HI to all Sifus... I've post some comment in the main page but seems like I posted on the wrong section... Hope I can get some good advice here since I'm still new in this...

Last weekend I went to change my player. Initially thought only want to change my player because the Iswara stock unit "Blaupankt" is already dead. So I went to check out at one of the shop recommended by my Father-in-law whom he changed all his car (2 cars) CD player there. Before this I was thinking of getting the Pioneer 7570 or something around that range that comes with the promo with 1 pair of speaker.

When talked to the boss, he keep pushing me the 1450 model which is quite cheap. But my thought is if it's that cheap the quality might not be that good. So in the end I get a Pioneer 2450UB. After talking to the boss for about 5 minutes, I kena poison to change a pair of JBL GT5-963...

So, sifus, Any comment in this setup? Anyone have this type of setup?

I found the sound is not... em how to put it, no very clear. The bass is there (very deep base) but it seems like when i turn down the mid, it sounds a bit soft, but when i tune up the mid it might cover the treble.

So what is the recommended setup here sifus? Now kena poison already but the quality not really up to my expectation... Does putting an amp help? Tweeter? Please help sifussss...

Right now you're happy with the bass but cant hear the singer.
Its soft because the "tweeter" is 3ft behind you.

My opinion at this point is to sell the JBL and get yourself a proper component speaker set (tweeter+midbass+crossover= google got a lot of pictures). maybe the boss will let you trade in with minimal loss. Try to see if you can 'upgrade' to comps with no loss.

Otherwise turn down the bass till it matches your treble then volume up.
Clarity isnt there simply because your 2way JBL is, er how do I say this, isnt built for clarity no matter how much you tune.

An amp will only make things worse.
Might wanna look around the ICE threads for recommended brands instead of simply whacking something like an Ameron tomoro.

Thanks Krayden. But mine is a 3 way speaker not 2 way. The bass is impressively good though haha... If with an additional tweeter in front will it be better?

Any other suggestions from other sifus?

Sorry, but I cannot help but laughing non-stop.

Krayden guess your speaker wrongly, but your reply make it worst.

Your setup is not wrong, but definitely cannot give you what you want - Balance.
(I use balance so to put it in a nice word~ )

Adding tweeter, will not help and might even get you more into dilemma. But hey, your money and it is never wrong to try.

MyWifeCar, so what is your recommendation for somthing to make it more balance if the speaker is to remain?

I'm just a newbie and don't wish to invest too much for start. Just wish to make use of the existing equipment to make it sound better. If adding minor equipment to enable it sounds better, please please please tell me and I will start to save for that Hope sifu can shed some lights as I saw you are quite active here and I believe you have much experience here.

get a pair of front speakers, then u can use the fader in the radio to control how loud the rear speakers are compared to the front

2way, 3way, 4way...... even if its 10way speaker, its still one pair. Fact remains, its not built for clarity. will just give a bit better midbass due to larger surface.

Come to think of it, you got poisoned by this?

This post has been edited by krayden: Jul 24 2012, 07:48 PM

Wooooooooo 10-Way

harsh.

and... what would happen if he came to the ICE TT? poison overdose terus mati?

Terus mati kudasai lol

Never thought of getting answers from enthusiast in such a way... The speaker was recommended by the boss. As I'm not into this ICE thingy and nobody to ask about. Been doing searching around and Google around. Even asked also didn't get any response and now getting this response. REALLY FUNNY...

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Added on July 25, 2012, 12:06 amZennn thanks for some suggestion

This post has been edited by brainpower: Jul 25 2012, 12:06 AM

checking your history, i can't find any thread started by you asking for recommendations before this thread

Boss suggest get that as he wants money. Doubt he cares much about user satisfaction. You got it done at an accessory shop?

Nightstalker. Thanks for your post. Well I did posted questionz ask for help.perhaps I posted in wrong thread...

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...5&hl=brainpower.

Anyway the item already bought. Just stick to it and train to adapt to it slowly.

The installation was done in setapak area...

my condolence is all i can say. and yes, pretty much wrong forum to post at based on your previous thread

nobody died bro

anyway, yeah your previous thread was posted in the wrong section. The replies you got were mostly kopitiam-style and they don't know much about ICE since this is FNF after all.

