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post Jul 5 2012, 01:04 PM, updated 14y ago

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Caning is not the way

SPARE the rod and spoil the child is an old adage, the notion that children will only improve if physically chastised for any wrongdoing or fault.

I submit that this adage would not stand to present-day scrutiny.

Teachers may not be able to control the lashing of the students, leaving them with lifelong physical and mental scars.

Apart from the infliction of pain and suffering, caning, which is a violent disciplinary measure, will also ricochet on the student’s academic achievement and future development.

Caning transforms the benign school atmosphere into a hostile environment. Students are known to become introverted and tend to shy away from school after caning.

Students should look forward to school as a “fun” project and not to be tortured or humiliated.

Students with autism are seldom recognised as such and when they are struck, they can become overly aggressive, struggling to contain their anger.

Normal students are gripped by fear, depression and belligerence. They tend to disengage academically.

There is significant evidence that corporal punishment is detrimental to productive learning.

A recent study in the United States has shown that in schools where corporal punishment is the norm, students have performed worse academically than those in states that prohibit such punishment.

Hence, quite a number of states in the United States have done away with corporal punishment in schools. The Society for Adolescent Medicine has found that victims of corporal punishment often develop “deteriorating peer relationships, difficulty with concentration, lowered school achievement, anti-social behaviour, intense dislike of authority, somatic complaints, a tendency for school avoidance and school drop-out, and other negative high-risk adolescent behaviour”.

Corporal punishment affects every student in that school, including those who are not personally subjected to violence.

When physical violence against students becomes a norm, it creates an overall threatening school atmosphere that erodes students’ ability to perform academically.

Psychologists have noted that children who experience or witness physical violence will themselves develop disruptive and violent behaviour, further upsetting their classmates’ learning as well as their own.

Corporal punishment is a destructive form of discipline that is ineffective in producing educational advancement.

As a contrary approach, teachers should be encouraged to develop positive behaviour supports which have proven effective in reducing the need for harsh discipline.

Caning is degrading and humiliating. It should be prohibited.

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without rotan. i'd probably become a pansy ass fruitcake.
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post Jul 5 2012, 01:06 PM

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laugh.gif... back in my school days, the rotan's diameter was as big as a 5 sen ceiling...

kids these days are sissy and parents are overly protected....
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post Jul 5 2012, 01:06 PM

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ye lah tu, nak sgt ikut US. perangai budak2 kat sane pun dah macam setan.
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What a bunch of bullsheet
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without rotan. i'd probaly duduk tepi jalan minta sedekah
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dont be so stupid like the new gen...
becoz of rotan...
we become people..
not animal
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post Jul 5 2012, 01:08 PM

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we gonna produce more pondan out of school?
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post Jul 5 2012, 01:08 PM

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rotan is good. it teaches u there's always consequences for any action.
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post Jul 5 2012, 01:09 PM

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dulu tiem sekolah tengok cikgu displin pegang rotan pun da takut biggrin.gif
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post Jul 5 2012, 01:09 PM

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Ban rotan. Use fist or just FALCON PUNCH!
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QUOTE(lck*G9 @ Jul 5 2012, 01:06 PM)
laugh.gif... back in my school days, the rotan's diameter was as big as a 5 sen ceiling...

kids these days are sissy and parents are overly protected....
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I wholeheartedly agreed.

Discipline problem, I blame the parent.
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Banning the rotan means parents and teachers have to spend much more time properly educating their children. Since parents these days are too busy chasing after money, they should just make the rotan compulsory.
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post Jul 5 2012, 01:10 PM

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already unofficially banned ever since i started teaching...

now who dare to touch those gold child anymore... say wrong words also the parents boh song
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QUOTE(imin @ Jul 5 2012, 01:06 PM)
ye lah tu, nak sgt ikut US. perangai budak2 kat sane pun dah macam setan.
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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Jul 5 2012, 01:10 PM)
Banning the rotan means parents and teachers have to spend much more time properly educating their children. Since parents these days are too busy chasing after money, they should just make the rotan compulsory.
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Without rotan, I'd probably become a delinquent, murderer and drug addict.
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post Jul 5 2012, 01:23 PM

