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post Apr 1 2013, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Apr 1 2013, 12:08 PM)
Are you talking about distribution reinvest or unit split?
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distributed and reinvest, what is unit split by the way? Sorry i am new here rclxub.gif


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post Apr 3 2013, 02:25 PM

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Hi Sifus,

I wanna ask some calculation regarding dividend payout.

EG :

Units I have to fund PRSF(example) = 10,691.19 units (NAV = 0.6735)
dividend payout = RM520.81
Capital invested = RM7400


Does this means that I got earn by selling off PRSF?

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post Apr 3 2013, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Apr 3 2013, 02:34 PM)
Is not dividend but distribution.
How you invest EPF or CASH ?
Do you opt to reinvest from distribution ?
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yea sorry, it was distribution nod.gif

it was cash investment, nope I do not want to reinvest.
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post Apr 3 2013, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Apr 3 2013, 03:07 PM)
Regardless of whether there's distribution or not; the formula to calculate is:
Present value = units x nav price.

Profit = Invested Amount - Present Value.

Invested Amount is the total amount you paid; inclusive of any service charges.
So, 10691.19 units x nav 0.6735 = RM7200.52.
For the present value of the fund, actually no need to calculate; should applied for Public Mutual Online; log in and check the current status.

The updates in PMO is relatively fast; PRSF distribution on 31/March (announced last business day of the month on 29/March) should already have been updated with new units...

Lastly, the unit trust funds in Public Mutual are for long term; the high service charges going to kill you if you enter and exit regularly.

If you're smart and still able to beat the house and make profits with short term entries & exits, it is not worth the effort, since the effort could be applied elsewhere with bigger and more profitable gains.

When thinking unit trust funds, should be thinking passive savings. The bonus is having a "hobby" after retirement.

Cheers... Happy Investing.
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Thanks for the suggestion notworthy.gif I just wanna swap fund because previous agent didn't serve me well so i decide to switch fund but i dont want to lose money so i have to calculate when is the right time hmm.gif
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post Apr 3 2013, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Apr 3 2013, 03:57 PM)
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Reply from sifus out there are really useful, you guys changed my original thought of distribution notworthy.gif

one only earned when long run, means only NAV goes up one only can earn money from it? Please correct me if I am wrong biggrin.gif

So now, i want to ask, what's my decision now? Cut loss and switch to another fund under different agent? Or just let it be there until break-even point? Please advice me rclxub.gif

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post Apr 3 2013, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 3 2013, 04:55 PM)
DON'T THINK NAV, THINK VALUE vmad.gif

NAV x units held = value

If u are confident with the fund's management style and the potential of the markets that it invests in, keep. Otherwise, sell. Simple as that. I dunno anything about PM funds, I leave it to j.passing.by biggrin.gif
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Yes sorry typo notworthy.gif ...should be value... brows.gif


I always follow Warren Buffet rules when investing :

Rules no1 : never lose money
Rules no2 : don't forget rule no1


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post Apr 3 2013, 05:31 PM

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Yea heard that today's market drop dramatically, should I switch to PFSF from PRSF? Because different of different agents.
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post Apr 3 2013, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Apr 3 2013, 05:52 PM)
How to predict? Drop 1.8% before lunch, and climbed backed up after 4.00pm to 0.02% gain.

To make a switch, you need to do it before 4.00pm.

If we want to hold local funds, we have to believe in the economy of the country in the long term... so maybe top-up in small portions regularly, maybe double the top-up when there's a dip.

The one thing for sure, at the moment, is that the stock markets in the region (Sin, Thai, Indo & Mal) is high. Will they drop? Possible. Will they go further up? Possible.

So far, the outlook is up. Thai is above 1500... some say it will hit 1700 at the end of the year.