At least now you have a rough direction of where to head, which is to install a front component speaker

Bro, don't lar easily offended... You should read their reply upside down, then it will make sense to you.

Most of the forumers here are old uncles with big belly and shinny top, so they are a bit cranky.

I'm still in my 20's so I guess my answer can help you a lot, may I know your budget to improve from current situation please?

<- Smiley Face ~

you dont need someone to die to have condolence.

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Added on July 25, 2012, 10:33 pm

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jul 25 2012, 10:33 PM

Thank you guys for the comforting words.

Mywifecar. Let's just put aside first how much more that I want to throw into ICE. If your r in my situation now with this setup,what would u do to improvise the quality? Assuming the component speaker will help? But why this speaker will help as compare to the 3way spk? Hope someone can sharesomens info or reading material perhaps I don't know how to search.

Secondly why do u say with a pair of twitter will make thing worse? Hope you can enlighten me. Or perhaps someone can provide some tips as guideline to newbie like me for future before jumping into this without much guide like me. For long term purpose for the sake of others benefit too. Thank you guys.

If you're adding a tweeter in front, you'll just hear the highs, mids will be missing, might as well get a component set. In practice, components sounds better than coaxials(like yours) as they are often made with better materials, handle more power, have superior crossovers and produce better midbass than coaxials.

I was in a similar spot last time. I bought a Pioneer 6x9 coaxial to put in my rear. Sold it off just after 1 month and upgraded my front components. What an upgrade it was!

urs is coaxial. mine is 3 way for the rear. sold it after few weeks.

uhhh... 3 way coaxial.

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Added on July 26, 2012, 1:36 amThis one the best. 6-way speaker from kedai abang



This post has been edited by Nightstalker1993: Jul 26 2012, 01:36 AM

haha. didn't saw the 6x9. what u're doing there? today don't have event?

that photo i took quite some time edi when i jalan jalan at Brothers. You go there with a bunch of friends can laugh ur ass off man

what event?

the whole "if you're in my situation" is vague as hell. for starters, he probably wouldn't be in your situation, and even if he did, the solution he will prolly take would involved spending more, with perhaps alleviating the cost by selling the previous JBL. Also that JBL isnt really 3 way, just coaxial lol.

if you dont mind spending time to read, you can start with:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2289115

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/342987

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/832695

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1157391


tweeter thing explained by nightstalker so dont need to go further into that unless you have additional question.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jul 26 2012, 02:31 AM

lol'd at twitter

ala typo

Maybe I read too quick, what car are you driving?

Actually playing ICE need to have budget, or else very hard for people to make suggestion ... worst still, you will kena poison by the boss even worst!

You have to know, since you are newbie, a tweeter can cost 1K per pair also.

Not saying that adding a tweeter will make it worst, finding a match will be very hard (Almost impossible)... but hey, your ears are not mine.

Having speakers at the back is really.... errrr....useless.

When you driving, your ears are facing the front... You probably will hear more wind sound than the music.

Like Krayden said (Albeit, you think he is being sarcastic), trade-in for the front comp. But I still need to know what car you drive, if Mywee ....

You first time change ICE. of course you will like it....the deep bass.


Also, you can see those uncles go crazy already~


This post has been edited by MyWifeCar: Jul 26 2012, 02:41 AM

i thought you purposely typed wan. when i read that a picture of a bird came to my mind

Aiyah, cranky uncle reporting in. (damnit become unker liaw).
Sorry la if you take offence. Everyday somebody come in AFTER buying brand so and so, THEN only ask good or not, what to do to improve.
Want to improve, trade it in for something better la. If you MUST keep it then disconnect the tweeter cables in your 3way, use it only for bass and get proper component speakers. One thing MWC din mention about comps, they play better because each speaker can focus on a particular range of freq = better seperation. Where you can hear the vocals and instruments clearly. Not one speaker trying to play everything.

STATING YOUR BUDGET IS IMPORTANT.

Because tweeters range from rm50 to rm3k. Very hard for ppl to reco.

