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post Aug 9 2013, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(alex4843 @ Aug 9 2013, 11:24 PM)
hello peeps,

I just came across this info, and i found out that this idea actually work and logical.

To sell off when a fund is going to declare distribution and reap the capital gain. and then buy back. After all, we will still get the distributed unit .

is this what the Unit trust Pro doing?
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"this idea actually work and logical"?
er.. have U calculated the cost & time to execute? Done it hands-on? worth the hassle?

NEXT! tongue.gif

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post Aug 16 2013, 08:39 AM

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PM will be charging 1% on all bond funds (except PINBOND)... doh.gif
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post Aug 20 2013, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Aug 20 2013, 01:48 PM)
My hand so itchy to do switching to equity today!
or should I wait severeal more days, or weeks?
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Fed's chairman changing bro - good scare still a-coming. Something to think about if U want to go gung-ho.

me - bought a nibble on SREITs - malls in Indonesia punya lagi (Indonesia's JSE dropped about 20% from peak.. today still dropping 4%-5%+) tongue.gif
er.. only 2%ish of my total portfolio, not "sai lang"
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post Aug 23 2013, 10:57 AM

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EPF for 2014 Jan onwards: http://www.kwsp.gov.my/portal/documents/10...ANUARY_2014.pdf
New MINIMUM savings table for age base

Just thinking of Impact:
EPF A/C1 withdrawals for mutual funds / stocks?
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post Sep 5 2013, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 5 2013, 08:32 PM)
hmm.gif 
maybe i did sign some form about switching.....not sure about that. too many forms were signed at the initial a/c opening..
maybe he/she tried to "save/protect" my investment....but you are right, it sounds scary because I was NOT informed before the switch.  mad.gif
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YKLooi - if U cheesed off enough, U can give PubMut a call & "golden finger" the fler for:
a. Having U pre-sign forms (a big no-no officially)
b. buta buta execute without checking with U

Note though, your agent may kena cut. Thus, do only if REALLY dang angry yar.

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post Nov 20 2013, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Nov 19 2013, 11:15 PM)
cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif

Ask engineering pipu go read finance stuff is like ask Albert Einstein go art gallery see art. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif Very torture yo.

Can explain a bit ahh boss what I got wrong? I rerry the hope I can understang how this unit trust fungsyen wan lohh so that I can making the big moneh. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Pardon moi.. i'm from software & systems engineering.
If U are a true engineer, the financial concepts are simple in comparison.
Anyhow, if U wish NOT to understand (it is very clear in Pink's link + pie example) & want to be spoon-fed, U may want to stay with FD or else U may be building an "unstable" investment methodology - ie. dangerous for U

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post Nov 20 2013, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Nov 20 2013, 09:46 AM)
if u cannot take a bit of sarcasm then too bad
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"youngster" gua (in mind) - generation gap thinking.
i'd rather a sifu that whacks me AND teaches me right things
VS
an idiot that talks nice & teach me nothing / wrong things
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post Nov 20 2013, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 20 2013, 11:19 AM)
hmm.gif on your question:
1. Me now holding on to Fund A.
2. Fund A very the high NAV.
(has you made profit enough from fund A to cover the SC and the opportunity cost lost (the cost of better utilize your invested amount in fund A if you had not invested in that for that time and for the risk taken)
3. I want switching to Fund B, which haz low NAV cuz Fund B baru saja financial end year.
4. Profit?
(1) can you be sure that fund B is "sure" to go up to cover the SC for that period? (Past performance of funds may be be an indicator of future performance).
(2) is fund B within your risk appetite and the expected ROI?

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bb100, since U are a researcher - research the "underlying assets of a mutual fund"
from there, U will understand that:
NAV of mutual fund A VS NAV of mutual fund B
is akin to Name A vs Name B,
for the process of investment switching/changes.

without the basis of understanding the "underlying assets of a mutual fund",
U are trying to "learn how to run" before learning to walk.

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post Nov 20 2013, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(smsbusiness2u @ Nov 20 2013, 03:46 PM)
who u refer to idiot?
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Referring to general English language - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
U've problems with my usage of English ar? rclxub.gif

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post Dec 4 2013, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 3 2013, 11:10 PM)
Need help, want to ask:

What is the minimum mandatory holding in terms of Ringgit Malaysia in Pub-Mut unit trust funds to qualify to buy the Mutual life funds.

