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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V26, 26 threads of waxing

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post Jul 22 2012, 01:39 AM

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Wahlauwei I go away for one day then suddenly open new thread and mention my name so many times tongue.gif

Unker David, I honestly can't explain your experience. So mysterious wor blink.gif But I'm glad it's finally working out for you thumbup.gif Oh yah since I drove your Iswaga too I wonder if that would have any effect laugh.gif

I'm going back to Penang later in the morning. Will be back at the beginning of August. Want me to drive your car, wait till then brows.gif

Disclaimer: ECU low FC training proven to work on manual tranny. 4AT/CVT, not guaranteed yah tongue.gif

Anyways I drove 130 km between Thursday night and tonight. On Friday night I took my friend to tour around downtown KL. Then went to LDP via Damansara Link and then down to Federal Highway. Got stuck in a jam between the Jalan Utara and Kerinchi Link exit. Took Kerinchi Link all the way to Sri Hartamas then Penchala Link home. Today we went to Jalan Ipoh, then SS2. Filled up at Damansara Jaya tonight for the long drive. The above trip clocked 7.6L/100km, which is about my usual figure for driving around KL. Looks like my spark plugs have worn in and corrected themselves icon_idea.gif Hope to hit 6.x again on the trip to Penang.

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post Jul 22 2012, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(rogrog @ Jul 22 2012, 01:17 AM)
EH guys, usually how long you guy change the battery? My car is 2year old already, never change it  mellow.gif  ohmy.gif
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Normal lifespan is about 18-24 months. I just changed mine at 40,000 km, car was 20 months old. The original battery was still working fine but it was changed as a preventive measure.
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post Jul 22 2012, 01:49 AM

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QUOTE(JackX @ Jul 22 2012, 01:39 AM)
Add me to the list guys... just received my 1.3L manual standard FLX on friday! Btw, full tank only RM46 @RM1.9 per litre? So far I drove 180km already, still got 3 bar left. Whats the usual FC for 1.3L manual? Thanks!

PS: mine is white.
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Congrats thumbup.gif I really envy FLX manual owners because not only is the Getrag shifter much nicer in terms of feel (I haven't tried it but the Aichi Kikai in the BLM and FL must be the worst around) but the ratios are tuned better now.

Your engine being new will need to be worn in and consumption should get progressively better the more you drive. Using the bars to measure fuel economy should be used only as a very rough estimate as the float calibration level may differ from car to car, and also depending on the slope.

Fuel consumption is highly dependent on traffic condition, your left foot and gear shifting style. Perhaps if you described the three factors it would help us estimate your consumption better. But remember that the engine is still tight and new.

Go get yourself an account at www.fuelly.com and use it to track your consumption. Remember to fill to the brim for each tank.

How much you can fill in depends on how low you run the tank. When the warning light starts blinking you still have about 10-12 litres in the tank, although a part of it may not be usable.
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post Jul 22 2012, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(rogrog @ Jul 22 2012, 01:51 AM)
I clocked about 29k as of now. How much to change it?
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I changed mine to a Century maintenance free battery. Can't remember exactly how much but it was about RM 170-180.
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post Jul 23 2012, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Jul 21 2012, 11:52 PM)
i think that's because luke drives the car in the correct gear for every corner..
coz sometimes we tend to malas nak down shift when taking a corner.
by the time u exit the corner, u are in the wrong gear and needs more fuel to accelerate out of the corner..
if u get what i mean..

and combined with his double clutching technique, means it's fuel saving actually..
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Yup, the whole point of driving a manual tranny is so that you can shift into the correct gear just before cornering and then accelerate out of the corner properly.

Though I must admit I'm not always in the correct gear, especially when climbing slopes. I had a good hands on experience reading a vacuum gauge during the MRR2 midnight run with Unker David and according to him, the higher the vacuum, the lower the fuel consumption. For example, if you're climbing a slope, say in 4th gear and 2,000 RPM, which will translate to around 40 km/h. Believe it or not, if you shift down to third gear, rev at maybe 3,000 RPM and climb the same slope at the same speed, 40 km/h, you'll find that the vacuum gauge reading is lower than in 4th gear, even though your engine is revving harder. I learnt an important lesson that night, higher RPM does not always equal higher consumption. Use the right gear for the right circumstance.

This Gaga is my first manual tranny car and from day one I've been double declutching all my downshifts as a matter of habit. I've read all the posts but I still don't get how double declutching can save fuel? hmm.gif I do it mainly for smoothness and to save wear on the gear synchronisers.



