Aug 12 2012, 03:23 PM
QUOTE(mat79 @ Aug 12 2012, 10:55 AM)
I know this is quite boring, but just to share some info on ride n handling. But this is just basic, and it is really deep, n not as easy as changing shock absorber. Suddenly want to share it coz reading some members mentioning about gen2 is better handling than preve n somebody mentioned also about rims probs n blaming the ride n handling.
Iinm, ground clearance is the same in gen2@preve, the diff is the seating arrangement which low in gen2, n high in preve since preve derived from exora n focusing on comfort daily drive rather than prepared seat on a track day.
Dont want to touch on torsion beam setup, but more on multilink which available in waja, gen2, neo, persona n preve which related to lotus n proton ride n handling.
Basically it touches on 3 main parts which is steering, handling and ride quality. Every part divided into another 3 sub components.
For steering, it has steering effort, steering response and steering linearity.
For handling, handling straight line, handling cornering and handling lane change@stability.
For ride quality, it comprises ride quality body control, ride quality wheel control and ride comfort.
In all 5, waja is the most inferior between neo, gen2, persona and preve but still one of better in its price segment during that time. Waja suffering on ride quality, thats why when cps model came up, the tyre profile has been change a bit to improve that area.Let alone neo cps (the best in handling department as standard model) coz its 2 door warm hatch, focusing on family sedan as gen2, persona n preve.
First, talking about gen2 n persona. Gen2 did edge persona interm of handling cornering and handling lane change@stability, but even loosing in that area, persona has advantage over gen2 on ride quality body control and ride comfort. This is because, gen2 is set up to have a sportier drive while persona is focusing on improve what gen2 lost which is comfort. Even with the same platform, doesnt mean cant change the ride n handling characteristics.
While ride n handling team really had a headache, how to surpass the previous model, by changing from torsion beam setup from the donor platform, and make it multilink based. As original platform in exora, the setup is not that bad, only loose a bit on steering linearity n handling lane change to waja, but has excellent ride quality which qualify its purpose as family courier.
But,its not enough, objective is to improve it, make it better than previous ride n handling set up, and if cant, maintaining the best in each area. Must remember, still have limitation on cost coz this is not super car@ super luxury car, just a c segment car within price range of b segment car.
In balancing out all 3 aspects, they manage to mix all the best on previous setup in one package, only loose a bit, just a bit in handling lane change@stability to neo cps.
So, rest assure that preve has every best setup from previous platform. Imho, it just the comfort setting in seat ergonomic design make some feel gen2 is stable, and preve is quite tall(the height, not ground clearance) that make it feel less stable than gen2 where actually not.
Sorry for boring topic, just feel want to share something. Sorry coz some info just using layman term coz just convey some of it from what i get from my friends.
Thats all achieve by using gt radial tyre, n u know, how much better it can improve by simply changing it to superior rubber as goodyear eagle f1 or mich ps3 or even r3 favourite rubber.
Bye.
actually i feel preve unstable than Gen 2 when cruise in high speed...which is feel like the car is melayang more than gen 2 especially when speeding at curve highway..i dont know about new gen2 is which CPS...thats is my 2 years experience with my previous 2005 Highline Gen 2...and i just assume tht the preve is more tall than gen 2 tht WHY preve not stable as gen 2..the tall case is only my assumption..not 100% true..Iinm, ground clearance is the same in gen2@preve, the diff is the seating arrangement which low in gen2, n high in preve since preve derived from exora n focusing on comfort daily drive rather than prepared seat on a track day.
Dont want to touch on torsion beam setup, but more on multilink which available in waja, gen2, neo, persona n preve which related to lotus n proton ride n handling.
Basically it touches on 3 main parts which is steering, handling and ride quality. Every part divided into another 3 sub components.
For steering, it has steering effort, steering response and steering linearity.
For handling, handling straight line, handling cornering and handling lane change@stability.
For ride quality, it comprises ride quality body control, ride quality wheel control and ride comfort.
In all 5, waja is the most inferior between neo, gen2, persona and preve but still one of better in its price segment during that time. Waja suffering on ride quality, thats why when cps model came up, the tyre profile has been change a bit to improve that area.Let alone neo cps (the best in handling department as standard model) coz its 2 door warm hatch, focusing on family sedan as gen2, persona n preve.
First, talking about gen2 n persona. Gen2 did edge persona interm of handling cornering and handling lane change@stability, but even loosing in that area, persona has advantage over gen2 on ride quality body control and ride comfort. This is because, gen2 is set up to have a sportier drive while persona is focusing on improve what gen2 lost which is comfort. Even with the same platform, doesnt mean cant change the ride n handling characteristics.
While ride n handling team really had a headache, how to surpass the previous model, by changing from torsion beam setup from the donor platform, and make it multilink based. As original platform in exora, the setup is not that bad, only loose a bit on steering linearity n handling lane change to waja, but has excellent ride quality which qualify its purpose as family courier.
But,its not enough, objective is to improve it, make it better than previous ride n handling set up, and if cant, maintaining the best in each area. Must remember, still have limitation on cost coz this is not super car@ super luxury car, just a c segment car within price range of b segment car.
In balancing out all 3 aspects, they manage to mix all the best on previous setup in one package, only loose a bit, just a bit in handling lane change@stability to neo cps.
So, rest assure that preve has every best setup from previous platform. Imho, it just the comfort setting in seat ergonomic design make some feel gen2 is stable, and preve is quite tall(the height, not ground clearance) that make it feel less stable than gen2 where actually not.
Sorry for boring topic, just feel want to share something. Sorry coz some info just using layman term coz just convey some of it from what i get from my friends.
Thats all achieve by using gt radial tyre, n u know, how much better it can improve by simply changing it to superior rubber as goodyear eagle f1 or mich ps3 or even r3 favourite rubber.
Bye.
my other experience with my sibling car :
my second brother own a 2002 Waja (mitsu engine) - comfort - yes more than gen 2, stable at high speed? par or a bit more stable than Gen 2
my third brother own a 2008 Persona (campro iafm engine) - comfort , stable at high speed? less if compare to gen 2..
This post has been edited by diadokmai: Aug 12 2012, 03:29 PM
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