Yes, they invite u drink at SB, but they did not buy the drink. They did not even drinks by itself.

Hi All,

Just wondering, I have also joined McOcean last year (somewhere in Nov'17) but only managed to pay less than RM1k (due tom some reasons I told them and they seem okay about it) and signed for the membership form. However, I didn't make it for M&U session. In this case, do I still need to terminate the membership? Or should I just ignore the termination?

Do not pay anything extra anymore...$ 1.9k plus are actually products from your introducer. ...terminate within 180 days.. Quickly call to office make appointment for withdrawal. Trust your instincts . Do not make others suffer of debts..remember!

Will they charge me if I do not terminate within 180 days? I don't recall seeing any clause for penalties charges for termination on the signed form.
Yes I told myself not to be dumb anymore and lesson learned

I asked them how the business work, they told me they sell the product to customer.

What do u mean by maintenance? buying their product?

Here is My Experience in Mc Ocean and no longer with it. 

😡 Dishonest Recruiting Techniques

- Psychological/emotional manipulation: Keeping and recording sensitive and personal information like salary, family situation, health insurance, etc about new prospects so that they can attack our "soft points". They call it 'planning' but it is actually MANIPULATION, because they know how to persuade or convince someone to join the business by targeting our weaknesses. They also say it's 'helping people' but in actuality they're TAKING ADVANTAGE of people who are desperate or in a bad place in their lives at the moment, giving us false promises of good income and community support.

-In my case, I already left my job (company wasn't doing well) to do Uber, and they took advantage of my situation to bring me into this scam business, and now my situation is worse off than before! I was brought in by my friend (Ex collegue), annoying invitations on activities (Badminton, Futsal.....Dinners, Princess Day), the moment i decided to have dinner with her but somehow requested to go to Bangsar South (Old Town White Coffee and Warung Andalucia), when i was there, she knew so many people and kept me wondering who are they. The moment i sat down for dinner with her, all this "so called" business partner came in sat 1 by 1, asking how are you, hows work and bla bla bla sap stories and ask me whats my expectation when i run a business.... the whole entire event was till late at night 11pm+ and i was tired from work. The next round, my friend ask me to meet her at Wisma Scope Bukit Jalil, well, hell is the jam, and again the Team party starts... u meet so many types of professionals that quited their job to run this business and kept mentioning about the visits to office. "So called" hard to get slots for the office visits. When in fact when i became a member and went for all their trainings, its just some shit gimmicks to make sure the prospect gets worried that they dont get the special invitation by claiming to say other outsider has been requesting for months just to get the invitation. TOTAL NONSENSE.

-Hiding information about the 34k capital from prospects before MNU: Before MNU, they tell you layers of lies trying to hype us up, avoiding important information like the huge capital and then telling us to take leave the next day(Monday) without giving a reason why, which turns out to be their way of manipulating us so that they can do sourcing for us immediately. Which means your MNU will always be a Sunday. Saturday is where they prepare you for MM(Millionaire Mindset) or Fire Your Boss topics. In the saturday event, they will show you how much you earn from RM2417 to Millions which i can tell you, none of the KP (Knight Premiers) reach to that amount. Speakers would most likely be a Princess/Prince position. They will also celebrate achievers for those that achieve the Challenger Knight Premier Zone and Knight Premiers just to show you that YOU can be like them too. During your ABP which we called it as advising, they will only show you that as a Gold Premier when you bring in a direct you earn RM195, as a Star Premier, if you bring in a direct, you earn RM1950. But they will never show you that you have to FORK OUT the RM34k+ in order to FAST TRACK to be a Star Premier. Whatever you will e going to see during your sit down in the office round table is just a draft or smoke screen on the actual plan. As a Gold Premier obviously there is no demotion. But unfortunately I need to tell you, when you become Knight Premiers, IF any of your downline Star Premiers terminate/withdraw, your PV will drop and you will be automatically be demoted to Star Premier. To get to be a Challenger Knight Premier, you need to make sure you get 5 Stupid Star Premiers with you that willing to FORK OUT 34K+ loan, once you be a Challenger Knight Premier, you need 12 Star Premier to be a Knight Premier where by your 5 Direct Star Premier needs to Find their downline to be Star Premier to accumulate up to 12, (Example: 5 Direct, Each Direct gets 2-3 Star Premier, once accumulated to 12, You will be a Knight Premier), of gosh Poor Souls have to work so hard so your Upline(Yourself) could be a KP.