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post Jul 23 2012, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Jul 23 2012, 12:08 PM)
thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  great comments!
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Anyway I've just removed my FSB, gonna drive for a few days without it and then put it back on to feel the difference properly. The thing is that I didn't actually do much driving the few weeks before and after installing it (exam and antisocial mode then) so I'm gonna clock some serious mileage with and without the FSB now.
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post Jul 23 2012, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(eqmal197 @ Jul 23 2012, 10:53 AM)
a question

i found that rear seat belt annoying. my kids love to play them. how do i hide it? hehehe
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Firstly I hope your kids are strapped in properly when they're riding in the rear seats smile.gif

If you're talking about the centre lap belt, you can remove the bottom rear cushion by pulling on the tabs and then tuck the lap belt underneath. Though it's going to be troublesome removing the cushion to take out the lap belt for use every time you have three persons at the back.

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post Jul 23 2012, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Jul 23 2012, 12:13 PM)
How's your fuel consumption now luke? I remember you had issues with it recently.

Oh and the FSB feels damn good right? brows.gif

Anyways, you're right in that higher revving doesn't always mean higher FC. It's more important to be in the optimum rev where you get the just right amount of torque for the job at hand.
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Ahh thanks for asking. It seems to be returning to normal, as I posted a few days ago:

QUOTE(lhwj @ Jul 22 2012, 01:39 AM)
Anyways I drove 130 km between Thursday night and tonight. On Friday night I took my friend to tour around downtown KL. Then went to LDP via Damansara Link and then down to Federal Highway. Got stuck in a jam between the Jalan Utara and Kerinchi Link exit. Took Kerinchi Link all the way to Sri Hartamas then Penchala Link home. Today we went to Jalan Ipoh, then SS2. Filled up at Damansara Jaya tonight for the long drive. The above trip clocked 7.6L/100km, which is about my usual figure for driving around KL. Looks like my spark plugs have worn in and corrected themselves icon_idea.gif Hope to hit 6.x again on the trip to Penang.
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I made a trip trip yesterday, PJ -> Ipoh -> Penang with three persons on board, and boot full of stuff. Now I'm at 400.6 km, and still a bar of petrol remaining. This is despite revving to 6k RPM a few times brows.gif

As for the FSB, I couldn't really feel any difference initially, but the more I drove the more I appreciated it. It rides better over bumps and also the steering precision is improved, as Unker David mentioned. I've just removed it this morning to have a feel of what it was like before I installed it. Then I'll put it on again later and enjoy 9 9 icon_idea.gif
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post Jul 23 2012, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 23 2012, 11:27 AM)
Memang tinggi mia, you tengok nie

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look like my gaga is bigger than Wira  sweat.gif That's why I call my Gaga a van
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Ouch! My eyes! My eyes! laugh.gif

Looks like your Gaga's butt really kena waxed 9 9 rclxms.gif

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post Jul 23 2012, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(eqmal197 @ Jul 23 2012, 12:31 PM)
that night i just test only what so called lotus handling. and its really handling well. body roll really less. but savvy more better. my camry worst. im not corner eater. no guts wor
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There should be a sticker, "My first Lotus is a Proton" laugh.gif

Savvy handles even better prolly due to lack of the butt.
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post Jul 23 2012, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Jul 23 2012, 12:39 PM)
i realize alot of alien thing attached on my car body, a round thin layer at few area.
not sure is it drop from the tree, tree "saliva" and some tiny round hard dot (i think is tar).

hv u guys tried any product can get rid of above?


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brader, beware.
i can sense alot poison surrounding u now  laugh.gif
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I use dis.


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post Jul 23 2012, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(GP mad man @ Jul 23 2012, 01:22 PM)
okok, thx bro
will go look for it.
review good?
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A while ago (end of last year) I noticed my bonnet was stained, which could not be removed by normal washing. So I asked my father if he had any polish around the house, he dug out two or three bottles of stuff, from the time when we were living in JB during the 1990s sweat.gif The liquid in other bottles had already turned into solid stuff, but this one was still liquid, and it works well thumbup.gif There was once I accidentally scratched the door frame with my metal watch strap, managed to polish it off with that rclxms.gif

I don't know if that product still exists, cos it's probably 15 years old laugh.gif There may be improved versions in the market.

