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 LYN Proton INSPIRA Owners and Fans Thread V39!, Welcum to cheap-jing's thread.

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Rubz77
post Jun 20 2012, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(Rubz77 @ Jun 20 2012, 02:06 PM)
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Not alien language... i just see $$$$$$

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post Jun 20 2012, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(Rubz77 @ Jun 20 2012, 02:06 PM)
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The Engineer's language in Prometheus...??? thumbup.gif thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(miuk @ Jun 20 2012, 02:09 PM)
Not alien language... i just see $$$$$$

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Where got...?? All are technical stuff, RMS la, peak power la, ratings la...

Not one reference to actual product.... except to point out the super reeeeech man's IDMAX subs....

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post Jun 20 2012, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(Xai-V-iaX @ Jun 20 2012, 01:48 PM)
Well extra RMS draw doesn't necessarily kills off your voice coils and suspensions IMHO. You are forgetting that your amps don't run at 100% efficiency (apart from Class A amps).

A basic rule is to work out your speaker's RMS power rating and impedance loading on each amplifier channel, then make sure the amplifier is capable of delivering 50 - 100% RMS power above the speaker's RMS power rating. An example would be, 1 x 200watt RMS 4 Ohm speaker per channel should have an amplifier capable of delivering 300 - 400watts RMS per channel at 4 Ohms, and if you use 2 x 200watt RMS 4 Ohm speakers per channel and you require an amplifier capable of delivering 600 - 800watts RMS at 4ohms, and so on.

It all depends on individuals actually. I drive my tweeters & mids each with 200W RMS. Am I over-killing my speakers & tweets? Theoretically it may look like I am but I am also considering the efficiency rate the amplifier runs at and the gain its set to deliver.

***YES....the speakers will get 100W RMS if you feed them 100W RMS actively but if you're running them passives - that's what your crossovers are there for....
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Yup.correct.speakers r easier damaged if run by under powered amp.when an underpowered amp is at its max it will produce clipping or distortion n kill the speaker.haha its all RM.
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post Jun 20 2012, 02:30 PM

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I don't know shit about ice too...cincai pair speaker to amp...got sound can Liao la...
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post Jun 20 2012, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(generalhwh @ Jun 20 2012, 02:30 PM)
I don't know shit about ice too...cincai pair speaker to amp...got sound can Liao la...
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I lagi know nothing...I just use stock speakers...coz my hearing ability is not up to par with these guys..high pitch la..whatever la... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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post Jun 20 2012, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(rublik @ Jun 20 2012, 02:35 PM)
Some like ice and some like ice cream
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i think nzh likes to ice cream pronstar.
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post Jun 20 2012, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(aminmh @ Jun 20 2012, 02:19 PM)
Yup.correct.speakers r easier damaged if run by under powered amp.when an underpowered amp is at its max it will produce clipping or distortion n kill the speaker.haha its all RM.
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QUOTE(miuk @ Jun 20 2012, 02:09 PM)
Not alien language... i just see $$$$$$

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post Jun 20 2012, 03:20 PM

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Y got no genting TT today? Im at setarbak noooowww
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post Jun 20 2012, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Rubz77 @ Jun 20 2012, 02:58 PM)
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post Jun 20 2012, 03:40 PM

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today thread moving slowwww....
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QUOTE(s@ni @ Jun 20 2012, 03:20 PM)
Y got no genting TT today? Im at setarbak noooowww
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really aa. got one TT meh?


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today thread moving slowwww....
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no batman to turbo booost the thread..

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post Jun 20 2012, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(Xai-V-iaX @ Jun 20 2012, 01:26 PM)
Well if you're playing your Maximo off the passives and are rated at 90W RMS irregardless of how much your amp churns out that 90W RMS is what it'll get. A crossover simply filters out a signal. You can add things like impedence correction, where the load seen by the amp at a certain frequency will be higher impedence then that of the drivers.