- For your info on SPGB(Star Premier Generation Bonus), If u got bring in direct that month u have to do small maintenance which is 300pv, if no direct to earn spgb must do big maintenance which is 1800pv, what the hell, all this info has been smoke screen.

😡 Dishonest sourcing methods

- Using 3rd party agent to get loan or sourcing, forcing the prospect to pay RM1.5k - RM2.7k which is separate from the GP and SP money (underhand money? IS THIS LEGAL?). Your KP will tell you that BNM is strict now on people having loans approved, so they have their inside team in the bank to adjust your CCRIS or whatsoever so you get the loan approved fast and get money on the spot. Mostly they will guide you on Monday, Go to BNM to check CCRIS then, your KP willbring you to RHB Bank Klang, Hong Leong, or others to get the loan. After MNU, Monday is where your KP will work very hard to make sure they get you out of the house early to do all this. And mostly they will come to pick u up. So you cant lari anywhere... lol

- Why do we have to pay for the 3rd party agent? I never agreed to give any of my loan percentage to them, and I was never informed of such before it happened!

- Wanting us to pay the GP/SP money as soon as possible, when actually we have the right to have 10 days to think before joining ANY business.

- I got a call from Aeon Credit saying that a RM30k loan was approved, when I didn't even apply for that bank. When I rejected it, KPs called me saying that I shouldn't have rejected the loan because it's by the 3rd party agent. How dare the KP do things behind my back!! This is about something as important as my  financial matters, PLEASE DO NOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT MY APPROVAL OR KNOWLEDGE! YOU ALL ARE INSINCERE, SHADY AND DECEITFUL! Luckily i have resigned from my last working place, in order for them to reapply, the bank will check on your reference with the finance department.

😡 Hiding company's shady past

-I did some research on McOcean and Steady Dynasty and found out that the proud claim that 'McOcean was founded 14 years ago' is a HUGE misleading statement!

-McOcean has ONLY been officially operating since 2012/2013! It got its first license from KPDNKK on 20 August 2013.

-Then what do they mean by the company having been operating for 14 years? Before 2012, McOcean was actually called McRen Oceanus!! It was registered as an investment company on 9 Sept 2009 (according to Suruhanjaya Syarikat Malaysia, SSM). When the company was called McRen Oceanus, it sold products called Energen and Enertein, and had LTT trainings, just like McOcean.

-McRen Oceanus was blacklisted by Bank Negara, so that's why they changed the name to McOcean!

-Also, Steady Dynasty Sdn Bhd or SD Group (which is the distributor arm according to KPs and PPs) has been blacklisted by Bank Negara for a while now, please check the August 2017 list, Steady Dynasty is clearly on there! That is why the KPs tell you to not use Steady Dynasty name to current partners, and use SD Group instead, because they KNOW that Steady Dynasty has been blacklisted and they're afraid that partners will google and find out about it!

-Steady Dynasty was also used to be called Steady Global Network (SGN), and both companies are blacklisted on Bank Negara.

-Another thing that KPs have been lying to you is that SD Group is the distributor arm while McOcean is the manufacturer. That is not true. According to SSM, Steady Dynasty is a company dealing with ticketing services and arrangement of seminars, while McOcean is an MLM company which sells healthcare products through direct selling. Steady Dynasty gets 68% of the profit while McOcean gets 32%, however Steady Dynasty isn't listed as a shareholder for McOcean. Hmmm... I wonder why? 🤔🤔😒 So who exactly are we working under? McOcean or SD group?