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Kids nowadays too soft kah? Sikit-sikit rotan tak boleh handle liao.
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kalo tak nak kena rotan...korang ban je lah sekolah tu...suruh mak bapak buat skolah sendiri...bila besar lembik nak mamposs...jadi generasi pondan...
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QUOTE(ReAcTiVo @ Jul 5 2012, 01:09 PM)
dulu tiem sekolah tengok cikgu displin pegang rotan pun da takut  biggrin.gif
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dulu time sekolah rendah, dengar nama guru disiplin dah lari. "Lariiiii, cikgu fendi datang!!!!!"
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Sissy parents produce sissy kids.
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post Jul 5 2012, 01:50 PM

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no wonder kids nowaday is sissy....bring back rotan i said...
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post Jul 5 2012, 01:51 PM

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Rotan also no use...kids moral depends on their parents...
if parents spoil their children...nothing teacher can do...whistling.gif

classroom should have cctv...so their parents can see how their kids really behave... hmm.gif

inb4 have you been spanked before? as a child? no...laugh.gif

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student nowadays terlalu manja...

sikit2 report... pui
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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Jul 5 2012, 01:51 PM)
Rotan also no use...kids moral depends on their parents...
if parents spoil their children...nothing teacher can do...whistling.gif

inb4 have you been spanked before? as a child? no...laugh.gif
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tali pinggang? normal, but i still love my parents so much.
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no rotan = pansies and sissies and wussies
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ban rotan. just ask them to sit behind/outside the class and hold their heavy bags over their head

no touching, less insulting and receive some free physical training


if everything also ban might as well send their children to cc and let they build their confidence while sohaing and hamkachaning other people while playing dota
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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Jul 5 2012, 01:10 PM)
Banning the rotan means parents and teachers have to spend much more time properly educating their children. Since parents these days are too busy chasing after money, they should just make the rotan compulsory.
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u should see those kids with housewife mother... spoiled, worse and more reckless than those kids that both parents working and left them at home with maid.
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Rotan Should not be Ban! if not.. ramai lelaki jadi sissY!
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Canning is good.
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QUOTE(JeggaSimple @ Jul 5 2012, 02:02 PM)
Canning is good.
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Canning's no good; kids go to school to learn, not to work as cheap/unpaid labour. Caning, on the other hand..... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Jul 5 2012, 01:51 PM)
Rotan also no use...kids moral depends on their parents...
if parents spoil their children...nothing teacher can do...whistling.gif
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nowadays, parents dump their children to maid.
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QUOTE(smallbug @ Jul 5 2012, 02:03 PM)
Canning's no good; kids go to school to learn, not to work as cheap/unpaid labour. Caning, on the other hand.....  biggrin.gif
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damn. one extra N and my image is destroyed.

fu grammar nazi
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QUOTE(JeggaSimple @ Jul 5 2012, 02:06 PM)
damn. one extra N and my image is destroyed.

fu grammar nazi
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My old school already became pondan school so make no difference there.
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QUOTE(99chan @ Jul 5 2012, 01:05 PM)
without rotan. i'd probably become a pansy ass fruitcake.
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so you cannot be reason by the teachers and your parents with talking?

to teach and to educate doesn't mean you NEED to hit the children.

refuse to HIT the children doesn't mean you're IGNORING them.

hope people like you can understand such a simple concept.
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Jul 5 2012, 02:14 PM)
so you cannot be reason by the teachers and your parents with talking?

to teach and to educate doesn't mean you NEED to hit the children.

refuse to HIT the children doesn't mean you're IGNORING them.

hope people like you can understand such a simple concept.
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HEY LOOK!!! A PANSY ASS FRUITCAKE!!!
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no wonder so many pondan nowdays, sikit2 report
last time I kena strangle by guru besar no kecoh at all
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Jul 5 2012, 02:14 PM)
so you cannot be reason by the teachers and your parents with talking?

to teach and to educate doesn't mean you NEED to hit the children.

refuse to HIT the children doesn't mean you're IGNORING them.

hope people like you can understand such a simple concept.
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reasoning with pansy ass school kids. seems legit. yeap

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I propose every mistake dr.sorian's kid make, he get the rotan..
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A good tip before laying rotan..

ask them, why did you get rotan?
emphasise what they have done before rotan..

