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post Oct 5 2012, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(MakNok @ Oct 5 2012, 01:41 PM)
thx for the info
but i just want to maximise my mutual funds portfolio.

what i am trying to point out here is, there is still "money" to be make if active movement in the market.
i base my switching base on KLCI index movement and also looming Budget announcement at that time.
I switch on 24 Sep which happen to the dropping to 1,612.38.
(Public Select Bond Fund to Public Equity Fund)

At that time, i have 164k units of PSBF which generate me RM167k approx.

As from yesterday Public Mutual Fund Prices (04/10/12);

(a) 164,186.82 x 1.0185 = RM 167,222.27  <---- If i didn't do switching.

Switching to PEF ;
(a) 622,206.25 x 0.2785 = RM173,284.44.

The difference is Rm6k estd[SIZE=1][COLOR=blue].
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If active trading is your cup of tea, then realised that unit trust is not a suitable vehicle.

Unit trust is for those who are into passive investment, for example, those who needs to jet to Paris on Monday to attend a luncheon with some venture capitalist then Hong Kong on Friday to have dim sum with his MBA mates from HKU. Thereafter having a weekend shopping with his Victoria Secret Model girlfriend in Singapore.

So different strokes for different people. tongue.gif

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post Oct 5 2012, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 5 2012, 01:48 PM)
Wah I don't know which share broking company you use... nowadays brokers can get 0.1% cash upfront minimum RM 8 already... This one pay first then only buy, similar to UT right?

If the 0.42% is based on buy first pay later T+3, also most minimum already RM 12...

I am migrating towards ETF already and liquidating my PM UT's... tongue.gif
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Actually, I don't trade and I still use the traditional method aka:

"Hello Mr Broker, can I pleeez buy 20 lots of XYZ counter? Thank you" i.e., by Phone.

So I am charge at 0.6 + 0.03 + 0.1 = 0.73% very close to the 0.75% charged by Pub-Mut.

Since I am those buy and hold to get dividend type of investor, these online discount thing don't really entice me that much.

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post Oct 7 2012, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 5 2012, 05:54 PM)
ETF have zero sales charge and very low management fees. But the management is passive rather than active.  wink.gif

Considering 90% of UT fail to outperform the index especially foreign funds it is a good deal.  wink.gif


Added on October 5, 2012, 5:57 pm

Even dividend investors can feel the difference in fees right? Especially if you are purchasing large amounts the fees adds up....

For example of you want to buy 50K worth of a dividend share, would you rather pay ...and there is not much 'extra' effort, just a couple of clicks...

0.6% x 50,000 = RM 300

or...

0.42% x 50,000 = RM 210

or...

0.1% x 50,000 = RM 50
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With a flat rate of RM 25.00 per transaction, hence when you are moving high volume around, Pub-Mut is a more cost effective way.

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post Oct 17 2012, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 17 2012, 07:35 AM)
Any kind users with old version of FPAdvisor can help export the historical prices for PNREF (since start) to Excel, zip it and PM it to me?
WIIFM? ("what's in it for me" - U thinking?)
I'm doing up a simple short-mid & mid-long term trend for my own investing. I'll send U the "processed" Excel in zipped format and explain what the heck those columns of mine indicates.

I stupidly upgraded coz new PC on Windows7 (forgot fellow forumer's earlier posting) and woohoo... no PRICE button! doh.gif
2 extra buttons for historical Index's PER & Treasury bill rates' NAV/price.. but but.. own PM's historical prices hilang.
Downgrade to me rather than upgrade  mad.gif
Any users of FPAdvisor cheesed off, please email PM's IT & Agent Services your feedback, else the historical "Price" function may be gone for goodcry.gif
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Wow WMK,

I see that there is a treasure trove of useful information presented in the FPAdvisor.

How can I get it? Is it free or need to pay?

I can see that with info, and my Excel Solver function..... wonderful things can happen.

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post Oct 17 2012, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 17 2012, 07:23 PM)
Yo Xuzen,

FPAdvisor? To get it, register as PM's agent + subscribe $90pa.
Else - poke your friendly neighbourhood agent who has subscribed.