-If Steady Dynasty/Steady Global Network was founded on 25 July 2007 according to SSM, while 'McRen Oceanus' was founded on 9 Sept 2009 and McOcean first got its KPDNKK license on 20 August 2013, so what was all that "14 years" bullshit all about??? Something shady is going on here and I need answers!!!

-Btw, Steady Global Network, Steady Dynasty and McRen Oceanus are all blacklisted by Bank Negara as part of illegal MLM and investment schemes, go check for yourself -- it's true. That is why on the McOcean website, under the company policy you have them stating rules saying that NO ONE is allowed to share the company logo and name in public! Why are they so secretive about their branding?? Which is the opposite of the whole purpose of marketing?? MAYBE BECAUSE THEY'RE SCARED OF THEIR SHADY PAST AND THE CONSEQUENCES IT MIGHT BRING IF THE PUBLIC FINDS OUT!!!! You don't hide something if there isn't something bad to hide in the first place!!!

-To think that the partners have been spreading lies to new prospects in the biz is utterly sickening and exploitative!

😡 Terrible "group" support

-You can hype all you want about "great team support" but you guys are actually FAR from it! You always ask us for help but do nothing to help us with sharings. Every one of you are fake as hell and are only concerned about your own problems, then when we try to voice out REAL ISSUES in the community we are branded as "negative" instead of you guys trying to improve your community. You guys like pushing the blame onto the victims, not realizing that you guys are the bullies!! We were pulled into this scam unwillingly, you guys were the ones who contacted us first, convinced us to join, and then when we decided that the business is not for us, you have the NERVE TO CALL US LAZY AND WEAK FOR STANDING UP FOR OUR RIGHTS AS AN INDIVIDUAL! THEN YOU STOP US FROM QUITTING AND THEN CHILDISHLY ATTACKING EX-MEMBERS FOR SPREADING 'NEGATIVITY' LIKE A KID WITH A TANTRUM! WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT MENTALITY IS THAT?? MANIPULATING BULLIES, THAT'S ALL YOU ARE!

UNEXPECTED TRAININGS:
-Your KP will tell you that you are selected for a training which is called the 3D Training which will be 3Days2Nights in one of the hotels in Melaka/Johor. For seniors that have SPs, will be selected for ELITE Training/LTT Training. You are not SPECIALLY SELECTED. You are there to fill in the gaps for partners that could not get to fill up the room accommodations in the hotel as you will be sharing the bed with another partner in the room. They will probably tell u few hours later during thursday night that you have to travel to the training in a short notice and you are forced to take Leaves on Friday-Sunday. In the 3D Training is intense , you dont have time for rest,eating time shorten just so you could score more points, its like swallowing your food can get back to the hall. By 11pm-12am. U are knock off to bed and next morning 6am to get up to practice your group dance for the FINALE. Beware that they play alot of emotions during the second night of the training, where you will be placed in the Dark Ballroom with Candles in the middle... They will ask you to write your DREAMS,WHAT YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE IN LIFE AND BLA BLA BLA AND TO MAKE YOU CRY...and all you could think at that time Mc Ocean is YOUR ONLY HOPE TO SURVIVE. ITS TRULY A MIND FUCK SESSIONS.

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I quit this business because I realize it's a terrible business, and my advice to all the new members are:

GET. OUT. AS. SOON. AS. POSSIBLE.

THIS BUSINESS WILL TRAP YOU, MAKE YOU INTO A VICTIM, THEN MAKE YOU A  ACCOMPLICE, THEN WILL MAKE YOU SCAM OTHER PEOPLE. IT'S A NEVERENDING CYCLE, AND IT WILL BRING YOU TO FINANCIAL RUIN.

THE MORE YOU STAY IN THIS BIZ, THE MORE YOU ADVANCE UP THE RANKS, THE MORE YOU'RE TRAPPED, THE MORE YOU'LL BE IN DEBT, AND THE HARDER FOR YOU TO LEAVE. DON'T KEEP FEEDING THE MONEY MONSTER, DON'T MAKE THE FOUNDERS RICHER.

DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THE KPS AND PPS TELL YOU! THOSE WHO LEAVE THE BIZ ARE THE BRAVE ONES! THEY REALIZED THEIR MISTAKES AND THEY'RE WILLING TO FINALLY TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS! THEY WILL HANDLE THEIR DEBTS ON THEIR OWN, WITHOUT RELYING ON SCAMMING OTHER PEOPLE TO PAY OFF THEIR OWN DEBTS!

Those who stay are the cowards. Because you're scared that you can't survive without McOcean. You believe that McOcean is your last lifeline. You feel that if you leave, you will have to take responsibility of the debt/lifestyle you currently have. That's why you're so desperate trying to convince everyone else that McOcean is the holy saviour and salvation when it is not. There are SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE THAT DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE.

Thanks All For your Time Reading This. I believe there are more to be written. For those that are going to attend this 1 October MNU be it In Istana Hotel/Bukit Jalil Golf Resort etc.... Keep your Hands in your POCKET and KEEP YOUR ATM AND CREDIT CARD HARD AWAY FROM THIS PEOPLE. Before i have forgotten, for those members, every single MNU happens in KL, your KP will always ask you to go, you have have to FORK OUT RM138 just to attend every single time, Its a waste of MONEY, but our KP will say, ITS CALL GROUP SUPPORT and HELP OTHERS BRIDGING so that the PROSPECT will see HUGE TURN OUTS IN THE EVENT. THEY WILL FORCE THE PROSPECT UP THE STAGE AND DO THEIR VOWS.

Just went to their MNU. Luckily I found this and didn't fall into the 35k trap. Keep this thread alive guys, we can potentially save a lot of people from Mc Ocean/SD Group's scam.

A few more points to add in based on my experience:
1. They fish on your curiosity - they all talk about MNU like it is a life-changing event. Instead you'll find yourself in a 'kidnapped' position if you go, with your introducer following you everywhere you go and hard-persuading you to get a loan at the end of the session.
2. They are all well-trained. Everything that they do or say is not their own ways of doing, but they are just following "Templates". The examples they use are always the same.
3. You are chosen not because of your skills, looks or capability. They choose you only because they think you are an easy target who will fall under the trap.
4. They all sound highly sincere - The reason I believed and went to the second and third stage was their sincerity during first stage interview. If you're at first stage, please do not go for second stage if you are not located in KL or you didn't drive yourself to the event. You actually need to be Gold Premier by paying RM2417 on the spot if you want to know what is MNU.
5. MNU is nothing but an event to tell you that you need to use RM35k to buy their products to speed up your recruiting/earning process.
6. Do not believe what the KPs have to tell you at the end of MNU - their calculation is the ideal case, and will only be a reality if all the people that went there paid RM35k. If the whole thing is as easy as they claim to be, all the people there would have been Knight Premiers (KP).
7. They will encourage you to take a loan for the RM35k from an unknown banker which operates on Sunday evenings. Tell them you're not ready yet, and need more time to consider. Do not follow them to the bank.
8. 99% of their earnings come from recruitment of new members. Don't think that you won't be the unlucky ones to not be able to find 5 members. Also even when you're a KP, if there is no new member joining your group in the month, you'll get 0 profit, and not the "Promised" RM20k every month.

My advice - Get a proper job, or set up your own business. Whatever they tell you about their "Business" is nothing but a Ponzi scheme. The only way this business is surviving thus far is through our greed. Listen to your heart, know the right thing to do, and don't be a con man. The company will most likely fold if they can't recruit any new members.

You are so right about everything...... This happened to you in Penang or KL?

