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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V26, 26 threads of waxing

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post Jul 24 2012, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 24 2012, 12:34 AM)
CRV? RAV4? tongue.gif BTW added you to owners list  nod.gif
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post Jul 24 2012, 07:16 AM

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QUOTE(kenjilew @ Jul 24 2012, 02:06 AM)
Tak hairan, Dugong boleh terbang lebih tinggi daripada Kura-Kura icon_idea.gif


Added on July 24, 2012, 7:36 am
QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jul 24 2012, 01:51 AM)
ISUZU D-MAX 49.7km/L

Hai FC whistling.gif
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More than twice as good as haibreeds sweat.gif

Diesels are good. Wished we had a Campro 1.3 TDi rclxms.gif

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post Jul 24 2012, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jul 24 2012, 12:56 PM)
My best candidate is Luke, but the kid is off KL now.
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Anyways I filled Caltex yesterday afternoon. Driving around Penang Island oni:




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post Jul 24 2012, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(GRexer @ Jul 24 2012, 09:52 PM)
Out of curiosity, how many litres does it take to fuel up you guys'(and gals') Saga when there's only the last indicator remaining(but not blinking)? It kinda baffles me that even when using until the last indicator, and on the third tank of petrol now, that it barely reaches RM50 per fuel up. Is the tank REALLY that small?
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I normally fill up when the warning light comes on. At that point about 29-30 litres will fit in the tank. Don't think I've pumped with one solid bar remaining before. Bear in mind that as pointed out above, only about 36 litres is usable. After many tanks you will know how far to push the warning light while preserving a safe reserve amount. When the nozzle trips, the tank isn't quite full, often you can fit another 2-3 litres by gently squeezing the nozzle lever gently repeatedly until the fuel nearly overflows.

Okay, about the fuel pump. Yes the fuel pump dissipates heat into the fuel as the pump is submerged in the fuel. When the warning light comes on there is still a substantial quantity of fuel left. The best way to find out is to take out the Gaga fuel tank, cut off the top part, fill just enough fuel to make the warning light disappear and see how much of the fuel pump is immersed. I don't believe the fuel pump is so fragile till the tank must always be at least half full. I've been doing this for two years and nobody here has reported a fuel pump failure. By not using the full capacity of the tank you drastically reduce the range of each tank (consumption doesn't change). I don't like filling up at the petrol station for three reasons. You have to handle the dirty nozzles, you breathe in the poisonous vapours and you expose yourself to robbery and car jacking. I'd rather run my tank low and fill up less often.
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post Jul 24 2012, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(li_5997 @ Jul 24 2012, 10:53 PM)
Now is FC topic then ^^

Normally full tank can go how many KM?

My full tank never go more than 400KM per full tank after 2nd pump.. wonder why... FC kept on goin worst after that...


Added on July 24, 2012, 10:54 pmhttp://www.fuelly.com/driver/xiaolim/saga/fuelchart

You can see it here
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I used to get about 400-450 km on one tank, driving around KL and PJ. Occasionally a bit more. Unlike most people I don't really get caught in bad jams, that's why. My record is 546 km on one tank. I can't analyse your chart for now, on my phone.


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post Jul 24 2012, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(GRexer @ Jul 24 2012, 11:32 PM)
Yes, I totally understand that it doesn't fully fill up even when the nozzle trips, sometimes, it trips as the displacement of air inside the tank triggers it. As for the fuel, it's not due to the overheating, as you mentioned, more like due to the impurities in the tank being sucked up(especially when your car grows older) as the fuel filter is AFTER the pump but BEFORE reaching the fuel rail, and also the possibility of pumping dry when your take corners.

Frankly, 2 years is not a very long time for the fuel pump to start showing signs of failure, give it 5 years or so, then we start talking, but, heck, I know most people changed their cars before the fuel pump even died. I never made any indication that the fuel tank needs to be always half full, I just merely mention that it's not advisable to let it run until the fuel warning lights comes on every single time. It's just my habit of refuelling before reaching 1/4 tankful. I would refrain to comment on your reasons, to each of our own reasons.
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That's a very good point about the filter being after the pump. I accept that there may be sediments at the bottom of the tank which may be sucked by the pump when the level is low. I wasn't really referring to you about the tank being always at least half full, as you posted some more stuff while I was typing my reply. It was more towards the general habit that some people have.

