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birdman13200
post Dec 8 2013, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 7 2013, 10:23 AM)
just saw this in my email...
"Dear Unitholder We wish to inform you of our PMO Awareness Campaign, from now until 31 December 2013. Investors who sign up as a PMO subscriber and perform at least one transaction by 10 January 2014 through PMO will be rewarded with 5,000 Bonus MGQPs!! For more information on the PMO Awareness Campaign and services of PMO, please click on http://www.publicmutual.com.my/CampaignsPromotions.aspx Regards Customer Service "
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This campaign only benefit new PMO user, not much on existing user. The only benefit is 5.25% (equity) and 0.95%(bond) sc during this period. One unclear point is DDI created during this period will maintain the discount sc or not.
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post Dec 24 2013, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(vandoren @ Dec 24 2013, 12:30 PM)
thank you very much!
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Mind to share why u want to close up the account?
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post Jan 2 2014, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jan 2 2014, 06:12 PM)
Would be interesting to see the NAV price of the ASEAN funds tomorrow noon... Thai index dropped -5.23%, on the 1st trading day of the year; while KLCI -0.75%, STI +0.23% and Jakarta +1.24%.

edit: Thai index updated.
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No surprise to me on the drop especially KLCI. The figure being so nice in last few days, before closing of 2013, seen like the market want to hv nice closing value.
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post Jan 11 2014, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(frodo baggin @ Jan 11 2014, 02:10 AM)
Is there any place to make complaints on unethical agents that go around cheating those not well versed. I just came across a public mutual manager who guaranteed returns that were never made and only thought about his commission when giving advice.
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mutual fund is not something that hv guarantee return. Does the agent told u that when approach u?
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post Jan 12 2014, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE(transit @ Jan 12 2014, 12:22 AM)
U need to sign on a form called "Cancellation of DDI". Your UTC should have it. If not, you may walk in any Public Mutual Branch to get the form to sign on it. U must have your fund's account & your Bank Account Number in hand to complete this request.

If you are not convenience to do above, then u may let your bank account insufficient money for next 6 consecutive months. The DDI order will be cancelled after unsuccessful 6 consecutive months.
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Yes, it is very inconvenience, but I only want to cancel one of the DDI, so can't left the bank with insufficient amount. When I walk in Public Bank branch the sign the form, after I nearly complete everything, the bank personal just told me the second account holder also need to sign, which is my wife, luckily she is in the car when I go there, if not, vmad.gif mad.gif .

Easy say, public let u enroll easily DDI thru online, but take a long process to cancel it.
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post Jan 12 2014, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jan 12 2014, 03:08 PM)
Cut Your Winners And Let The Losses Run.

That’s right, it's not a typo, and it’s the reverse of the usual “cut the losses and let the profits run”.

Unit trusts are long term investments while buying shares directly can be both long term and short. Another difference is that investments into unit trust funds are usually regular savings and savings for retirement purpose. So shouldn’t that the usual phrase within the stock market circle be reversed for long term mutual funds?

Think about it. It is more appropriate to let the losses run in a down trend, especially in the accumulation stage where you will be averaging down the unit price each time you buy.

Secondly, the losses should not be too unbearable if the portfolio has been adjusted to your appropriate risk profile, and would not be too steep if the portfolio is well diversified with each fund not more than 6% of the portfolio and distributed evenly among several different asset classes.

So, always let the losses run; and trim only the winners whenever necessary.

Cheers. And happy investing.

PS. Above is not an original thought. It is from a Paul Merriman article in MarketWatch.com. Sorry, lost the link to the article.
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Yes, it is a good sharing.
This is what I do now:
1. When a fund reach certain percentage of earning, I will partial re-purchase it, to keep the profit.
2. I will continue to top up the under perform fund.
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post Jan 12 2014, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 12 2014, 04:25 PM)
means?
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sell partial of the unit.
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post Jan 13 2014, 08:00 PM

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Re-purchase as in selling is not advisable unless you want to exit Public Mutual and NEVER, NEVER to return back. Because each new purchase will incur the service charge again. What I did and meant in previous posts regarding exiting and pulling out of any fund is SWITCHING to another fund, whether it is an equity, bond or money-market fund. Yes, there is a switching fee but it is not as high as the service charge in a new purchase.