I have experience with this Mc ocean as well.. bout 2 years back. met this girl in a club and exchange number. kinda of hot.. so when out out her the following week and then the curiosity kills the cat shit happen. all the mystery on wht she do for living and so on. lastly after meeting so many of her business partners she brought me to her office in cheras. cat is out of the bag and i ran as fast a black panther and never looked back. only good thing is manage to do with her once.. not bad

I have experience with this Mc ocean as well.. bout 2 years back. met this girl in a club and exchange number. kinda of hot.. so when out out her the following week and then the curiosity kills the cat shit happen. all the mystery on wht she do for living and so on. lastly after meeting so many of her business partners she brought me to her office in cheras. cat is out of the bag and i ran as fast a black panther and never looked back. only good thing is manage to do with her once.. not bad

It happened in KL..did it happen in Penang for you?

Happened to a lot my friends in KL and myself in Penang

Here is My Experience in Mc Ocean and no longer with it. 

😡 Dishonest Recruiting Techniques
😡 Dishonest sourcing methods
😡 Hiding company's shady past
😡 Terrible "group" support

GET. OUT. AS. SOON. AS. POSSIBLE.

THIS BUSINESS WILL TRAP YOU, MAKE YOU INTO A VICTIM, THEN MAKE YOU A  ACCOMPLICE, THEN WILL MAKE YOU SCAM OTHER PEOPLE. IT'S A NEVERENDING CYCLE, AND IT WILL BRING YOU TO FINANCIAL RUIN.

This is SO TRUE.

Yes I think we can call them "manipulate", which the tactic is

1. "Concern about u"? or tackle your soft/weak point and manipulate your feeling and decisions. 
Those Mc Oceon members will always being trained and encouraged by uplines and so-called "KP" to filter name listing, then start 'Bonding & Warm up" with your friends, collecting or digging info about their recent employments and financial situations. They will then teach u "confidently" disclose at a suitable timing after a few session of Warm up, that you are doing a "super awesome" business, bluffing to you then they are going to earn good money and able to treat their parent nicely, end the boring employment, fire their bad boss BLA BLA BLA to make you curious on what business is that

2. ahhhHA! IF u are curious, they will start to JUAL MAHAL and convince u "indirectly" to meet their business partners!! They are being trained not to invite friends to join the business too directly and start JUAL MAHAL and would not disclose the name of this MLM business. Simply because McOceon & Steady Dynasty (SD) don't want you to know them (name) first !! esp when we are so skeptical to MLM and google can search anything for u. 

3. Then u go through 3 stages bla bla bla, hype u up by letting u know the importance of money, not for yourself but your parents la, your parents cannot wait la, must learn to give back when they are still healthy la, your dream la bla bla bla. During these stages they will keep spam u the importance of second income mindset (20k per month WOW !!), comparing traditional business with Network marketing business/ MLM/ other money game and claim that this is the only legal/ Long turn/ everlasting, must-do business and the only hope which you does not need a degree and any professional knowledge to run this business

4. THIS IS SERIOUSLY TRUE - UNDERTABLE MONEY and we never know who is that scumbag banker and processing officer. ( maybe some KP ) 
your upline-to-be will bring you to BNM to check CCRIS, and if there is some issue, they will still say: no worry, we can help u ! You want to do business right? You want to be successful right? You want to make your parents proud righhhhtt??? Now you are a businessman alrdy, dont worry about the interest and this small (tips) to the banker, I believe u will get it all back after this.  Which that's the time you will be fxking paying extra RM2k++ to a clown (runner). This amount is someone's one month salary u know??
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😡 Dishonest sourcing methods

- Using 3rd party agent to get loan or sourcing, forcing the prospect to pay RM1.5k - RM2.7k which is separate from the GP and SP money (underhand money? IS THIS LEGAL?). Your KP will tell you that BNM is strict now on people having loans approved, so they have their inside team in the bank to adjust your CCRIS or whatsoever so you get the loan approved fast and get money on the spot. Mostly they will guide you on Monday, Go to BNM to check CCRIS then, your KP willbring you to RHB Bank Klang, Hong Leong, or others to get the loan. After MNU, Monday is where your KP will work very hard to make sure they get you out of the house early to do all this. And mostly they will come to pick u up. So you cant lari anywhere... lol

- Why do we have to pay for the 3rd party agent? I never agreed to give any of my loan percentage to them, and I was never informed of such before it happened!