Like you I am peeved about the small tank. It should be at least 50 litres, but maybe there's not enough space to fit one.

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post Jul 25 2012, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(GRexer @ Jul 24 2012, 11:50 PM)
Well.. The pump is a submerged in-tank unit on most EFi fuel tanks, and the fuel filter is almost always after it, but before the fuel rail(where it's supposed to filter out most, or rather ALL sediments to prevent it from clogging up the injectors), hence my mention of NOT frequently running dry, or almost dry. Unless it's been modified to run an external pump where you could fit a high flow filter before it(which my now-no-longer-daily car is setup), the recommendation is still to refuel before it hits warning at best.

Yeah.. It would had been great if it had 45 or 50 litres, but I supposed as it's based on the Savvy platform, it's probably due to the lack of space to fit a larger one. One of the bigger peeves I had about it, others are pretty minor like the lack of a one-touch power window for the driver's window, lack of factory brake lock etc.
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I see. And I suppose putting the filter before the pump would create too much resistance for the pump? Or is it the inconvenience of the restricted access when the filter needs to be changed?

I'm okay with the lack of one-touch power window. Brake lock is easily installed so that's not a prob. I'm the kind who likes to use their wipers as little as possible, even to the extent of turning them off when I wait at traffic lights, so the lack of a single wipe function (push stalk upwards to wipe once) and variable intermittent speed control is kinda annoying. Also, there should be a clearer indicator that the rear demister switch is on. I tend to turn it on then forget about it until much later. Cruise control would be nice for long distance highway driving, but I guess that's asking for too much in an entry level model tongue.gif

I've been throughly enjoying my Gaga these past two days, chalking up about 150 km cos being in Penang the roads and corners are really familiar, and now that I'm back the difference made by the FSB is more apparent compared to in KL/PJ where I drive less hard.

Actually I've realised, there are lots of good driving roads in Penang. The Tanjung Bungah - Batu Ferringhi - Teluk Bahang stretch is great, provided you don't get stuck behind a slowpoke. Just drove on it in the morning as I went hiking at the national park. Another nice one is the road between Batu Maung (at the end of the TLCE highway) and Bayan Lepas, which goes across the southern end of the airport runway. I used to use that road every day after work to avoid the jam in the Bayan Baru area. As for the Teluk Bahang - Balik Pulau - Teluk Kumbar stretch, I will try it soon, within the next few days. Gotta bring my friend sightseeing.

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post Jul 25 2012, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jul 25 2012, 12:29 AM)
Later after installed the "free gift" then only you come back and show lhwj ya. He'll be cursing himself for not being able to take the run brows.gif
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You bet!

Actually I'm interested in doing the run even without any free gift. More samples, better rite?
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post Jul 25 2012, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(ibnuasad @ Jul 25 2012, 12:28 AM)
Who here knows where can pasang cruise control for Manual transmission?  drool.gif

The real one...not the transformer one  laugh.gif
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You know, I'm really interested in test-driving a manual FLX to get the Getrag feel and ratios... brows.gif
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post Jul 25 2012, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2012, 12:40 AM)
nih addicted to midnite runs with unker dy  whistling.gif
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He really poisoned me that night whistling.gif


Added on July 25, 2012, 12:44 am
QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2012, 12:31 AM)
I have used my rear demister a grand total times of ONE ever since I got my car  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Looks like Gogoman secretly applied his Enduroshield on your rear screen before you took delivery of your Gaga laugh.gif

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post Jul 25 2012, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jul 25 2012, 12:47 AM)
No I didn't whistling.gif Lu sendiri poison yourself. Who ask you "read" my driving. Kenjilew is the 1 who kena poison after found out his vacuum left 15in/hg during idling
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I wonder what's my reading while idling hmm.gif
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post Jul 25 2012, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jul 25 2012, 12:53 AM)
Can arrange another vacuum training midnight run with you, but you need to invest like 20 bucks to buy cable(reusable when you really decide to put on a gauge).
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Cable for the electronic gauge, or you mean hose?
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post Jul 25 2012, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Jul 25 2012, 12:58 AM)
guyz what the difference between manual flx and fl? what is getrag? my car flx manual..3.5k rpm at 110kmh..so different than cvt la..i read cvt rpm at 110kmh under 3k rpm
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Getrag is the manufacturer of your manual gearbox. The FL use an Aichi Kikai gearbox, which I think has pretty horrible feel. Your FLX Getrag gearbox should have much better feel, better tuned ratios and it's supposedly more efficient too.

