this is...
this...
i would have said pm me but i already saw the operation. haha

This membership of 30K got pool facilities and full gym facilities or not?

Lol, nope but you got a nice pin (i guess)

Wah 30K one pin! No wonderlah people are joining this McOcean. This pin must have diamonds and rubies.

I can get the pin in china town less than rm30

found something interesting when i was reading geneva thread.

http://www.bnm.gov.my/documents/2013/121113_FCA_en.pdf

Number 77.

77, 109, and 110 all under one company.

so end of the day, its not LEGAL as they claim... hello, where are you the McOcean member and supporter??? im calling you for ur so call licence~~~ Bank Negara said you dun have licence wor~~~ which minster gave you licence ar?

Cronies/songlap minister gave them

And I just realized another thing. The 30k+ is to buy their products so that you can get points to upgrade membership. Most of the products are health products and none of them are registered to BPFK (National Pharmaceutical Control Bureau). This is definitely illegal...

It is against syariah law. Do read this article.
http://zaharuddin.net/pelaburan-&-perniaga...ut-shariah.html

i've been introduce by this mcOcean last night, same modus operandi they tell u that they have business opportunity but if u want to know u must come to their event and because of mere curuiousty i went there,

This what i think:

1.I dont say that MLM is wrong and infect it is one the ways to market things.
2.But the problem is that it dosent focus on the value/quality of the product
3.They contradicts themselves by saying they dont want to find alot of people but it is obvious that the only way to find profits here is by finding more people to join u.
4.Where is the ethics of this business actually, business is about trading but here is clearly u are only recruiting people to join,i'll know they will say, we have products and bla bla bla but the truth they trick the system by making the product purchase for each recruitment..
5.Where is the sustainability of this business? The answer is that giving hope to people that they recruited to recruit more.... is this what we call a true business??
6.Is this the society that we want to live in?? think again? if you think that money is so important why do u send your sick father to the surgeon when u clearly condemn that the doctors making a peanut with their salary....imagine what kind of civilisation would it be..

I dont mean to offend anyone but just give a thought of it?
have u ever think about it ?
social impact?
ethics?
sustainabilty?

LOL so interesting.

I bumped into a friend at the Property Outlook Conference 2014 and he told me about this business he's into.

I just act blur and just say ok nah here's my number, etc etc, then after that he called me out for appointment.

So i just go and listen and study the fundamentals of the biz. Just so you know, eating and exposing scam business is nice to eat for breakfast and i love knowing the modus operandi so say ok come meet me.

He set appointment, confirm time not 1 time but 3 times, and still can late. If people late ah, just give courtesy call lo but no, 3.00pm baru leave the house. I ma sien lo ask him go home don't waste my time but he beg me stay and say his "business partner" is already there and can meet me. I say he got 5 minute to call me and catch me before i leave, and he did so i sat down, and he's this young fellow, talking as if he's some kind of exclusive club member ish.

i didn't like the atmosphere and really, i feel that walao, what kind of "business" you doing that need to "pre-qualify" me and then dowan tell me company name, what product and etc, so i find it seriously, seriously, SERIOUSLY suspicious. So i try to push hot button, trying to fish and see if it's ponzi scheme or some direct selling company.

push push push adey then i find out he so secretive and it makes me feel that it's obviously a ponzi already because he refuse to tell the fundamental and act all gaya and say sorry exclusive member only and doesn't mean i can do good sales i can join, i say ok, go fly kite, i not interested and ciao.

Just so you know, i have spent many years studying the different MLM business, insurance, and investment products in Malaysia and different parts of Asia and most of the time, i find that going back to understand the fundamentals of any business will expose whether it's a scam, bad deal or legit business.

There is too many scam out there, but there is also a lot of good deals and business opportunities.
Business can give you your own time, but it can also be your worst nightmare.
At the end of the day, every business has to have a sustainable, logical and fundamental behind the business.
To me, i have came across many products, investment AND business that can be legitimately successful with the right fundamentals.

I am planning to share an article of my own soon to help us better understand and prevent us from being scammed. Meanwhile, if anyone need advice or feedback about anything, just PM me. I can help you study and identify if it's a scam or real business, and no, i DO NOT charge. I do it because i feel that there is too many scam business around and i want to help people realize and understand the truth behind a lot of marketing lies and / or sweet talkers.

PS : I have a nerd passion of studying and exposing bad, evil and scam businesses. Remember, I eat scam and marketing gimmicks for breakfast

Website still look like shiate. Can earn so much duit but can't afford to hire better web designer? Most gambar also taken from internet. Nvr update your KP also. Still taruk jan/feb/march/april 2013 top KP. Product description jilaka short and also unappealing.

gomen approved web designer only maa.
they cannot simply edit.
jangan dipersoal.

Saya dah kena

lepas join byr rm1983

smpai skrg kwn baik saya( yg intro benda ni kat saya) takde ajak/contact ikut function..

hilang kawan baik dari kecil sebab benda ni

Feel like slapping the bigot standing at the side and saying true.. betul.. its like a code word for them .. so obvious make people feel more suspicious.. thank god i escaped twice.. only some of them have big cars (some may rent a car for a day when their new mangsa coming for first time) most of them pinjam car of other members. they also promise they will pay bank loan installment for the first 6mnths and if we want to quit they will return the 30k we invested. risk free business... personality of the people in there doesn't convince me sorryla ...ex police.. banker,ex pm , ex agong semua ada.

This post has been edited by vicky10: Mar 18 2014, 12:36 PM

They solely depending on new membership fees.

Their MEMBERSHIP LADDER from premier to prince rank. They show the percentage of "income" they get from each underline member. Here some information of the advancement of the RANK.

The starting rank is Gold Premier (GP) Member at the cost RM2130. Then to advance to next RANK, u must have 5 GP under you. You will get RM195 from each new GP.
The to advance more from your rank now, your former GP must have another 5 new GP under them. You will get RM175 from EACH membership fees of the 25 New GP. The rank goes on and on.
You want money? Find more people

Its a system that target youngster that looking for fast big money. What make me more sad is the partners are:

1) 99.999% of them is Malay - at the time i come for their so called product seminar, all i can see is malay.
2) Age of 24 - 31 years old
3) High Education - University (Diploma & Bachelor)
4) Friend become predator. They start using the words " Come on la, we are friends. We are here to help you" ,
"You dont trust your friends ar?, "We are friends ma.... why i would lie to you"

Great!!