This can perhaps be seen as limiting power factor when running passives?
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Simple reason for going with 100W RMS amp is simply because most amps are overrated with some exceptions like Genesis, Abyss etc. The additional headroom will be useful for future upgrades, especially when going active with the new HU sweat.gif


QUOTE(Poadster @ Jun 20 2012, 01:58 PM)
Worse case scenario la....

All the above are french to me, excuis moi.... and i oredi say i donno anything about ICE and SQL...

Me simply copy paste from google, and google says if amp = 100RMS, your speakers ideally shld be 200RMS.... first time i hear amp rating shld be more than speakers...

Then again, i dont have an IDMAX sub, or even know what the heck is that, or that I have a looooooooong ICE mod list.... so what would i know....  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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Amp rating should always be more than speakers, so the Amp will never be driven to clip..Having more power also gives flexibility in dynamic headroom...As for "overpowering" the speakers..thats why you got to set the gain using an o-scope..

QUOTE(Xai-V-iaX @ Jun 20 2012, 01:48 PM)
Well extra RMS draw doesn't necessarily kills off your voice coils and suspensions IMHO. You are forgetting that your amps don't run at 100% efficiency (apart from Class A amps).
Amps don't run at 100% efficiency apart from Class A amps? shocking.gif So you saying Class A amp runs at 100% efficiency? WHICH ONE? I WANT TO BUY! TAKE MY MONEY!
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jun 20 2012, 03:47 PM)
Simple reason for going with 100W RMS amp is simply because most amps are overrated with some exceptions like Genesis, Abyss etc. The additional headroom will be useful for future upgrades, especially when going active with the new HU  sweat.gif
Amp rating should always be more than speakers, so the Amp will never be driven to clip..Having more power also gives flexibility in dynamic headroom...As for "overpowering" the speakers..thats why you got to set the gain using an o-scope.. 
Amps don't run at 100% efficiency apart from Class A amps?  shocking.gif So you saying Class A amp runs at 100% efficiency? WHICH ONE? I WANT TO BUY! TAKE MY MONEY!
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thank you!

i will pm u my account...

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Efficiency is a measure of how much of the power source is usefully applied to the amplifier's output. Class A amplifiers are very inefficient, in the range of 10–20% with a max efficiency of 25% for direct coupling of the output. Inductive coupling of the output can raise their efficiency to a maximum of 50%.
Drain efficiency is the ratio of output RF power to input DC power when primary input DC power has been fed to the drain of an FET. Based on this definition, the drain efficiency cannot exceed 25% for a class A amplifier that is supplied drain bias current through resistors (because RF signal has its zero level at about 50% of the input DC). Manufacturers specify much higher drain efficiencies, and designers are able to obtain higher efficiencies by providing current to the drain of the transistor through an inductor or a transformer winding. In this case the RF zero level is near the DC rail and will swing both above and below the rail during operation. While the voltage level is above the DC rail current is supplied by the inductor.
Class B amplifiers have a very high efficiency but are impractical for audio work because of high levels of distortion (See: Crossover distortion). In practical design, the result of a tradeoff is the class AB design. Modern Class AB amplifiers commonly have peak efficiencies between 30–55% in audio systems and 50-70% in radio frequency systems with a theoretical maximum of 78.5%.
Commercially available Class D switching amplifiers have reported efficiencies as high as 90%. Amplifiers of Class C-F are usually known to be very high efficiency amplifiers. RCA manufactured an AM broadcast transmitter employing a single class-C low mu triode with an RF efficiency in the 90% range.
More efficient amplifiers run cooler, and often do not need any cooling fans even in multi-kilowatt designs. The reason for this is that the loss of efficiency produces heat as a by-product of the energy lost during the conversion of power. In more efficient amplifiers there is less loss of energy so in turn less heat.
In RF linear Power Amplifiers, such as cellular base stations and broadcast transmitters, special design techniques can be used to improve efficiency. Doherty designs, which use a second output stage as a "peak" amplifier, can lift efficiency from the typical 15% up to 30-35% in a narrow bandwidth. Envelope Tracking designs are able to achieve efficiencies of up to 60%, by modulating the supply voltage to the amplifier in line with the envelope of the signal.