Same with Mal... now above 1650, can easily break 1700... maybe will even break 2000 eventually before gold hits 2000/oz.  biggrin.gif
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I'm not predicting, just my agent urged me to switch the fund hmm.gif as i believe the value of the fund(PRSF) may as well goes up which I dont need to cut the loss rclxms.gif
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post Apr 5 2013, 03:03 PM

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As if i need money as in 2 years time, should i let me DDI continue to go on or just stop it then let the value goes up ? blink.gif
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post Apr 5 2013, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Apr 5 2013, 03:18 PM)
In my opinion, if the value is low (low like <20K), let build up the capital first through DDI. Then, it will make more sense to have a ratio portfolio and then thinking about switching.

If you already plan to use the money in 2 years time, I think that money not suitable for unit trust/equity. It might suitable for bond funds. Then, when need money in emergency, if value is not right, low loaded unit/bonds fund can be use first.

The logic is, most of the time, bonds fund (Malaysia case) doesn't really fluctuate during economic crisis.
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thanks for the advice, notworthy.gif currently i have 2 equity funds(PRSF,PISEF) and 1 bond(PISBF), according to my agent, he wants me to get another fund (PFSF), but I think i will switch to another investment instrument(property), so from your advice i should switch all to bond fund ? rclxub.gif

I switch because I dont really quite understand unit trust, i am doing decision based on my agent sweat.gif
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post Apr 10 2013, 03:48 PM

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By the way, is it when you want to know how's the fund price for today, you have to wait until late night like 8pm then can know the price? or is there any other way to monitor it live?
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post Apr 10 2013, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Apr 10 2013, 03:58 PM)
@lazybump_nonsense
there's no way to monitor it live. end of day, only then they calculate for that day price.

even for some funds, especially non-local fund, we need to wait for another extra day for the price to be known since other country might have different  trading time.
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I see, but then how's agents monitor the fund price? He can tell me that the fund is going up/down before the closing time. Is it the agents monitoring the stock market?
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post Apr 11 2013, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Apr 10 2013, 10:09 PM)
maybe he/she monitor the fund benchmark.

as for our local fund, KLCI or FBM Top 100 can be monitor live, and could well give us first clue either our fund going to be red or green that day.

Like today, KLCI +5 point,FBM Top 100 +37 point,  we can expect our local fund is going to be green.

But today, our FBM Smallcap is -26 and we can expect our related fund to be on red today.  Public Smallcap today price still not out yet, but you can always check it later.
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thank you very much for the explanation smile.gif
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post Apr 22 2013, 11:12 AM

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Hi all, on feb 13 i already canceled 1 my fund's auto debit, but on this month april, the auto debit started itself, why is it like that?
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post Apr 24 2013, 05:08 PM

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anyone here using DDI/RRI ? is it a good tactic in Public Mutual ?
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post Apr 25 2013, 10:36 AM

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so what tactic normally people using? Top-up monthly thru DDI?
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post Sep 18 2013, 09:15 PM

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Hi, some questions to ask and I hope Sifus here can help me out. My funds(add all together) right now is in a loss stat of 200+,because of the cost averaging technique I am using .. I wish to withdraw the money for other purposes later .. Can't confirm when yet.. What shall I do now to cut the loses or even gain from it ? I realized that I using the wrong investment tool/technique to park my money >.<
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post Sep 19 2013, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Sep 18 2013, 09:29 PM)
not a sifu here,
but just want to know when you start this investment and what technique that you did wrong?
maybe if you clarify further will help get a better answer?

also, when you said that you plan to withdraw, may I know the timeframe, just estimation?
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When started: About a year or two. Not really sure but definitely more than a year(i know the time frame is 3 years minimum)

What technique : Using Cost averaging technique, I should've use lump sum I think, or rather use FD because time frame is short.

When to withdraw : within 12 months I think?