I was lucky I had a good discipline teacher.

everytime rotan budak, he will ask the student, what they done wrong. and he will tell them, I rotan bukan nk pukul, but to teach..
then zasss....
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post Jul 5 2012, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(fantagero @ Jul 5 2012, 02:23 PM)
A good tip before laying rotan..

ask them, why did you get rotan?
emphasise what they have done before rotan..

I was lucky I had a good discipline teacher.

everytime rotan budak, he will ask the student, what they done wrong. and he will tell them, I rotan bukan nk pukul, but to teach..
then zasss....
pedih bontot
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my disipline teacher "mr.vijay" from la salle klang always tell us a joke. then when we laugh, smack... fuuuuuu le pain
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QUOTE(RoyMcAvoy @ Jul 5 2012, 02:25 PM)
bila dah dapat title Dr. mulalah lupa daratan... whistling.gif
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ntah2 diri sendiri tak penah kene rotan.

then when become in power, say rotan no use.. lol
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 5 2012, 02:25 PM)
my disipline teacher "mr.vijay" from la salle klang always tell us a joke. then when we laugh, smack... fuuuuuu le pain
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kids nowadays all lembik, tau mau ikut Kpop dan Glee jer..
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QUOTE(bananajoe @ Jul 5 2012, 02:25 PM)
my disipline teacher "mr.vijay" from la salle klang always tell us a joke. then when we laugh, smack... fuuuuuu le pain
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I can go one better. One time just before my discipline teacher rotan me he asked, "In a blackjack game when a player wants another card what must he say to the dealer? If you get it right I won't whack you." I said "Hit Me!" then he said "Ok if you said so!"

WHACK!
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QUOTE(St. Orion @ Jul 5 2012, 02:33 PM)
I can go one better. One time just before my discipline teacher rotan me he asked, "In a blackjack game when a player wants another card what must he say to the dealer? If you get it right I won't whack you." I said "Hit Me!" then he said "Ok if you said so!"

WHACK!
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but cant blame the society for wanting the ban.
nowadays, teacher so stupid one

http://shine.yahoo.com/team-mom/spanking-l...-175900678.html

even at prison, only can hit butt area..


Added on July 5, 2012, 2:37 pmbut cant blame the society for wanting the ban.
nowadays, teacher so stupid one

http://shine.yahoo.com/team-mom/spanking-l...-175900678.html

even at prison, only can hit butt area..

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If my kids do something wrong at school, please do rotan ahead and let me know too, I will re-iterate the same thing at home again.

I don't want my kids to grow up like the sparkling sissy vampires.
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my discipline teacher's rotan has words written on it. he'll ask you to read it everytime he calls you out for caning.

"i need this" it reads.
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Caning is the way. Look at SMTk Kajang. Getting better compared to 10 years ago.
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Jul 5 2012, 02:40 PM)
Caning is the way. Look at SMTk Kajang. Getting better compared to 10 years ago.
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Highschool Kajang?
I though many pondan there.

edit: you mean teknik right? my bad tongue.gif

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back in school kena rotan many time and penampar 1 time.... i credit that for me not being a pondan...
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without rotan. i'd probably become a ***** wimpy loo.

kids nowadays really made me speechless.
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Thanks Rotan for teaching me not to do bad stuff..without you, i would have become a murderer, a rapist, and a lowlife thief..if God willing should i have a children of my own one day, and the rotan is banned, i will bring a rotan myself to the teacher and tell them to rotan my kid if they are behaving badly..=)
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during my time, selamba je Pengetua rotan tangan budak pompuan during weekly assembly..
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if they have rotan in canada there wouldnt be bieber
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QUOTE(nestlebliss @ Jul 5 2012, 04:19 PM)
if they have rotan in canada there wouldnt be bieber
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I tot he is into canning and spanking... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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if my kids doing the wrong thing, i dont mind if teacher kasi rotan sedas dua...
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Imo parents only can cane

If other pipel cane sure problems wan
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Jul 5 2012, 02:40 PM)
Caning is the way. Look at SMTk Kajang. Getting better compared to 10 years ago.
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technical school? in my day at SMT Melaka Tengah every Tuesday got assembly, just one kid make trouble in assembly, all male student got rotan except pengawas, budak2 berbaris termasuk aku... so every tuesday wear short pant inside lolz... but that teach everyone how to behave...

