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post Feb 10 2015, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Feb 10 2015, 09:17 AM)
Yeap.  thumbup.gif
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dang i never would have thought... so the fun factor of RWD (or so they say anyways, as that's the only hype for the gt86) is worth ditching the power from turbocharged AWD?
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post Feb 10 2015, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Feb 10 2015, 03:31 PM)
I've been driving turbos for 15 years now and yes I do miss the low end torque. The fun factor of the RWD is not what most people think it is.... it's something else altogether...

I've been learning the characteristics of the car with the traction control full on and almost every hard corner I do, the TC lights up on the dashboard telling me that the car is keeping me away from the kerb. Then there is the 'hero' mode.... or sports mode where the traction control is partially off. It lets the rear loose a little and then TC takes control to make me look like I'm doing the correction but actually just straightening out the steering without any counter steering required. Yeah.. makes me look like a hero.  rclxms.gif Then there is full TC off which I won't even want to talk about on public roads.

What I consider as the real fun factor.. is the height (or the lack of it). What I can say is that pictures of the car does it very little justice. From pictures, most people have the Zed (350/370) or Supra in mind when comparing but when you stand next to the car you'd realise how low it is. That is the real fun factor and worth paying every penny for it. Even the Celica stands almost 2.5 inches taller. Nothing is this low at that price (except for the iconic S2K).

The low center of gravity is no hype. It's damn real and damn fun. I'm cornering it harder than my scooby and I'm getting the tingly sensation back on my fingers after a hard drive, something i haven't felt in a long while.

I've grown out of the straight line power and yes, it was worth ditching the turbocharged AWD.
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damn after reading your reply, you've got me a bit poisoned, as i am planning a future (5-6 years later) purchase of a Turbo AWD (WRX STI perhaps? not sure if Subaru still releasing new ones after the 2015) and it seems like i may have to rethink my direction?

the thing is, after driving NA for so long, turbo is a very tempting thing that i've always wanted to try, and yea the whole power out of the straight line when the turbo spools up is something a NA can never do and no matter how hard i try to corner, once the straights at Sepang hits, i'm eating dusts from pretty much any turbo charged cars sad.gif

btw considering the GT86 and BRZ is practically the same thing, i could just get away with the BRZ anyways right? (slight anti toyota LOL! i blame LYN)
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post Feb 10 2015, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Feb 10 2015, 04:22 PM)
I'm going full circle from NA FF to FI FF to FI AWD to NA RWD (maybe later finally to FI RWD). With the latest Ford Focus RS in Turbo AWD form, you can be assured to find more Turbo AWD in the future. If you never owned an FI, then you should have one. Maybe in your future planning you can do both. They might end up putting in a turbo into the BRZ.

You are also comparing a situation where power is important. Sepang. Half the battle is won on power over there. If you take the old Batu Tiga or Pasir Gudang track, power does not come in play so much.

People say it needs more power. Yes, sure we can live with more power but that means fat tyres in the rear. Fat means more traction and less time for TC to correct. When TC kicks in, you lose power anyway and it is wasted. The fun factor is not the all out tail out Initial D style driving. That's not fun.. that's scary. The fun is in hero mode where the tail tucks out a little each time you corner and it does not have to be a hard corner. Even coming out of a junction I can make the tail wiggle and knowing that TC is there to fix it when it wiggles too much. That is the fun part.

They say the car comes with skinny tyres but it is the same size tyre that Subaru put on my WRX 15 years ago. Skinny compared to the fat 235s and 245s but the skinny tyre makes it much easier for the TC to wiggle the rear without working overtime.
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now that you mentioned the Ford focus RS...
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but hey, at least there's going to be a lot more choice (which would make my life/decision harded LOL!)
thanks for the encouragement btw, i'm definitely looking to that direction, but of course will keep an eye on the BRZ wink.gif

and i really like the half ESP mode that you've been enjoying a TON.
the Subaru WRX STI also have that feature, im not sure if you've driven the new 2015 STI, regardless are you able to comment on it/compare it if possible?

and yea i have no qualms on skinny tires, so long it works. nod.gif
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post Feb 10 2015, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Feb 10 2015, 07:26 PM)
You mean in Trac mode? Guess what, my old Scooby had no traction control whatsoever, just a simple AWD and even with that, it was pretty 'drama-less'. The tail is not going to come out as the car is being pulled (front wheel) and pushed (rear wheel) at the same time. The moment you put power on front wheels, it reduces it's ability to steer and it will go wide slightly. The only time I can ever get the tail out is at a U-Turn with wet roads or in very lose gravel. Even then, the car doesn't like to do it.