*not very good in mutual fund because I can't really control it and I don't know what homework I should do >.<

This post has been edited by lazybump_nonsense: Sep 19 2013, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 19 2013, 04:33 PM)
your funds added up now losing 200+.....and you wish to sell them within 12 months right?
what funds did you buy?
what are they?
mind to share?
when was the last time you did the DCA? on EQ or FI funds?
need more info for the other SIFUs to easily advise "What shall I do now to cut the loses or even gain from it ?"

with limited info provided by you and with FED withholding QE tapering for now.......i think you got a good chance or recovering your lost 200+ (if you stop the DCA on PM EQ funds (5.5% SC is HIGH))......just observe it till November...if got gain RM10 sell all lor.
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PISEF,PISBF and PFSF. Currently PISEF and PISBF is in profit stat while PFSF is losing about 300. I doing DCA on every 8th and 18th....

QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 19 2013, 05:33 PM)
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don't be lazy lah...  smile.gif  read some of my previous posts, especially the one on being 'winners' and YTD. You already loose money the moment you bought in, whether DCA or not. (After paying the service charge.)

It is very likely you are getting some returns if you really did DCA regularly for the past 1 or 2 years; as market trend was up. That is, if you do not add in the service charges.

Lump sum investment for a short term: if you want to take the risk and want to gamble a bit for extraordinary returns, YES! But not here, the entry cost is too high. Look elsewhere where the service charges is 1 or 2 percent.

What you can do is:
1) lock in some profits the next several days as the market is starting to rebound, by switching to a money market fund.

2) stay invested and don't have to redeem all if you don't need all of the money.
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I need the money for other purposes. That's why I plan to do so >.< if not I also won't take it out. Probably lazy, lack of knowledge in this field >.< Actually, I was planning for other investment tool, just wanted to park my money in UT here for a minimum of 3 years, but i realize that from the statistic, from the approach my agent used, it wouldn't let me got some gain after 3 years as well.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 19 2013, 07:07 PM)
you are planning to take out in 12 months, are you going to continue the DCA on every 8th and 18th? pls do consider the sales charges...
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so you suggest me to stop the DDI right?

QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 19 2013, 08:21 PM)
Back to School.

Some of the recent newbie posts got me thinking about DCA and DDI. (Dollar Cost Average and Direct Debit Instruction.) What are they? Any difference between them?

DCA is a good investment tactic. You can google and read all about it in the investopedia site. Here's the link. http://www.investopedia.com/articles/stocks/07/dcavsva.asp

DCA is a proven tactic. Lump sum investment is only good if 'timing the market' is done right. But what went wrong, or rather why the wrong perception that it is not a good investment tactic?

First, maybe it was not done correctly.

An initial investment is a minimum of $1000. Subsequent monthly re-investments or DDI could be as low as $100. Can it be said DCA was applied in this case? Remember what the 3rd letter stands for? "A" stands for "AVERAGE". So clearly in this case, it will take a longer time to "average" out the initial investment.

A true DCA should work equally well whether the market is going up or down.

In the pseudo DCA with a much larger initial investment, the raw perception of it would be that it is better in a uptrend than in a downtrend; while in reality it is better in a downtrend. (Please pause here, and you should see it is usually better to buy in a downtrend...)

Secondly, it is too soon to tell whether the tactic really works within a year. Especially if using the pseudo DCA with a much larger initial investment. DCA investing is laying down the ground work, it will take some time for the seeds sown to grow and bear fruits.

Thirdly, maybe the maths on the ROI (Return of Investment) was wrong.

The market index went up 5%, so the fund underperformed with ROI of 2.5%? Time to switch to a better fund?

But what if I tell you I calculated the ROI inclusive of the service charge? And furthermore, what if I started the fund less than 8 months ago? And on top of that, it was a lump sum into a money market fund before I "DCA" it to the equity fund 4 months ago. The ROI of 2.5% is not good (as it is lesser than FD) and should switch into another "better" fund?

Cheers. Happy hunting!

P.S. Actually, most of us are doing some sort of VCA (Value Cost Averaging or Value Averaging) without knowing it!
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