Yes the CVT's highest ratio seems a lot higher than 5th gear. Yet despite that I don't see any indication that the CVT is noticeably more efficient on the highway compared to the manual tranny despite the engine turning slower. A while ago we were discussing how consumption is not always related to engine rev, and that it's best that the correct gearing be used. Bearing in mind that the FLX's VT2 has already been tuned to the engine output characteristics, could it be that at the CVT's highest ratio, the savings by the low RPM is negated by the lower torque output so the engine has to work just as hard to push the car at 110 km/h, resulting in similar consumption as the manual tranny?

If so, I can say as such. At 110 km/h, the CVT has lower RPM resulting in less engine noise. The manual tranny is buzzing at 3,500 RPM, so it's noiser, but at that range, the throttle response for overtaking is excellent. I haven't driven the CVT on the highway so I can't say about that.

PS I think Getrag makes manual trannies for Porsche so I guess it must be really good thumbup.gif

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post Jul 25 2012, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2012, 03:34 AM)
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Correct thumbup.gif Seems like your more powderful 1.6 is more efficient at 110 km/h. For my 1.3 I need to cruise at about 80-90 km/h to get optimum consumption. 110 is slightly thirsty for me, it's about the same as city driving.

QUOTE(ibnuasad @ Jul 25 2012, 05:23 AM)
Gear 1 @ 3.5k-4k rpm *may* cause unintentional wheelspins. Twice kena already. First at normal level road. Second at downhill  sweat.gif
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Cos it's peak torque mah icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jul 25 2012, 06:32 AM)
And Aciku Kukkai does for GTR, and GTR does 7:29 in Nurburger icon_idea.gif

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Ahh so I supposed Potong decided that 911 > GTR hence the switch rclxms.gif

Looking at the AK gearbox for BLM and FL, it seems that it can't even take the S4PE's 150 nm of tork doh.gif

PS Chris Harris is an awesome reviewer thumbup.gif

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post Jul 25 2012, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2012, 10:05 AM)
Which is fine, because S4PE have 120Nm of tork, within it's operation tolerance  tongue.gif
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Eh shoot I always get confused between S4PE and S4PH. I meant S4PH...

PS my tyres are 34 PSI front, 32 rear, cold. Inflated before driving off with a bicycle pump and checked with a pressure gauge.
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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2012, 10:25 AM)
Then them cab drivers will be replacing their GBs often  tongue.gif

You pressures are abit on the overinflated side, no? Maybe another piece of the puzzle of lhwj's awesome FC  rclxms.gif
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Above the recommended pressure. The max pressure stated on my XM2 is 51 PSI, beyond that only considered overinflated tongue.gif

I went to check out my air condition blower filter after you guys talked so much about it. Will post pic later.
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QUOTE(eqmal197 @ Jul 25 2012, 12:07 PM)
question for flx se user

do u guys find it hard to close you boot? mine hard woh.
minimum force cannot close
medium force cannot close too
hard force can close

need to hard shut and press a bit the boot and can close ady
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Maybe the lock alignment is out hmm.gif My boot lid closes easily, I just have to drop it down from a low height. Don't even have to push.
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jul 25 2012, 12:21 PM)
Why got saman? blink.gif Me & Luke the previous midnite run also kena roadblock no ticket wor whistling.gif Sumore we treat the white leg eat our hutan bakar as we drive pass
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Of course lah we drive 80 km/h oni whistling.gif

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post Jul 25 2012, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jul 25 2012, 01:49 PM)
My latest is about 10.5km/l only. But I think my tires is the bigger culprit  hmm.gif

BTW, bigger tires also slightly affect traveled-distance count like it affects speedometer accuracy right?

My speed now match closer to my speedometer, last time got as much as 5km/h difference to GPS  rclxms.gif
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Your FLX SE's speedo goes to 240 km, rite? Dunno whether Potong calibrated it for the 195/50/15 tyres. My speedo compared to GPS is pretty accurate.


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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jul 25 2012, 01:45 PM)
That one because of driver not engine oil.  whistling.gif
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post Jul 25 2012, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Jul 25 2012, 02:41 PM)
below 300 right for 15 inch? last time my father stream use 18 inch toyo proxxess damn expensive..400 sebijik.
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Dare's Kumho was below RM 200 each I think.

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