- Wanting us to pay the GP/SP money as soon as possible, when actually we have the right to have 10 days to think before joining ANY business.
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5. Ok now you joined as a SP.
You will need to join trainings, group bonding sessions to Learnnnn how to do this MLM business. Throughout the training period, they will 'adjust' your mindset, from employee mindset to a businessman mindset, make u immune to all types of negativity, teach you how to counter questions from your friends, invite your friends and even your manager "indirectly", influence you to be proud of doing Network Marketing , treat this business as your Life, do not put so much effort onto your 9-5 job, make it a habit to jio your friend yum cha, to text your long lost friends, bff, linkedin connections, Tinder connections, cousins, your junior manager, senior manager, GM, your boss, your ex...

One of the KP even mentioned this statement so damn confidently: "Do you know at Western countries, ppl there worship Network Marketing and they will admire and praise u if u are doing Network Marketing."  OMG Really? where did she learnt this crap? this degree holder kp seriously forgot the importance of footnote and citation, simply creating her own facts. (Reply to me if you found this statement to be correct  )

6. Invite your friend to join so called "interesting, life enrichment, soul empowerment events"
Ahhha ! this is the time u need to fork out money, and pretend to be very excited. Those KP will say this is business cost and expenses! some are really affordable but most of them really makes you poorer if u do not bring in your next SP, imaging u paying RM1.1k++ loan everymonth, only for this MLM business loan. Events include Badminton and futsal session, dinner session at Rendezvous Corner SS15, laser tag in Sunway Pyramid, Paint ball, bicycle riding at FRIM Kepong, CNY events (rm60), Hari Raya Events (rm60), Deevapali events (rm60), Christmas event etc, not yet including the cost for you to buy the traditional costumes and the ticket u paid for your "prospects".

7. MNU every 2 weeks, Training every week almost every night
At the same time u need to attend training and your network meeting. At first u may get some new ideas and motivations not in the business, but also in life (which that's how Mc Oceon package/fake this recruiting business), passing so called useful real-life experience and necessary "business mindset" to you and make u feel that those 'Leader/ KP" is freaking awesome people.
Some of the KPs will persuade you to join every MNU (directly or indirectly), no matter u have prospects or not, again this is your own business expenses, join the MNU at hotels, spend your sweet sunday from 8am to 7pm there, pay for the ticket rm138 listen to same motivation concept, not including expensive hotel parking fee, your petrol cost, your precious time with real friends and family and your lovely partner out there. Just to support the event and speakers, and hype it up all day long, pretend to be so excited    . Well, again McOceon won't pay for your business expenses what.

8. Big Major Trainings- 3D training/ LTT training
Ok u need to pay the training cost yourself! RM300 and RM600 at poor managed hotels/ resort. Again imagine you are paying RM1.1k+- loan per month and u have to fork out money for these training and your upline will say to u: this training is not normal training like other corporate, and McOceon does not cincai cincai organize training and now I Try my Best to recommend you to the committee to let you attend this training! This is a great chance for you to improve yourself and close more downline! Again You are not SPECIALLY SELECTED. You are there to fill in the gaps. McOceon is not going to sponsor u lor. This is YOUR Business Expenses what.
Lol in fact if you are in employment, training costs mostly bear by your employer and those KP will always " tee up" to you that the 3D training/ LTT training is definitely worth this price because this is the best training they have ever attended compared to their past employment from those big big corporate like Samsung, Banks, Insurance company, Unit trust company, Property agents. Again these trainings are designed to pump u up with stronger, invincible, invulnerable, indestructible, unconquerable, unbeatable mindset to bring in new downline for yourself, which in fact is for the business and make this MLM business unstoppable. 