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post Jul 23 2012, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(eqmal197 @ Jul 23 2012, 01:39 PM)
is the liquid color sort like light pink or light orange?
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Neither. Bluish.
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post Jul 23 2012, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ Jul 23 2012, 01:51 PM)
by the way, my friends flx se that day told me his car the cvt light turn on..

his car is same batch with me.

so i just him bring back to the nearest SC or COE to check the cvt issues..

i wwj he wwr...  scary he said.. while driving 110km/h at nkve.. the light pop up.. and when you press accelerator no action.. but the aircond and radio still on. and brake still working..
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Happened to V12Kompressor before. Just pull at the side, wait for a few mins then everything back to normal thumbup.gif

I'm puzzled though, that this can happen at normal driving speeds blink.gif

QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jul 23 2012, 01:57 PM)
blink.gif they do call me Dave when I was in Africa
Nope, she's getting good at it. 1st time she drove after RSB+FSB, my right side panel gone. Steering too sensitib, she use the road curb to polish my side panel sad.gif She did suspect originally, keep asking whether I change spring - nope, change absorber - nope, change tayar - nope, change rim - nope, like you didn't see it, change engine - I wish, since she didn't spoke about FSB/RSB, I've denied all that she mentioned. So I'm not lie whistling.gif
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Wait till she opens the bonnet or boot, then... jeng jeng jeng brows.gif
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post Jul 23 2012, 05:20 PM

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Back from a drive around town. It's pretty clear, without the FSB the ride is quite unsettled and bumpy. Even if you don't take corners hard the FSB does have an effect on comfort. That's a good enough reason to have it.

The FSB is coming back on right now. I can't live without it wub.gif
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Just spent the two hours trying to install back the FSB sweat.gif More on it later.
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post Jul 23 2012, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ Jul 23 2012, 07:47 PM)
TWO hrs?
Chassis points twisted out of alignment?  hmm.gif
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Nope, not really. Before removing and installing the FSB I knew it was important to have the right tools, otherwise the head of the bolt could be stripped leaving it irremovable.

So I looked in the tool box and got them out.

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14mm wrench above (for the nuts on the strut tower) and 12mm for bolts at the side.

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Removing the nuts and bolts wasn't a problem at all. The nuts on the strut towers were easy. But when I tried to screw back on the bolt on the left side (facing the car), I had difficulty aligning the hole on the FSB with the hole on the car. Got my friend to hold down the strut bar and I managed to get it in.

Then I tried to screw the bolt on the right side. It just wouldn't go in hmm.gif After several attempts I looked at the bolt carefully and I thought the thread was stripped. So I went out to a hardware shop to get a replacement bolt. Two hardware shops near my place didn't have it. So I headed into the buka puasa jam and went to yet another one slightly further away. Finally got one for just 60 cents.

Getting home, I was certain that the new bolt would fit. To my horror it had the same problem. I looked into the hole, saw the thread inside and wondered if that thread was stripped. If so there was no way I could get the bolt in.

There was one thing left to try. I removed the bolt on the left side and tried the new bolt on the left side. Managed to screw the new bolt in properly. Then tried the original bolt on the left side at the right side. Somehow or other it worked so my FSB is installed properly, after two long hours sweat.gif

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The bolt that wouldn't screw in

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The new bolt on the left side. Notice the unpainted colour. The new bolt head is also larger than the original, 14mm vs 12mm. 14mm is also the size for the nuts on the strut tower.

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The problematic hole which I finally managed to screw properly
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post Jul 23 2012, 09:36 PM

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Moral of the story: don't simply remove your FSB tongue.gif
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post Jul 23 2012, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Jul 23 2012, 09:38 PM)
come help me pasang bekk

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post Jul 23 2012, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(smudge @ Jul 23 2012, 09:49 PM)
mine red in colour one.
other car is a japanese 4WD. Compared to that, FC of saga is wayyy more efficient  tongue.gif
btw if install abl wouldnt void any warranty o not? quite hassle  to lock & unlock car everytime want to go in & out.
& do u guys recommend installing FSB? so far to me handling is okay cos also still getting used to the car.
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O HAI wave.gif

If no wires are cut, warranty is not affected.

Get familiar with your Gaga for a few months first. Take it to some twisty trunk roads and feel its characteristics. Then install the FSB and enjoy rclxms.gif


Added on July 23, 2012, 11:37 pmIs everyone inspecting their air cond filter now after Unker Dave's pics? hmm.gif

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