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I came from a strict chinese school where rattan and that rubber hand stick were often used on the ass, the leg and palm to discipline and humiliate pupils. And I turned out just FINE.
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ban rotan? last time my parent free rotan to teacher saying , if not enough please ask for more, i will buy rotan for teacher

at home got 2 rotan , sometimes dad mum combo rotan..

psychology effect? after kena rotan? MY ASS
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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Jul 5 2012, 04:31 PM)
ban rotan? last time my parent free rotan to teacher saying , if not enough please ask for more, i will buy rotan for teacher

at home got 2 rotan , sometimes dad mum combo rotan..

psychology effect? after kena rotan? MY ASS
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LLLOOOLLLL my parents did the same....they even said if he misbehave please rotan... nod.gif
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QUOTE(apisfires @ Jul 5 2012, 04:25 PM)
technical school? in my day at SMT Melaka Tengah every Tuesday got assembly, just one kid make trouble in assembly, all male student got rotan except pengawas, budak2 berbaris termasuk aku... so every tuesday wear short pant inside lolz... but that teach everyone how to behave...
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Haha, sekolah teknik kajang guru2 dia agak luar biasa. Especially yang ajar aliran vokasional. Kadang2 bukan rotan, pukul, tampar, sepak pun ada kalau kesalahan serious. True story. I've seen it with my own eyes.
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Jul 5 2012, 02:14 PM)
so you cannot be reason by the teachers and your parents with talking?

to teach and to educate doesn't mean you NEED to hit the children.

refuse to HIT the children doesn't mean you're IGNORING them.

hope people like you can understand such a simple concept.
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The question is, does that kid understand that what they did is an offense? If they dont understand, what for to reason to them. Give them some rotan so they understand that the offense is punishable and will not repeat it again.

And yet, teenage now days complain their parents ignoring them, but when parents rotan them said parents is bad for rotan them sweat.gif

There is no simple concept in this. To discipline a child means to show them what is wrong and what is right. That is why they ask so many questions. If the child do nothing wrong, let it be and give them reward (praise, gift, etc) when they do something good. If they do wrong, teach them that its wrong and punish them accordingly.
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If got rotan in school must take it like a boss, if tell parents, chances are getting another round of rotan. LOL
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Jul 5 2012, 04:37 PM)
Haha, sekolah teknik kajang guru2 dia agak luar biasa. Especially yang ajar aliran vokasional. Kadang2 bukan rotan, pukul, tampar, sepak pun ada kalau kesalahan serious. True story. I've seen it with my own eyes.
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Dr A. SOORIAN must have a grudge against rotan or watch the wrong kind of movie maybe.
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Dr A. SOORIAN must have a grudge against rotan or watch the wrong kind of movie maybe.
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Kids these days...sigh.

Bring iPhone and iPad to school. Do homework on computers and shit. Physical education class asks them to go play football for a while, pergi complain panas nak mampus. Listening to Justin Beaver, One Direction etc.

Kena rotan sikit, straight away wanna sue the school.