So whether with traction control on or off, it is very difficult to get AWDs to slip and slide on dry tarmac. Why do you think all the fancy Subaru ads are done sideways with plenty of dust and loose gravel?  tongue.gif

You'd have to be driving at some insane speeds on dry tarmac to wiggle any AWD. It just has too much traction.
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i've yet to drive a AWD car to its limits before and even on those times i've test driven it is on public roads so my experience are very limited.

so based on your feedback, as opposed to FF/AWD, RWD/FR is the car to get if you're aiming for fun/driving pleasure? (probably why cars like bmw has that tag line of "ultimate driving machine"?)

fun is one thing, that may not necessarily be the best thing to have (since not everyone is a good driver myself included) if your aim is for lap times at Sepang, right?
however with the newer STI having DCCD and the ability to lock it to 100% RWD, wouldn't it sorta mimic something that's similar to the GT86?
or it doesn't even come close?

and now that you mentioned on those ads... rofl.

i dunno, a LOT of people are on endless pursuit for traction and suddenly it seems like a bad thing from the posts you've made haha.
your feedback of the 86 definitely shed a lot of light as i've previously disregard it entirely considering it's pricing in Malaysia.

say, if i insist on a new car, there's just no way for the 86? (since it's just not worth it at all for the pricing it is asking in Malaysia)
then again, for new sports cars in Malaysia, the pricing being demanded is just a little absurd.
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post Feb 11 2015, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Feb 10 2015, 08:54 PM)
One correction. The DCCD does not lock to full RWD. The DCCD provides a manual bias for your torque split, practically you can sort of adjust how you want it to react but you don't actually have full control. Hence the word bias instead of the word control. Even for 2015 STi the split is up to 41:59.

Like I said, in Sepang, the battle is half won with a powerful car. It is up to you to lose by screwing up the corners. Going sideways through corners isn't exactly the fastest way to do it.

There is no wrong in the endless pursuit of traction but it is not fun. Every Subaru driver out there can tell you that they have that little extra grin on their faces when it rains heavily while we are on the road. While most people dread driving in those conditions, it gives us a chance to wiggle around in the rain, something we don't get to do on dry roads.

I don't consider myself a pro driver either which is why the TC hasn't been fully turned off. I won't do that on public roads.

As I have also mentioned in a previous reply here, I would get the Porsche if I had the money for the best of both worlds but looking at my little car, it is the next best thing that only cost a Camry. There is of course the S2K but even with money, is hard to find.

Here is something for you to ponder. For 2.5 years since the launch of the 86 (yes, it has been 2.5 years) I have always written it off until I sat in one. Took 5 seconds for it to change my 2.5 years of thinking. That was the effect of the 86.
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ah i didn't know about that, thanks for clarifying.
so you still won't be able to fake a RWD car from an AWD sad.gif

and ya pretty much what you said about Sepang/Subaru/Rain.

S2k, money aside, it's near impossible to find a good condition car in bone stock. they are all modified one way or another, needless to say about trashing or even crashing it.

and yea, 2.5 years i've never really looked at the 86 much mainly because of the pricing, and 2.5 years ago i am much poorer than i am today (that's not to say i'm that far better off today, my bank's still dead broke every month rofl) which puts the 86 pretty much in an "impossible position/goal", not even getting towards worthiness/practicality/feasibility of it.
5 seconds to change 2.5 years eh, that's some pretty damn strong effect icon_question.gif

thanks again for all the feedback, for the time being it's best perhaps i stay away from that car sweat.gif
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post Feb 18 2015, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Feb 18 2015, 12:32 PM)
GT Limited comes with spoiler (as found on the BRZ) and half Alcantara leather seats.

