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TSdishwasher
post Jul 25 2012, 04:09 PM, updated 14y ago

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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6147177211

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post Jul 25 2012, 04:23 PM

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His post contains 2 stupids.

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Solution: Release Ladder, with no RMAH and no GAH. The bartering system, while primitive, seems to avoid all the problems of the AH system.

AH will just be driven into non-official sites just like D2, where people get scammed.

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Before they doubled it, it was probably possible to beat the game with 98/99 gear. So it might take a few days to farm the top 1%/2% gear, but you can do it without much sweat. But once they "doubled it," instead of being able to beat the game with 98/99 gear, you must do it with 99.99 or 99.999 gear, the top 0.01% or 0.001% gear.

You can beat the game with 98/99. Many of us LYNers have done so before 1.03
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post Jul 25 2012, 04:23 PM

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You paid USD60 for a farming simulator and an ebay-alike training material.
Buy 1 get 2, isn't that nice?
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post Jul 25 2012, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 25 2012, 04:23 PM)
You can beat the game with 98/99. Many of us LYNers have done so before 1.03
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True. But think of it this way. Diablo games were always about the item hunt. Look at D2. Unless you're years into the game, you always had the chance of finding something good. I did Mephisto runs for years in college, and there was always an excitement to getting rares/uniques - there was always a chance something was useful for one of my characters.

D3 is 2 months old and I can barely find upgrades anymore. The focus has turned into getting items to sell for a bit of gold, and accumulating enough to get an upgrade off the AH.
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post Jul 25 2012, 04:33 PM

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gosh lol idiotic players are aplenty on US bnet forums eh? cant say we have lesser here either lol

the ONLY problems D3 had was the impatient AND idiotic player pool it had, and releasing a beta as a finished game. Oh yeah lets not forget greed god actiblizz /endstory

ppl who are blaming a game's trade platform which player has a CHOICE not to use are just hilarious.
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post Jul 25 2012, 04:40 PM

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I guess you guys don't agree then. Oh well. Can't win em all.
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post Jul 25 2012, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Jul 25 2012, 04:29 PM)
True. But think of it this way. Diablo games were always about the item hunt. Look at D2. Unless you're years into the game, you always had the chance of finding something good. I did Mephisto runs for years in college, and there was always an excitement to getting rares/uniques - there was always a chance something was useful for one of my characters.

D3 is 2 months old and I can barely find upgrades anymore. The focus has turned into getting items to sell for a bit of gold, and accumulating enough to get an upgrade off the AH.
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Agree, you hit it right on the nail. AH allowed people shortcut the whole gearing up process where you're supposed to slowly find new upgrades, and be happy.

D3 was designed so that it would take months for bad players like me to finish Inferno. Heck I was stuck in D2 nightmare for months and never got out. But in D3 thanks to AH, I spent my 2m+ to buy some gears, and then cleared Inferno pre-1.03 with those gears.
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post Jul 25 2012, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Jul 25 2012, 04:40 PM)
I guess you guys don't agree then. Oh well. Can't win em all.
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* Thus they feel they cannot upgrade on their own. They feel forced to use the AH, which leads to a vicious cycle. Once you use the AH, you are enslaved to it.

in his own words, he already stated the EXACT reason why ppl used AH, its their choice to use it or not, so when they decide to use it, why blame the system when its your own choice?

i have repeated this alot of time already lol, some players just dont get it

actiblizz beta game release problem aside ok, ALL the rest of the issues that grew out were due to the fact that players MADE their own choices HOW they want to play the game.

for example, botting, AH flipping, buying the top tier gears they could find available on RMAH.

actiblizz didnt point a gun at you to use the AH system, you pointed the gun at yourself, and you are blaming the company, so yea lol
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post Jul 25 2012, 04:50 PM

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It's funny to see how much time they spent writing such posts rather than figuring out how to beat the game
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post Jul 25 2012, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 25 2012, 04:49 PM)
in his own words, he already stated the EXACT reason why ppl used AH, its their choice to use it or not, so when they decide to use it, why blame the system when its your own choice?

i have repeated this alot of time already lol, some players just dont get it

actiblizz beta game release problem aside ok, ALL the rest of the issues that grew out were due to the fact that players MADE their own choices HOW they want to play the game.

for example, botting, AH flipping, buying the top tier gears they could find available on RMAH.

actiblizz didnt point a gun at you to use the AH system, you pointed the gun at yourself, and you are blaming the company, so yea lol
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The part where it becomes "forced" is not Blizzard pointing a gun to your head, but the difficulty curve of pre-1.03.