We are raising a generation of pondan/faggot or what?
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oh shit vokasional guru dia lagi ganas...  brows.gif
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Yela, aku tak pasti kenapa rata2 guru vokasional lagi ganas dari guru biasa.
Bila fikir balik, memang patut pun hukuman rotan, pukul semua ni. Sebab kalau aku bandingkan SMTk Kajang dengan Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan masa aku form 1 - 3, jauh beza tahap disiplin walaupun pelajar SMTk Kajang lagi 'keras' dan otai dari pelajar sekolah biasa. Tak pernah aku dengar pelajar lawan guru, atau samseng luar datang buat kacau masa aku kat SMTk Kajang. Ni dekat SMK biasa aku, dari dulu sampaila sekarang tak habis2 budak2 nak tunjuk samseng, siap panggil orang luar lagi. Kalau kat Teknik, jangan harapla..
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Until now my gf still rotan me during piap piap and i no komplen also

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Yela, aku tak pasti kenapa rata2 guru vokasional lagi ganas dari guru biasa.
Bila fikir balik, memang patut pun hukuman rotan, pukul semua ni. Sebab kalau aku bandingkan SMTk Kajang dengan Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan masa aku form 1 - 3, jauh beza tahap disiplin walaupun pelajar SMTk Kajang lagi 'keras' dan otai dari pelajar sekolah biasa. Tak pernah aku dengar pelajar lawan guru, atau samseng luar datang buat kacau masa aku kat SMTk Kajang. Ni dekat SMK biasa aku, dari dulu sampaila sekarang tak habis2 budak2 nak tunjuk samseng, siap panggil orang luar lagi. Kalau kat Teknik, jangan harapla..
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Great! as if the current number of rempit and ah beng is not enough. They want to create more.
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Without rotan,u can see what kids these day be..


Added on July 5, 2012, 4:59 pmWithout rotan,u can see what kids these day be..

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With rotan, I see what kind of people we produce these days...

People who believe in using gang power and intimidation to get their way, no matter right or wrong.

Like the parents you just describe

Like our beloved bijan and crews.....
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i start to lie at the age of 9 years old..... my teacher rotan me like no tmrw and my father also rotan me .... after that i nvr lie

if they no rotan me i will be the biggest scammer in this world
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When I was in highschool, my teacher even ask us to choose which rotan we want him to use to rotan us. All of us pick the biggest diameter because small diameter sgt pedih ooo. After rotan session, the rotan usually become useless and hancur already. No cry or report to mommy daddy. In fact we laugh and smile when the teacher left eventho buntut sakit tak ingat. One time masa prep, one class bising, all students in other 6 class kena line up and rotan kat buntut..hahaha..
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Ex skolah teknik student here.. Got canned at the ass cuntless time lost count now. Take it like a man huhu

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one of my friend her mother teacher at KL

ajar sekolah biasa, dalam kelas got anak celebrity malaysia

and the budak is so fukken rude and has like some sort of power in school

rotan sikit, cubit, marah he report to parents

and parents straight away sue school

wtf man nowadays

we are raising pondans
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haha i remember my 5 year old neighbour, dunno where he heard the word cxbai and etc. When he's angry he will start screaming cxbai, pxntxt and etc.

later his father heard him said that and smack him really good.

never heard him spout obscene words anymore after that.

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when a massage through verbal communication fail to be comprehend, then a more intimate measure should be taken
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if no use rotan, need to advise and use all those psychological stuff.

Teachers nowadays where got all study psychology one?

It's gonna turn ugly in the future.
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without rotan. i'd probably become a pansy ass fruitcake.
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when a massage through verbal communication fail to be comprehend, then a more intimate measure should be taken
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has not massages been communicated through a far more intimate physical method before?
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tomorrow i kena rotan
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QUOTE(pineapplegrenade @ Jul 5 2012, 01:10 PM)
I wholeheartedly agreed.

Discipline problem, I blame the parent.
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both parents are already busy at work and no time to take care of kids yet wouldn't allow the teacher to teach discipline... well, this is what the newer generation gonna turn out to be...

spoiled, pampered, demanding and i believe many more...


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QUOTE(Sethmaster @ Jul 5 2012, 05:01 PM)
With rotan, I see what kind of people we produce these days...

People who believe in using gang power and intimidation to get their way, no matter right or wrong.

Like the parents you just describe

Like our beloved bijan and crews.....
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teacher only rotan after the wrong-doing has been done..
not a form of prevention.
plus, a teacher has limition when canning, max 3 times.

what najib done is form of prevention and gaining power. which has nothing to do with small-scale parenting here.

teacher not using rotan so that they can gain power, or ask money from students.
parents don't use rotan so that they can get money from their children.
what a stupid idea of yours

and if you are comparing najib with said /k parents here, probably you are pansy sissy cupcake.