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post Jun 20 2012, 04:06 PM

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I just thought of something..

Mitsubishi Motors Malaysia = DRB Hicom
Proton = DRB Hicom

Proton Inspira is just a CKD Mitsubishi Lancer by Mitsubishi Motors Malaysia aka DRB Hicom. Service center also same.

No wonder Lancer owners lagi butthurt after DRB bought Proton.

QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jun 20 2012, 03:54 PM)
thank you!

i will pm u my account...

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can can. but I was thinking give you cash. will arrange time to do the auto-lock, cause not in town this week.
and my dad considering to fix the auto-flip mirrors.. he butt hurt cause other people Altis got and his Inspira don't have. rclxub.gif he self poison


Added on June 20, 2012, 4:06 pm
QUOTE(miuk @ Jun 20 2012, 04:05 PM)
Efficiency is a measure of how much of the power source is usefully applied to the amplifier's output. Class A amplifiers are very inefficient, in the range of 10–20% with a max efficiency of 25% for direct coupling of the output. Inductive coupling of the output can raise their efficiency to a maximum of 50%.
Drain efficiency is the ratio of output RF power to input DC power when primary input DC power has been fed to the drain of an FET. Based on this definition, the drain efficiency cannot exceed 25% for a class A amplifier that is supplied drain bias current through resistors (because RF signal has its zero level at about 50% of the input DC). Manufacturers specify much higher drain efficiencies, and designers are able to obtain higher efficiencies by providing current to the drain of the transistor through an inductor or a transformer winding. In this case the RF zero level is near the DC rail and will swing both above and below the rail during operation. While the voltage level is above the DC rail current is supplied by the inductor.
Class B amplifiers have a very high efficiency but are impractical for audio work because of high levels of distortion (See: Crossover distortion). In practical design, the result of a tradeoff is the class AB design. Modern Class AB amplifiers commonly have peak efficiencies between 30–55% in audio systems and 50-70% in radio frequency systems with a theoretical maximum of 78.5%.
Commercially available Class D switching amplifiers have reported efficiencies as high as 90%. Amplifiers of Class C-F are usually known to be very high efficiency amplifiers. RCA manufactured an AM broadcast transmitter employing a single class-C low mu triode with an RF efficiency in the 90% range.
More efficient amplifiers run cooler, and often do not need any cooling fans even in multi-kilowatt designs. The reason for this is that the loss of efficiency produces heat as a by-product of the energy lost during the conversion of power. In more efficient amplifiers there is less loss of energy so in turn less heat.
In RF linear Power Amplifiers, such as cellular base stations and broadcast transmitters, special design techniques can be used to improve efficiency. Doherty designs, which use a second output stage as a "peak" amplifier, can lift efficiency from the typical 15% up to 30-35% in a narrow bandwidth. Envelope Tracking designs are able to achieve efficiencies of up to 60%, by modulating the supply voltage to the amplifier in line with the envelope of the signal.

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thats why i say i want to buy Xai-V-iaX's Class A 100% efficient amp

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High Jason, why ur polo tee so sexpensive?
Pasar Malam RM15 only.
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post Jun 20 2012, 04:18 PM

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The maximo are tuned to be more brighter in the range of 6k to 11k to compensate the lower end market which most owner dun use big power for the speaker compare to their higher end spk. Thus, you might find it's quite bright on the tweet.

Unfortunately, the crossover are built to be small by reducing components used inside and it dun provide any tweeter level adjustment by the reduce of resistor used inside. By adjusting oem headunit frequency which is set at the range of 10-14k by clarion, it wont help to reduce the bright music for maximo. Changing a headunit will help but it's gonna be an extra cost. Nothing much to adjust from oem hu if you want a nature music.

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