You farm easier content to gear up to progression content. Farm Act 1 to clear Act 2, farm Molten Core to go Blackwing Lair. But Act 2 was such an insane leap of difficulty, then you found the lv61 stuff you get from Butchers runs are completely inadequate against Act 2. Do you remember those 500dps lv61 weapons in the 1st week of release and thought they were awesome? Well they do nothing against pre-1.03 Act 2 mobs. Farming Act 1 over and over will not help you beat Act 2. So here comes the "forced" part, people turn to AH to get Act 2 progression gear.
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post Jul 25 2012, 04:58 PM

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need good gear to finish the game. pppfffftt
Athene would laugh at it.


yes, i believe it takes skill. Unless you want to be farmer, then go ahead and get good gears.
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post Jul 25 2012, 05:00 PM

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American based forums...full of idiots whining about the game difficulty and drop rates lol
IMO the Inferno nerf really killed the game for me...I don't even play D3 now...no challenge, no PvP play for what...playing RMAH instead

I don't blame Blizz for nerfing Inferno though...since their major player base is made up of mostly idiots that whines how hard Nightmare mode is.
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 25 2012, 04:56 PM)
The part where it becomes "forced" is not Blizzard pointing a gun to your head, but the difficulty curve of pre-1.03.

You farm easier content to gear up to progression content. Farm Act 1 to clear Act 2, farm Molten Core to go Blackwing Lair. But Act 2 was such an insane leap of difficulty, then you found the lv61 stuff you get from Butchers runs are completely inadequate against Act 2. Do you remember those 500dps lv61 weapons in the 1st week of release and thought they were awesome? Well they do nothing against pre-1.03 Act 2 mobs. Farming Act 1 over and over will not help you beat Act 2. So here comes the "forced" part, people turn to AH to get Act 2 progression gear.
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true about the progression part, the difficulty gap was designed in a weird way that seemed impossible, BUT, its the final difficulty lvl inferno, so does making it easier WILL improve the gameplay or not? you decide, before the 1.0.3 patch, a minority of ppl were ALREADY farming act4 inferno, so why do they have an advantage over the majority that couldnt? food for thought bro.

AH was there as an OPTION for players to take the highway to the end. Not a neccesity.

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post Jul 25 2012, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 25 2012, 04:56 PM)
The part where it becomes "forced" is not Blizzard pointing a gun to your head, but the difficulty curve of pre-1.03.

You farm easier content to gear up to progression content. Farm Act 1 to clear Act 2, farm Molten Core to go Blackwing Lair. But Act 2 was such an insane leap of difficulty, then you found the lv61 stuff you get from Butchers runs are completely inadequate against Act 2. Do you remember those 500dps lv61 weapons in the 1st week of release and thought they were awesome? Well they do nothing against pre-1.03 Act 2 mobs. Farming Act 1 over and over will not help you beat Act 2. So here comes the "forced" part, people turn to AH to get Act 2 progression gear.
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Yes, I saw a couple of posts in BNet that outlined this as well.

In D2, you could continually farm Act 1 to progress in Act 2.
In D3, you had to farm Act 2 for gear to progress through Act 2. Which essentially forms now famous 'Wall'.

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 25 2012, 05:00 PM)
true about the progression part, the difficulty gap was designed in a weird way that seemed impossible, BUT, its the final difficulty lvl inferno, so does making it easier WILL improve the gameplay or not? you decide, before the 1.0.3 patch, a minority of ppl were ALREADY farming act4 inferno, so why do they have an advantage over the majority that couldnt? food for thought bro.