Thanks for the advice, switching is something I need to look for. But my re-purchase is due to my strategy to shift the focus to FSM. What I sell in PM, mostly will top up at FSM.



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Topping up an under performing fund. This could be ambiguous and dangerous (as pointed by Xuzen, in another post below yours). The under performing fund could be a really bad fund. Before letting the losses run, you need to read carefully my entire post especially on the second part. It should be read together with the previous posts on a Buy-and-Hold portfolio model by Paul Merriman.

My reply might be a bit confuse, what I do is continue DCA when the fund under perform, but of course the fund in my portfolio need to be a good fund, at least meeting my initial expectation when buy the fund. So, when the fund is under perform, it is just at the normal economic downturn.
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post Jan 30 2014, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(Lineage @ Jan 30 2014, 08:16 AM)
Good morning all & Happy Chinese New Year..

I just joined EPF Member Investment Scheme and according to agent, I'm investing into Public Dividend Select Fund..

Apart from that, I'm interested to invest into Public Mutual using cash for saving and dividend..as the agent told me, PM definitely better than FD..

As I'm new in mutual fund, what should I take note before I invest? Which fund should I invest into?

Thanks all for helping me..
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Since u r new, suggest u go to Public Mutual Online website and read this:
http://www.publicmutual.com.my/Resources/U...ustLessons.aspx

"Which fund should I invest into?"
This question will hv vary answer, the correct way is not choose a fund, but build a portfolio that consist of few funds from different type/location/ etc.

"PM definitely better than FD"
Be aware this statement may not true if looking in short term, unit trust would require minimum 3 to 5 years, in order it can be better than FD. Do not expect unit trust give consistent return of more than 3% each year.
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post Jan 30 2014, 11:32 AM

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Hi lineage, below statement may not be correct.

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Example for PDSF, for past years record, all also above 3% return,


During economic downturn, the unit trust may not give u positive return, see below performance of PDSF during year 2008. It is not something above 3%. U need to prepare urself for this before enter unit trust, else u will panic when see this type of negative return. It is easy to look back the history, but when u r in it, it is a different story.


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post Jan 30 2014, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(Lineage @ Jan 30 2014, 04:53 PM)
Oh..I see..thank for your information..

So should I stop investing to PM using my EPF before I know what I am doing?  shocking.gif
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If u already purchased, just let it be, since u hv pay 3% of service charge. Don't be panic if ur return not as expected, especially for the first year, since u need to overcome the 3% SC before hv positive return.

For the cash investment, it is better u study in detail before go in, u need to pay 5.5% sc for cash investment, it is difficult to hv positive in short period, the typical case for newbie is buy->long time negative return->panic and sell the fund=get negative profit.

Just add on, I not saying unit trust not good, but u need to aware what u r buying and how it is function, else wrong decision will be made.

This post has been edited by birdman13200: Jan 30 2014, 05:05 PM
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post Jan 31 2014, 12:44 AM

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Happy Chinese New Year to u all, hope that great year ahead us.
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post Feb 6 2014, 07:44 PM

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By rough calculation, after apply GST, the sc will be
5.5% becomes 5.83%
2.0% becomes 2.12%

So, Public Mutual SC will become about ~6%, should PM lower the SC after GST in place????
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post Feb 19 2014, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(Six Miles @ Feb 19 2014, 06:31 PM)
Anyone can tell me how long is the repurchase period to banked into account ?
Thanks.
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Yes, I have done a few repurchases last year, all bank in my Public Bank account within 3 business days.
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post Mar 11 2014, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(Sarah Jessica @ Mar 11 2014, 04:21 PM)
Hello everyone. I intend to invest some in PM. Can anyone recommend me some good products. Serious answer please  icon_question.gif
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I recommend u 2 funds, PFSF and PIADF. Go study and look for detail of these 2 funds.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 11 2014, 05:29 PM)
hm... so many newbies getting into "the game" suddenly...
time to "take some off the table"?
in addition, in US, the level of leverage for investing/trading in stocks has gone back up to all time high. <worried>
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So, what u mean now is like Warren Buffett say, "careful when the other is greedy".
Based on my portfolio, the equity portion get high again, so it is time to release some portion to bond fund, to balance it.
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post Mar 12 2014, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 12 2014, 01:02 AM)
Bird,