Im still 20's too ..

yeah, remove the 's please

Thank you everyone for these helpful info... Somehow, because I'm driving a very old Iswara aeroback, more than 12 years. That's why I don't really want to dump too much in to that car as who knows, when the car is going to fail on me?

So you guys still suggest to trade in the 3way and change to comp? Then the thing that where my speakers installed will have a big hole over there then? Hmm... Then when change to comp my car seat will be cut to install the speaker right? hmm...$$$ all come to my mind.

Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions. Guess I'll need to save up that money then only upgrade... By the way if upgrade to comp, how much will that cost? I read somewhere that you need to have amp to drive the comp properly? with amp coming in then you need to look at those electricity thingy bla bla bla.... Any sifus can explain a little? Budak baru belajar and very curious and want to learn more, hope all the sifus don't mind me asking too much. I do hope can compile all your information into a tread to share with others in future.

thats EXACTLY what i have
take care of the car well, and it wont fail you

and yes ditch the "3way" speakers (its not even properly 3 way FFS lol)

seat wont cut, cut front door panel instead
can have reference on my car if you got a chance for TT

actually the threads ive linked got all the information you need

The car wont fail the owner..got plenty of spare parts for it ....but for sure your new ICE will make you enjoy the drive or perhaps take a long way to drive home instead of the normal routes..he he

Haha... Yea, i love the car. It just serve me well. However, having said the speaker doesn't sound right, I can't fully agree as it does sound OK to me when I play on MP3. Of course don't mention about the radio station which the original quality itself is a question mark.

So perhaps will save first for the comp to add in later. Would you suggest to add the comp speaker or totally leave the comp speaker only without the 6 x 9 3 way speaker.

BTW Quazacolt, why do you say it's not a 3 way FFS? BTW again, what is FFS?

sell off the rear "3 way" to fund for your component set.

also, FFS = for f***'s sake.
and your "3 way speakers", are not 3 way speaker.

lucky I read this before deciding what to do with my ICE.

Head Unit + Component set. Sufficient for 10 years old Wira I guess.

Planning for Nakamichi NA 100R + Nakamichi SP-CS 65.

Still wondering need a sub a not.. =/

Lol... FFS. I thought is Final Fantasy or something lol... Anyway, my concern now is i trade in the rear speaker, then the compartment that I mount the speaker will be empty and hollow so if i put a book or pillow it'll drop into the back trunk...

Second concern is if the speaker is taken away, then with Comp itself will it be able to procude base as well? Seriously, how many speakers are there in a comp set? As far as I understand there's only 1 pair, left and right, correct me if i'm wrong. So if with only one speaker, how does it reproduce a full range of audio frequency? Hope can get some sifus explanation. Thanks.

Component set = mid bass + tweeter + crossover. You can use something to cover your rear deck if you want. For now it might be no use to you, but next time when you install a sub, the holes on the rear deck will allow the bass to enter the cabin. That's IF you decide to add a woofer in next time la.

that is of no worries, can either get a new panel or have patch work done on it.
worse come to worse fiber glass works only (albeit expensive though lol)

good component set bass is of no issue, however it wont ever match an actual passive boxed subwoofer
component set is explained by nightstalker above

Oh... so component set will have mid bass+tweeter+crossover... Does the mid bass and the tweeter on different speaker independently or it's on a same speaker like the one I'm installing now... come to think of it, it should be separate right... hm.. so normally how much will an OK set of component speaker cost?

separated.

mid bass typically install at lower door panel while tweeters are at least on dashboard or higher on the a-pillars of your car.

most reputable brand component sets are at least rm400-500 or more.

boston acoustics s60 are around rm500 i believe.

I think below 1k can get an entry level component d

Ah... Hm... will look in to that. Just curious, can I remain the rear speaker for the sake of the base as I feel the base sounds quite good. but of course i know it's not as good as per the standalone sub woofer. But I don't really like very heavy and deep base. Just don't want to waste it

then you need to fork out more money on the component set as you're not getting money returned from selling off/trading in the rear speakers.

also, good component set's mid bass is more than enough mid bass one can need

Oh... ok will consider that then... Thanks Quazacolt for your great help and informative information.

you're welcome