MOST of discipline problems at school are coming from home
parents too busy with work, no time to chat look up for children. only leave duit belanja in the morning, come back late night from work.
parents so poor, but children demand more because see other students brought iPAD at school..
some, came from rich family, got every gadget a man can think of, but still cause discipline problem.

because at school, they are heard. everytime they cause a problem, teacher pay attention to them. not a good attention, but better than being nothing at home.

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This is why kids these days are getting more and more stubborn.
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Kids these days very pondan... little bit pain straight away go complain to mommy. During my time... kena 5 stroke of 12mm thick rotan from HM for insulting a teacher. Pain for few days only. But worth it as the teacher was a b**** to begin with. She later got transferred out after hitting a VVIP son. HAHAHA!

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Kids these day la yada2...

When your child get scold from teacher, most parents obviously back up their own child without knowing root of the problem.


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If my kids do something wrong at school, please do rotan ahead and let me know too, I will re-iterate the same thing at home again.

I don't want my kids to grow up like the sparkling sissy vampires.
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ban rotan? last time my parent free rotan to teacher saying , if not enough please ask for more, i will buy rotan for teacher

at home got 2 rotan , sometimes dad mum combo rotan..

psychology effect? after kena rotan? MY ASS
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if i ever have kids on my own, i wouldnt mind.

better for them to get rotan today than to become setan later.

rotan or setan? i choose the former...
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HEY LOOK!!! A PANSY ASS FRUITCAKE!!!
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if you mean to educate someone that will only listen to authority with no question like Nazis did, then yes, you're educated well.

unfortunately nearly all modern education DO NOT use physical punishment anymore. Have you heard modern kids have discipline issues in the world yet?
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should ban police dari rotan.. semua penjenayah boleh insaf kalau polis geli2 kt perut
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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Jul 13 2012, 04:51 PM)
if you mean to educate someone that will only listen to authority with no question like Nazis did, then yes, you're educated well.

unfortunately nearly all modern education DO NOT use physical punishment anymore. Have you heard modern kids have discipline issues in the world yet?
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modern kids may not have discipline issues.

they may not have balls too.
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Apadaa...
Aku time sekolah dulu.. Cikgu lempang, siap cakap Terima Kasih lagi...

Sapa yang balik mengadu kat mak bapak.. kena lempang sekali lagi...


Poyo ja bebudak sekarang...
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QUOTE(Killer Tomato @ Jul 13 2012, 05:01 PM)
Apadaa...
Aku time sekolah dulu.. Cikgu lempang, siap cakap Terima Kasih lagi...

Sapa yang balik mengadu kat mak bapak.. kena lempang sekali lagi...
Poyo ja bebudak sekarang...
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I did that once...and the teacher butthurt... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(99chan @ Jul 13 2012, 04:57 PM)
modern kids may not have discipline issues.

they may not have balls too.
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This lead to no constructive argument at all. I better end it here.
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without rotan, me being a bullshitter for money!

new gen doesnt appreciate wat the rotan can do....
we need to civilized them....


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Last time me mother bought rotan and ask me to giv teacher as gift...
Le teacher test it on me...
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the fundamental flaw in that article is that he compared us with the US. With the environment and economics being so different between the two countries, not to mention other factors such as culture, lifestyle, etc...these European studies cannot be used in our countries unless its conducted specifically in or for an Asian country.

I take this article as the first Doctor's rant...with his son being disobedient enough to kena rotan tongue.gif


Added on July 13, 2012, 10:27 pmcan anyone confirm if this is a real doctor...of if he bought his cert off the Internet?
honestly to think like this...is just incredibly selfish.