That is the only thing so far that is still worth to buy from Pub Mut Bhd.

Thanks.

Xuzen
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er.. just to clarify before responding:
U mean U want to buy the Group Life Term Insurance called "Mutual Life Plus 2", not funds right?
http://www.publicmutual.com.my/LinkClick.a...oXw%3d&tabid=69

and wanna know qualifying terms (ie. how much one needs to be invested VS how much of the insurance one can buy?)
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post Dec 4 2013, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 4 2013, 10:44 AM)
Yes, WMK, yes. This is exactly what I want to know.

Xuzen
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Based on info BEFORE AIA took over GE as the insurer (very old handbook):

An investor with PM can buy as much as:
Insurance Premium <= Investments' value held

eg.
I've $50K in PIX and i want to buy the $500K coverage which premium is $5K+
Assuming i'm below 50 ($500K is for below 50), no issues, game on
(to apply lar, then AIA may ask me to go checkup lar, what not lar, )

Note - after AIA took over, i've not noticed any updates, thus i assUme it's the same smile.gif
Thus, i stand to be corrected by my betters. notworthy.gif
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post Dec 4 2013, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(transit @ Dec 4 2013, 10:59 AM)
Investment MGQP of RM4,950 then u r eligible to get ML Plus 2 (AIA) at RM495 annual premium for RM100k Sum Assured.

It is 10:1 ratio to your premium.
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ooh MGQP 10: Premium 1 thumbup.gif

TQ - heheh paiseh, i dont "sell" these, personal consumption only for family.
dang good cost:risk coverage

- deleted -
caffeine tak cukup, maths failed tongue.gif

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post Dec 4 2013, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 4 2013, 01:19 PM)
GE does accept my coverage to death exclude CI due to on medication for HBP and cholesterol..
wondering can take this?
what does MGQP means?
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Mutual Gold Qualifying Points
http://www.publicmutual.com.my/MutualGold/...mulateMGQP.aspx

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post Jan 12 2014, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jan 12 2014, 03:08 PM)
Cut Your Winners And Let The Losses Run.

That’s right, it's not a typo, and it’s the reverse of the usual “cut the losses and let the profits run”.

Unit trusts are long term investments while buying shares directly can be both long term and short. Another difference is that investments into unit trust funds are usually regular savings and savings for retirement purpose. So shouldn’t that the usual phrase within the stock market circle be reversed for long term mutual funds?

Think about it. It is more appropriate to let the losses run in a down trend, especially in the accumulation stage where you will be averaging down the unit price each time you buy.

Secondly, the losses should not be too unbearable if the portfolio has been adjusted to your appropriate risk profile, and would not be too steep if the portfolio is well diversified with each fund not more than 6% of the portfolio and distributed evenly among several different asset classes.

So, always let the losses run; and trim only the winners whenever necessary.

Cheers. And happy investing.

PS. Above is not an original thought. It is from a Paul Merriman article in MarketWatch.com. Sorry, lost the link to the article.
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IMHO, take it with some statistical pinch of salt laugh.gif .

Based on my own tracking - yes, one should lower a fund that:
has already run-up ABOVE it's X years' moving average +Std Deviation (eg. 3years moving average + 3years std deviation)
Logic: The fund is achieving its outlier returns and based on "revision to mean" and the average performance, it will go down sooner or later.

Of course, similarly, one can also apply the opposite of the above to accumulate more of a fund that is
below X years' moving average - Std Deviation (eg. 3years moving average - 3years std deviation).

Both the above are based on "average returns" and "revision to mean". It's semi-crystal ball gazing - it's a sure thing. The only problem is WHEN (it will drop after hitting outlier returns or when it will climb after hitting outlier lows) tongue.gif

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post Jan 14 2014, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jan 14 2014, 10:15 AM)
tongue.gif  Mutual funds, mutual benefits!

Only starting with regular savings... hardly anything compare to my EPF withdrawal at age 55. They want to love me, they better get their act together.  biggrin.gif
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Just ranting...

It's getting to the point where i'm heavily considering moving all my cash into local ETFs & overseas ETFs.
The bloody annual mgt fees % is a killer VS ETFs
AND
i don't get proper "asset allocation" as these mutual funds are usually not >80%+ in the equities VS ETFs
ie. in essence i may be holding more "cash" than the cash in my flexi mortgage account thanks to the cash held by these mutual funds". screws up my asset allocation.