I think KPARAM + a few others have access to it (i'm getting old & foggy, can't recall 2 other fellows that posts often in PM thread v2 & v3, missing on/off in v4). Wonderful tool with flexi From To dates to press out the data, exportable to Excel for easy & direct processing for quants tongue.gif

Note - Ahem ahem.. some jokers thought i was pulling data from my butt when i first uploaded these data as a point of reference and comparisons. Neanderthals never saw such nice toys & thought they don't exist (world's still flat to them), what to do <end of b*thching> tongue.gif
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Pai- seh, pai-seh as I am a bona-fide Pub-Mut agent but I have been so kiam-siap with the RM 90. I do not have a FPAdvisor. I have doing it the ol'skool way i.e., EXCEL 2007.

Warning, quant speak ahead: My portfolio is hitting 9.5% p.a with a Sharpe of 1.35 using 3.1% as Risk-free. My VaR is 7.5% with a 95-confidence level over a 36 mths period. How is your baby doing?

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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Nov 7 2012, 06:40 AM)
You guys think other unit trust distributors are starting to eat up PM market share? Or PM still very successful in maintaining existing clients and getting new clients?
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Last I check, Pub-Mut still commands the market leader position, and I believe this is mainly attributed to people who are financially savvy in M'sia is still miniscule.

Auntie-auntie and uncle-uncles who rely completely on the advise of agents still are aplenty. I forsee a change in demographic in another 5 to 10 years time. So for the time being, Pub-Mut is still safe.

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QUOTE(juudai1990 @ Nov 16 2012, 03:48 PM)
hi,
im new and i have been briefed by one of the agent that i met when they opened a booth nearby my uni area...
izzit worth to invest in unit trust in which i will start with 5k then every month top up rm100???
is there any annual fees etc fees annualy??
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Yes, it is worth to invest in Unit Trust if you are not well verse to do investment on your own. Historically Some Unit Trust have been shown to beat inflation.

Typical annual fee is 1.5% or slightly more. Some may be as low as 1%. Bond fund can be as low as 0.5% p.a.

Some Mutual Fund from the US has annual fee as low as 0.1%, but that is US, not in Malaysia.

Typical question you should ask when investing are:

i) What is the historical return over 10 years, 5 years or 3 years. They should be preferably above 5% because the typical inflation in Malaysia is around 4% p.a. So the investment must work harder than 4% p.a. (I use 5% to put in some buffer)

ii) How volatile or how much is the standard deviation of the fund? The larger the standard deviation the more volatile the fun i.e., more chances of the fund not hitting its objective.

iii) What are the charges? The lower the better i.e., common sense.

So now, go lar... quickly make your money work harder for you and not you work hard for the money. Good luck.

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P/S: Practice dollar cost averaging i.e., put in little by little and and not one lump sum to minimize the risk.



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post Nov 17 2012, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(juudai1990 @ Nov 16 2012, 10:31 PM)
thanks...=)
i will double check again when im buying that time....
the one showed by the agent is giving dividend around 6%+- p.a....
i put some money then top up every month......
before this i did plan to invest in REIT as well bt then did not invest....
i can choose not to take the dividend rite??
so that i can have accumulative fund for investment??
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It is wise to choose the auto reinvest dividend option simply because the dividend reinvested is free from the initial sales charge.

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post Nov 18 2012, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(lazybump_nonsense @ Nov 18 2012, 01:29 AM)
Hi all,

Started invest in PM few weeks ago, PRSF, PISEF and PISBF(bond fund) are under my portfolio now. Any comment from this 3 funds by all gurus out there? I am still a beginner in investment so I not that sure what "homework" I need to do so I just rely on my UTC.

But I also interested in further study in this also. Any gurus out there have some tips for beginner? For the homework after you invested I mean.

Thanks in advance !
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All the three funds that you quoted are funds from Pub-Mut that has out-perform their respective benchmark. So it is good to buy them.

Btw PISEF and PRSF, both are invested in 100% locally. Perhaps you would consider buying into foreign funds to diversify?

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QUOTE(aoisky @ Nov 24 2012, 07:01 AM)
This year Public Mutual no issue diary for 2012 is it ? according to my agent
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What he actually meant was "This year Public Mutual no issue FREE diary"

I got my diary already.

Wrt sales charge, I have never pay more than 1% for its fund. If you are serious investor and want to build your wealth using the Unit Trust method, take the FIMM-CUTE exam and be an agent for yourself, by yourself.

I also went a step further, to take the CUTA license where in future, my sales charge will be zero.