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kayu empat segi, bukan rotan bulat. kena bahagian bucu gooding. awesome discipline teacher, i mean seriously
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nowadays, students got punished n parents will call lawyer. back in the old days parents will punish you after you have been punished by the teacher
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better rotan unless u want ur kids become justin bibir..or more become gay..kids nowsday all weak one..u scold them they become emo..ptuihh..such weaking
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no need rotan. i still remember my teacher juz break a branch from a tree nearby and sebat!
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laugh.gif... back in my school days, the rotan's diameter was as big as a 5 sen ceiling...

kids these days are sissy and parents are overly protected....
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ye lah tu, nak sgt ikut US. perangai budak2 kat sane pun dah macam setan.
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QUOTE(lck*G9 @ Jul 5 2012, 01:06 PM)
laugh.gif... back in my school days, the rotan's diameter was as big as a 5 sen ceiling...

kids these days are sissy and parents are overly protected....
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Of course we need rotan.. Students nowadays are very rude and stubborn.. nod.gif
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No wonder kids these days are bunch of pussies, rude and idiot
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Jul 5 2012, 04:49 PM)
Yela, aku tak pasti kenapa rata2 guru vokasional lagi ganas dari guru biasa.
Bila fikir balik, memang patut pun hukuman rotan, pukul semua ni. Sebab kalau aku bandingkan SMTk Kajang dengan Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan masa aku form 1 - 3, jauh beza tahap disiplin walaupun pelajar SMTk Kajang lagi 'keras' dan otai dari pelajar sekolah biasa. Tak pernah aku dengar pelajar lawan guru, atau samseng luar datang buat kacau masa aku kat SMTk Kajang. Ni dekat SMK biasa aku, dari dulu sampaila sekarang tak habis2 budak2 nak tunjuk samseng, siap panggil orang luar lagi. Kalau kat Teknik, jangan harapla..
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rotan ada problems?I dont see any ..
without rotan sec school peeps are mofo uneducated . until now this 2" need to face racist meleis fags call cinis cina babi
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QUOTE(iSean @ Jul 14 2012, 01:31 AM)
rotan ada problems?I dont see any  ..
without rotan sec school peeps are mofo uneducated . until now this 2" need to face racist meleis fags call cinis cina babi
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like they wan cari pasal with cina for no reason.. doh.gif


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punishment. of cos there are many ways.
but physical punishment is one of the most effective way.
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ya should ban rotan, save cost, just ask them to stand inside dustbin to become rubbish for a day~ save cost since every classroom usually having 2 rubbish bin, front and back. More effective to humiliate the kids and create more future lunatic....
no choice la with our current standards of education, the quality of educators and system we having...we need rotan....until the day that teachers and lecturers were qualified enough to teach the students to use their brains to think instead of just simply memorize, qualified enough to guide the students to form proper characters and visions through their own passions, spirits and characters.
however, parents do bear 70% of the responsibility, kids prefer to learn from the person they trusted the most, set them as learning target and try to copy everything from them.
our universities should be our country's backbone, the house of R&D for Malaysia....look at the quality of our ministry of education, then the mentality of professors we having in our local uni....and the graduates we having these days...haizz, really no eye c byeee
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Rotan do give us memories... and i believe rotan is not wrong anyway... at least Rotan generation is currently far better and more discipline than the current young generation...
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Instead of rotan, use the following.

a) belt
b) whip
c) push ups or any other physical exercise.

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Instead of rotan, use the following.

a) belt
b) whip
c) push ups or any other physical exercise.
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QUOTE(ashcrimson @ Jul 5 2012, 01:57 PM)
ban rotan. just ask them to STAND behind/outside the class AND STRIP and hold their heavy bags over their head

no touching, less insulting and receive some free physical training
if everything also ban might as well send their children to cc and let they build their confidence while sohaing and hamkachaning other people while playing dota
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QUOTE(iSean @ Jul 14 2012, 01:31 AM)
rotan ada problems?I dont see any  ..
without rotan sec school peeps are mofo uneducated . until now this 2" need to face racist meleis fags call cinis cina babi
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public caning is fun
especially during monday assembly
in front of all students from F1 to F5
oh yeah just because some nutjob did not flush the toilet
all male student got canning
nobody never not flush toilet anymore after that

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Rotan do give us memories... and i believe rotan is not wrong anyway... at least Rotan generation is currently far better and more discipline than the current young generation...
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it's because got rotan in school i dun become sampah masyarakat
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