FSM does help lower initial costs and i'm grateful.
However.. as things accumulate and one can transact cost-efficiently (ie. big enough purchases) for ETFs, the pain becomes more on the "yearly management fees"

As for EPF A/C1... aargh! *^%$!
Stuck between EPF, mutual funds and self-directed investments into KLSE which still have to pay mutual fund-like costs.
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post Jan 29 2014, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(labtec @ Jan 28 2014, 08:49 PM)
for those who bought any public mutual fund since 5 years ago, how much is the exact net return you get today?
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Like Wil-I-Am stated, perhaps in future, best to be more specific.

Since it's CNY mood, share share lar a bit tongue.gif

Attached are 3 funds that i'm holding with specific transactions from 2009 or before until now.
Other funds i've deleted 2009 and before transactions due to asset re-allocation or just closing down the fund for my investment.

The 3 funds are:
1. EastSpringInvestments SmallCaps (yes yes this is PM thread but this gives one an idea right - especially comparable to PM's SmallCaps)
Done adhoc & lump sum
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2. PFES done monthly DCA via agent's pink
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3. PSSF done quarterly via EPF and value averaging
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To me, bottom line (including my other funds already sold off / SWITCHED due to asset reallocation or closing down):
a. When markets are crazily depressed (manic depressive), buy MUCH more on top of DCA or value averaging
b. When don't know where market heading (ie. it's not high or low), DCA or value averaging
c. Wehn markets are crazily elated (lots of ppl talking - just like REITs in last half 2012 to 2013), better taper off / asset reallocation or value averaging only (not DCA)

BIG FAT NOTE: Always have enough emergency funds to avoid selling-off investments at inappropriate times.
When i buy, i can hold for minimum 1 year, expected 3 to 5 years, forever until forced to asset rebalance if possible tongue.gif

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post Jan 29 2014, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 29 2014, 10:47 AM)
WMK,

Wah... so detail, lu manyak senang type izzit?

I just take the published result at their FS and just know the average will do. I lazy to be so detail, as long as I am invested in the most efficient fund, I sleep well.

Xuzen
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Susan-hubby, i'm anal-retentive mar hehe.
Didn't type specially for asker lar - unless asker hot SYT lar drool.gif

I track per transaction and even redistribute re-invested units based on units held before dividend reinvestment.
Gives me ultra-clear details when needed - to continue OR chop OR rebalance within sub-asset.

Thus, kinda easy for me to just hide lots of other details and snapshot for asker - was just lazy yesterday to "play" heheh.
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QUOTE(labtec @ Jan 29 2014, 12:39 PM)
looks good  thumbup.gif

does these returns you stated are after deducted the 5% deduction at first and also the 1-2% management fee?
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ALL costs are included where & when it occurs
eg. Entry/Purchase service charge cost, mgt fees (reflected in daily NAV), SWITCHING IN, etc.

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QUOTE(Lineage @ Jan 30 2014, 08:16 AM)
Good morning all & Happy Chinese New Year..

I just joined EPF Member Investment Scheme and according to agent, I'm investing into Public Dividend Select Fund..

Apart from that, I'm interested to invest into Public Mutual using cash for saving and dividend..as the agent told me, PM definitely better than FD..

As I'm new in mutual fund, what should I take note before I invest? Which fund should I invest into?

Thanks all for helping me..
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Pls keep in mind (in any situation):
Flower sellers usually say flowers smell good
Diamond sellers usually say diamonds are forever, say it with a diamond
Gold sellers usually say gold is real $, not fiat $
etc.
All based on self interest, NOT YOURS.

Better than FD in WHAT situations and WHY? The devil's in the details brows.gif

What i'd suggest is, don't be looking only at Pub Mut - U may want to look at Fundsupermart as well.
However, even better, U may want to look at what is "Asset Allocation", "Dollar Cost Averaging", "Value Cost Averaging" then only U'd have the "lay of the land" to execute properly.

Then again, if you're a typical fellow - heck, why not, just do it - Public Mutual and other agents needs more investors for their livelihood. sweat.gif

Just a thought respect:
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post Mar 11 2014, 05:29 PM

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hm... so many newbies getting into "the game" suddenly...
time to "take some off the table"?
in addition, in US, the level of leverage for investing/trading in stocks has gone back up to all time high. <worried>

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