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post Dec 5 2012, 01:18 PM

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I have said this and I will say it again, Pub-Mut is a jaguh kampung fund manager.

Only its local funds have beaten the benchmark. Having said that their funds are stuck at the middle. They are neither the best nor the worse, stuck in the middle.

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QUOTE(galaxynotes2 @ Jan 4 2013, 02:25 PM)
Hi all sifu
Can I invest pix and PSF today ?
How the market today ?
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Last I checked, both PIX and PSF under-perform their respective benchmark.

Choose PDSF.

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I am also in the process of transferring my investment out of Pub-Mut slowly. I forsee this exercise will end by end of this year and thereafter will not renew my FIMM membership and shall terminate my Pub-Mut UTC agency acoordingly.

Bye bye Pub-Mut, I no liek u anymoar.

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 6 2013, 01:13 PM)
Don't u feel wasted for those funds that u have already paid 5.5% in PM and transfered to FSM and pay another 2% there?
My strategy is all new funds will put in FSM. Perhaps will transfer low loaded funds from PM to FSM.
I agree with you, no point maintain the PM UTC agency, u still pay 2.5% - 3% up front charges even after u take out the commission.
PM no longer a top achievers in terms of the fund performance. 1 more excuse to quit PM.
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He he he... I only pay either 1% (KWSP equities) or zero (Bonds) as an agent.

My next target is Phillips Capital or IFast at zero upfront because I have upgraded my FIMM lic to IUTA lic.

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 6 2013, 01:58 PM)
Xuzen, Kaka23, WMK,
thanks for sharings...seems like PM "taikor tai" position in private mutual fund business is challeged by FSM, and other online DIY investment portal.
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Pub-Mut will not feel threathen for now, maybe in 2 - 4 years time they will and they must change their business model.

Internet savvy investors are still in its infancy, people like us make up maybe 0.01% of total AUM in the mkt.

However be warned that the days of commission based agents will shrink as more investors will demand lower cost for their investment.

Zero trailing commision; Fee based advisory is the future trend.

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QUOTE(birdman13200 @ Jan 12 2013, 06:02 PM)
Yes, public focus select fund, it just outperform my favorite Smallcap fund.
If you switch from EPF, should choose pb islamic bond fund (the best bond fund for public and only can invest thru EPF now).
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What a coincidence, PFSF makes up about 15% of my finds with Pub-Mut.

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According to the brainy people at Morgan Stanley, to evaluate a fund, the parameters one need to measure are:

i) Annualised return of the fund and its benchmark

ii) volatility aka standard deviation of the fund and its benchmark

iii) the beta of the fund wrt its benchmark

Google Modigliani-Modigliani ratio for the formula.

NAV is not part of the equation.

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QUOTE(birdman13200 @ Feb 19 2013, 08:54 PM)
Few month ago, I did some study and finalize some target fund, but I din buy due to not match my portfolio.

PDSF
PFSF
PIDF
PRSF
PSSF

Pls take it as suggestion, study urself n select what suit ur portfolio.
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Except for PSSF, the rest are good to go in. But be warned that most are very local funds, PUb-Mut very jaguh kampung, only their local funds are performing above benchmark.... Foreign one ar, so so only.

For actual return, refer to the annualised return column in quarterly fund review newsletter.

For a lay person, you may take the 12 month FD rate as your risk free rate.

For standard deviation, look again at the quarterly fund review and use fund volatility factor as the stan-dev.

For PCSF, I have said it before and will say it again, you do not pay the fund manager 1.5% of your NAV p.a. ti underperform the benchmark.

How can a manager who is suppose to look after the fund, perform worse than the benchmark which is collection of passive i.e., unmanaged collection of equities?

Should dump the fund long time ago liao.

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Feb 20 2013, 04:09 PM)
I'm having PDSF, PFSF, PSSF, PRSF and PIDF. Hey..that is exactly like what you shortlisted above. Wow..what a coincidence.
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Bad allocation, as your funds are mainly domestic market of the same asset class and of the same benchmark. You are not benefiting from diversification.

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On Fri, 1/3/2013 KLSE rebounded to 1,637 pts.

I took the chance to rebalance my portfolio to 80:20 in favour of fixed income compared to 50:50 previously.

Favouring cash position in view of the extreme uncertainty with the coming GE-13.

Preparing my war chest ready for barrel fishing later on.

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