Your advise is completely useless for a noob. Study what? Look for what detail? to a noob, he may be looking at entirely different thing and come to a different conclusion altogether from what you intended.

I also apologise for recommending PCSF. I was being an arsehole. It is the worse fund in the entire Pub-mut inventory. I just realise how dangerous my jest can affect a noob investor, I sincerely apologise.

To those who ask which fund to buy, you will actually get the answer if you just browse through a few pages back. It was discussed already. Funds are not like stock, their characteristic does not change frequently. And it is also futile to time their entry and exit point. Using technical analysis like Moving average, cross-over and stochastic bounce, relative strength index etc is mute and poor choice of instrument to assess unit trust.

For unit trust, actually their measure of performance is quite simple. Look for those that out-perform relative to their benchmark in terms of ROI while keeping their volatility aka standard deviation lower than the benchmark, These are already hallmark of superior unit trust fund. In the market, with hundreds of unit trust available, not many can do these continuously. It is the job of superior fund manager to do that and it is the job of investors like me to find them, invest through them, pay them their due i.e., annual management fee.

So, for noob like Sarah & Vit, to simplify things, download a copy of the latest public mutual quarterly fund review from their website, and select funds that have at least four morning star rating and above. Why do I say that? It is because Morningstar actually study the same parameters as I said above and ranked them. So they already have done the research on your behalf, free of charge. Use that, they are a good guide and a good start.

Once you have short-listed the funds, then read their fund fact sheet which is a two-page summary of the characteristic of the fund, whether the fund manager uses aggressive style, or more moderate risk taker; where geographically she invest; what asset class she invest in, etc. Spend some time to read those, do a little homework. I am teaching you how to fish rather than just feeding you fish.

Thank you for reading this. Happy investing.

Xuzen out.
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Yes, notworthy.gif , u r the master.
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post Jul 10 2014, 07:44 PM

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Recently, I am thinking of repurchased few of my public funds, however, I am thinking of switching to money market fund rather than repurchase. So, I got few items need to clarify.

1. If I partial switch my equity fund to money market fund (more than 90 days), there is not cost involved, right?

2. If I switch back my money market fund to equity fund, does it only cost me RM25? I read it from latest prospectus.

3. If I buy into money market fund, the sc is 0%, right?

4. After I buy into money market fund, if I switch into equity fund, does it charge extra sc or just RM25 as indicated?


Actually I am confuse the switching charge between money market fund and equity fund, hope somebody can help me, thanks a lot.
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post Jul 11 2014, 06:49 PM

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V-zero, David83 and j.passing by, thanks for your reply. I am clear now.

Just one more thing, in money market fund, if there is mix of cash purchase and some switching from equity fund, how to consider when switch back to equity fund. It will take the switching portion or cash purchase portion?
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post Jul 13 2014, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 11 2014, 08:05 PM)

To keep things simple, maybe use 2 different MM funds to separate the loaded units from the low-load units. I don't think you can combine all the units together and consider the transaction as a single switch.

I had once made a mistake of doing a full switch out of an equity fund which has both units lesser than 90 days and more than 90 days, and it was counted as 2 switches, with the less than 90 days units incurring RM50. This cost me more than I had expected... if the system considered all the units as less than 90 days; and do a single transaction with 0.75% imposed on them, it would cost less. But no, the system had to do 2 separate transactions...
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Thanks for ur reply. My case will be simple, use cash to buy in money market fund, then just switch my equity fund to it. When time correct, I will switch it back to equity fund. The cash purchase should be the initial investment only.

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