit price will drop so much after this. So, i can keep the profit somewhere else.

If the price decrease, i can use that 500 to buy more units.
If the price increase, i'll just let it idle for a while (do nothing).

Or, is this a bad move? Any opinions? Thank you in advance blush.gif
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post Jan 7 2013, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jan 7 2013, 12:16 PM)
"Sell" as in cashing out or the proper term "re-purchase"? No. You will pay the service charge again when you re-enter. The recent posts and discussion is on why some are going elsewhere due to the high service charge.

What you should do is 'switching' - switch all or partially to a bond or money market fund. Read back a few pages, I have posted some comments on switching and switching fees.

Generally, unit trusts are for long term; and one of the better method is spreading out the purchase over a period of time (months) instead of making one big purchase. Hence with each purchase, there would be a positive thought; if price decrease, good since you're getting more units; if price increase, also good since the previous purchases have increased in value.
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Switch all --> u mean switch all my profit so far right? like in my example, the 500.

OK, will read previous pages about this switching.

Right now i only have 1 fund. Seems like i have to open a new one asap. Should choose a bond fund after this.
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post Jan 7 2013, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Jan 7 2013, 01:13 PM)
Ya, you should get a bond fund just to diversify. Basic will be equity + bond. When you have more $$, try to diversify based geographical, big cap, small/mid cap.

Percentage of Bond exposure will based on your risk tolerance and also you feel about the market in near to mid term.
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Thanks for the input. Any suggestion what bond fund (shariah compliance) is good to start now? notworthy.gif

And, if i'm gonna open 1 epf fund, can u suggest what type it shud be? i mean, bond or equity or etc.


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post Jan 21 2013, 08:56 AM

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Great story bro. Based on real experience some more. It should be a lesson to me. Thanks.

Btw, anyone know how to check past distribution for PM fund? I want to check my fund (PIEF), but couldnt find where.. sweat.gif

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post Sep 15 2013, 08:35 PM

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guys,

any idea what fund is good to invest using epf? islamic fund is preferred.
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post Sep 15 2013, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(hilmihilmi @ Sep 15 2013, 09:10 PM)
PISEF, PISTGF
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Any reasons why are u suggesting that fund?
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post Sep 29 2013, 12:04 PM

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Hi guys,

How is the calculation to estimate how many years i have to invest to reach my goal? My agent have told me before, but i forgot edy. Let me give example of my situation.

i'm doing DDI, RM200/month. i want to do this till my total investment is RM500,000. I'm investing in PIEF. How many years i have to invest? TQ in advance.
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post Sep 29 2013, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 29 2013, 12:36 PM)
hmm.gif  what is the projected annualized return/IRR you are looking to get? It is important to understand that unit trusts do not offer a fixed rate of return: your principal value will fluctuate, and the return on your investment is not guaranteed. The rates of return fluctuate with market conditions, changes of the valuation of the securities a fund invests in, or other factors.
so without a constant annualized return/IRR factor.....one can only assume?
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Before this i think my agent said to use safe value at 10%. I know we can only estimate/assume because who can predict future right? I just want to know how many years to reach my goal, using estimated annualized return at 10%.

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