You can find the full specs and differences on the internet.
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BRZ only 1 spec?
motor image only 1, and looks like no longer selling anyways :/
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post Feb 18 2015, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Feb 18 2015, 12:58 PM)
Yes, BRZ only one spec.
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http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/brz/models-specs.html
how are they coming out with "all new 2015" (i really hate car manufacturers blindly using "all new lol") and theres like 2 specs (i guess. more towards trim level)

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post Sep 26 2016, 01:21 PM

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sleepwalker bro, If you don't mind sharing (or pm, yes I remember you mentioned it before but can't seem to find back that post sad.gif), how much you gotten your car for? Was it Un reg or recond (what's the difference again? Lol) /what year was it?

How's the loan /repayment like?

I'm kinda looking at the mx-5/86/brz as overall maintenance should be much cheaper compared to an AWD turbo. And you did sold your AWD turbo for this so you can say I got somewhat inspired by you la tongue.gif

Besides, buying these sorta "cold door" cars in a way seemed easier (and cheaper) than the common AWD turbo WRX STI/evo 's as they are modded to oblivion and finding a stock car is either impossible or crazy expensive cry.gif
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post Dec 8 2017, 11:16 AM

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sleepwalker
years passed since you've poisoned me greatly on getting a 86.
i am finally taking that step on a recond 86 and expecting next week collect car.
not sure if i'm ready to own one such vehicle as financing wise its all a little on the borderline quite frankly sweat.gif

hopefully as time passes i'll be fully ready/things to improve over my income/financial management.

Btw there are some oil leaks on the bottom of the car that was discovered via stains on the skid plate, so Tom's (Vision affiliated workshop, where i bought my recond from basically)
Do you know anything about it/is your car also experiencing/experienced similar or same issue?
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post Dec 8 2017, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Dec 8 2017, 11:27 AM)
Congrats on your purchase bro!  rclxms.gif
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post Dec 9 2017, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Dec 8 2017, 07:23 PM)
Please put up some photos once you get it.  smile.gif  What color and what year is it?
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Let me collect car first lol

Blue 2013
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post Dec 11 2017, 05:23 AM

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hmm considering the lack of first page info, i've been digging around owner manuals and recommendations etc and come up with this maintenance interval list:

Engine Oil Change: 8k km or 6 months
Differential oil: 30k km or 3 years

Brake and clutch fluids: 40k km or 2 years

Air filter element: 40k km or 3 years
Gear oil: 50k km or 3 years

Coolant: 80k km or 4 years

Spark plugs: 100k km or 5 years

please help comment for any improvements/suggestions notworthy.gif
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post Dec 15 2017, 02:43 AM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Dec 8 2017, 07:23 PM)
Please put up some photos once you get it.  smile.gif
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post Dec 15 2017, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 15 2017, 10:42 AM)
kagoiii very leng. congrats man dream car
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Thank you

Btw What's bolded?
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post Dec 15 2017, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Dec 15 2017, 11:44 AM)
Congrats again on your new ride.

Just curious, between the BRZ and 86, what made you err towards the 86?
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thanks bro!

my number plate and birth year.
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post Dec 15 2017, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(ktek @ Dec 15 2017, 12:56 PM)
kakkoi, hou yao yeng ah
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post Dec 15 2017, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(versey @ Dec 15 2017, 01:10 PM)
bro, very nice car indeed. now u can drift. laugh.gif
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Thanks bro
And no la, not interested in drifting lol

QUOTE(6UE5T @ Dec 15 2017, 01:24 PM)
Very nice!  :thumbsup:
Hopefully unlike your previous car, this one lasts ya.  smile.gif
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post Dec 15 2017, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Dec 15 2017, 01:58 PM)
oh....i thought got some special unique differences that only enthusiasts know....

mana tau mainly because of "fate"  laugh.gif

Nice colour choice  :thumbsup:
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Ya pretty much cuz of "fate" lol

Thanks, my gf's the one who picked the color
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post Jan 10 2018, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(jimmylkw86 @ Jan 10 2018, 11:52 AM)
May i know the common problem of this car? What the bank interest rate for sport car?
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No specific common problems, standard NA sports coupe maintenance.

Interests not the main concern, your loan amount and approval.
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post Feb 8 2018, 04:00 AM

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QUOTE(-Aktan- @ Feb 7 2018, 10:12 PM)
Hi bro.. just wanna ask, this pic is with c30 tint already?
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Pure glass only without tint

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