9. So called best group support, Mc Oceon's Asset, most valuable asset
It depends, actually there are good and bad ppl/member/staff everywhere. MCOceon always try to package themselves as a very positive and healthy community, which sometimes you may really derive some good value from them, encourage you to be positive even if your friends reject this Network Franchising Business (your loan still going on and u still need to pay that loan yourself even u have no SP/downline after supporting all kinds of training and events), encourage u to always participate in sports, consume McOceon's healthy products and looks healthy.
By the time u need support, seriously u will still have a hard time to find a "good, supportive, knowledgeable" partner to support u, some even screw u up in front of your friends/ prospects. Well, what to do? Do u think ppl in MLM business are really so sincere? when they have their own things to do, own bills to pay, own loan to take care  and worried of?! Anyway who will really focus and become expert on this 'side-income' things, which apparently this is the mindset of most of the members.

Basically the "support" that all these mcoceon member mentioned, means those members who participate in the 3 stages, they will dress up professionally with blazer, help to do journey sharing, share their reason to join this business, product explanation, "tee up and jual mahal" success story and background of their leaders bla blaa blaaaa , and through these 3 stages they will help to 'double check' prospects' soft point and dream.

10. Products
errrggghhhhhhhhh. Out of so many products I will say only 1 or 2 is good and the others are practically not necessary (for my case) and after u do a deeper research seriously "why the fuq am I paying so much" thought will come out.
The best choices of staying healthy is Just get your ass to gym and eat real food, sleep earlier, because these mcoceon ppl have no chance to sleep early.

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I finally decided to quit this business after quite a long struggle.

I would say the way Mcoceon run this MLM business, seriously ruined me financially (still far away from bankrupt and AKPK but I feel really insecure about my financial situation). When the MCoceon community bluff to you that you can be successful, can be richer person, can escape from a 9-5 job and become a time-freedom businessman making your parents proud but at the end, you realized and see that only more debt comes to you, makes you unable to buy a good present to your parents, hardly pamper yourself with clothes & a pair good looking and comfort shoes, unable to upgrade your old car to just a new worried-free new Myvi, 0 savings every month for youngsters who wish to save money for a property downpayment like me,  I can guarantee u that's a really very very bad feeling.

Now when I recall back those tactics and mindset from this MLM, I will say that this is for an ignorant person to 100% believe in it. I will feel very bad to scam another person to join this mlm and its like just to pass the loan to the next or next 5 ppl and become KP bla bla bla whatever shit However, still there are certain good value, but actually u can also find it at other places, if You are really progressive for your own life and willing to explore and learn.
I don't care if there is any kp or prince from Mcoceon see this, they will definitely treat my post as another negative comment and another loser is complaining.
Frankly, they will look at you as a loser anyway if u still struggling in the business, not yet uprank to Ckp and kp after 6-12 months. This is a fuking truth, come out from a mouth of a sarcastic KP, who is a Prince now. They will recognize u as a 'Senior SP', and for those members, u know what it means 
Also, I found out that the recruitment trend now in Mcoceon, they are most likely targeting younger and younger ppl like not even fresh grad, who can get sourcing from parents, or didn't continue diploma/degree, calling themselves "young entrepreneur" who are ignorant and know nth about real world business. More and more members are targeting friends who are working (non-professional) in Singapore and Penang. Those ppl who have no specific goal in life, do not know what to do next (for their future) is their best target, then manipulation starts and MLM members will scam them to join and promise that they can become a successful MLMer.

As now, I explored much more outside to a real corporate world, dealing and learning from real business owners and CEO, who are more sincere in real life and sharing useful knowledge and experience, exposed to the way real businessman do business and make things happen by getting real deals and contracts, not earning money and get overriding from your friends by manipulating their feelings.

Finally, some statement that makes sense. Thats why I said the angry people here are trying to console themself and convince themself that its a scam because it is not what they think and wanted to feel lucky to walk away. They come here and call themselves contributors to society for helping people out, by giving out misleading advice.