AH was there as an OPTION for players to take the highway to the end. Not a neccesity.
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And do you remember how those gears got into the AH if the difficulty spike was so large that it was supposedly unfarmable?

Underbridge, chest exploits, goblin resets, 3 second SS, mantra of healing, Tyreal. Even Kripp was doing goblin runs for days nonstop.

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jul 25 2012, 05:01 PM)
Yes, I saw a couple of posts in BNet that outlined this as well.

In D2, you could continually farm Act 1 to progress in Act 2.
In D3, you had to farm Act 2 for gear to progress through Act 2. Which essentially forms now famous 'Wall'.
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Exactly! I bought lv62 gears form AH so I won't get one-shotted in a content that drops lv62 laugh.gif
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Jul 25 2012, 05:01 PM)
Yes, I saw a couple of posts in BNet that outlined this as well.

In D2, you could continually farm Act 1 to progress in Act 2.
In D3, you had to farm Act 2 for gear to progress through Act 2. Which essentially forms now famous 'Wall'.
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D2 had Pandemonium Event, Ladder System, much higher lvl cap to keep the game going

D3 end game is "The Wall". Remove that, whats left of D3? Answer is RMAH lol...play to earn.
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post Jul 25 2012, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 25 2012, 05:07 PM)
And do you remember how those gears got into the AH if the difficulty spike was so large that it was supposedly unfarmable?

Underbridge, chest exploits, goblin resets, 3 second SS, mantra of healing, Tyreal. Even Kripp was doing goblin runs for days nonstop.
Exactly! I bought lv62 gears  form AH so I won't get one-shotted in a content that drops lv62 laugh.gif
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they removed it and replaced it with what we have now, which was EXACTLY what majority of the complainers wanted, an EASIER inferno, and look at what we have now, do you still think it was worth it?

players fail to notice what they request comes with deeper chain consequences if they do not think thoroughly on what they are really actually requesting, developers are just feeding the requests for more cashflow, who is there to blame but ourselves?

it took them around a year to build act1, and players rushed the development coz they were afraid to wait another 3 more years of development, thats why when u play u will feel act1 is actually more developed and longer than the later acts, heck as u progress, u will feel those surroundings that enable you to trap kill mobs designs were getting lesser till none

im not even defending the game or company, heck im actually still waiting for them to redeem themselves, but if players keep whining & complain without thinking these critical problems thru and its TRUE cause of problem, actiblizzard will just keep spoonfeeding whatever bullshit the masses want and trust me, they have nothing to lose.
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I think Act 4 is the only one that feels underbaked. hmm.gif

Act 2 and 3 are pretty nice and loaded with events.
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post Jul 26 2012, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jul 25 2012, 04:56 PM)
The part where it becomes "forced" is not Blizzard pointing a gun to your head, but the difficulty curve of pre-1.03.

You farm easier content to gear up to progression content. Farm Act 1 to clear Act 2, farm Molten Core to go Blackwing Lair. But Act 2 was such an insane leap of difficulty, then you found the lv61 stuff you get from Butchers runs are completely inadequate against Act 2. Do you remember those 500dps lv61 weapons in the 1st week of release and thought they were awesome? Well they do nothing against pre-1.03 Act 2 mobs. Farming Act 1 over and over will not help you beat Act 2. So here comes the "forced" part, people turn to AH to get Act 2 progression gear.
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i agree ^ . Thats exactly what is wrong with the pre 1.03 and pretty much done purposely by blizzard to push players to the AH market. Act1's ilvl61 gears would not cut it especially if you're melee in act2. In fact so many of us was forced to reroll into a range class to farm act3 to finance our melee toons stuck in act2.

This post has been edited by geno: Jul 26 2012, 10:04 AM
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The one at the Battlenet forum started off the thread with 2 stupid questions.
"Why am I not finding upgrades?"
"Why am I forced to use the AH to progress?"

Where did those god-like gears come from? Where did the sellers got it? I know a friend who got a Stormshield from farming.
AH is one of the ways to get the gears. It is optional. Stop using AH and continue farming for gears (like we did in D1 and D2) if one doesn't feel like using AH.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Jul 26 2012, 10:11 AM

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