As long as most people are satisfied or happy with it. As from my observation, most people just want simple, snap-and-go and they don't zoom in and see the details, they see the screen, nice contrast, colorful = good, satisfied, happy.
Not everyone check in detail and try to capture a better photo again and again. With N8, you get to enjoy by experimenting and trying to get the details to show up properly.
Last time aspire organize one photography session with mostly N8 owners, you can clearly see those participants keep trying to get that shot and checking out the details, having fun with photography.

Although N8 and 808 can produce good quality and detailed photos, it may not impress everyone who uses it as they prefer something more simple and straightforward, just like instagram, how those effects make the photo looks retro, very ooomph, artistic, classic, etc.

Oh ya, another thing, the display also plays an important role. With Samsung display or iPhone Retina, the photo will look like very bright, nice and colorful. You transfer the photo to other phone, it may not appear so nice. I tested transfer the photo from 808 to Galaxy Note. On 808, it already look nice, but viewing in Galaxy Note, it looks brighter, more punch and colorful.

Shoot a human portrait, especially FAIR girls. See what they say? Usually, they prefer them to look fair, not become dark skin tones.

But then, Samseng display may looks brighter, more punch and colorful. Best if send the file over from N8 to Samseng and then compare.

Amazing Shootout:
http://blog.gsmarena.com/nokia-808-purevie...-38mp-shootout/

It's clear how bad iPhone4S performed and the CNET editor claims it's the King of Camera Phone (instead of N8?). It goes to prove further that most people don't look into the details and just see the small size on screen as long it looks punch, contrasty and colorful (without knowing these can be easily enhance if needed).


Image Resize to 15% from 38MP.


Image Resize to 15% from 38MP.


Image Resize to 15% from 38MP.


One thing to note though, at high megapixel like 34MP or 38MP, you need really steady hands as slight shake and movement can easily cause blur. You may not see it until you zoom in to 100% you may notice even very very minor shake.
But once you resized it down to smaller megapixel, these minor shake is not obvious anymore.


This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 19 2012, 10:10 AM

DSLR big sensor, so more prone plus nowadays DSLR also high megapixel.
On older DSLR bodies with 12MP or lower, less issue. Many people who move from D90 to D7000 did experience the more sensitive to shake issue, all this due to higher megapixel (obvious when zoomed in)
D800 will be worst,

Thanks sifu. Already sold N8, cannot find a good camera phone, cannot always bring DSLR, so miss many moment already; Now at least got 808 can help to take better quality pictures.
But I shoot more indoor photos.

No, I leave all at default, lazy to adjust, later I don't like, hard to recover. If you set at default, if you want more punch color or more contrast, just increase it via edit.
The default preset not so punchy and contrasty, but when taking human subject, the skin tones is really nice, especially when under good lighting and using low ISO, the skin color very natural and soft/nice (unlike other camera smartphone, the skin color too much contrast, too saturated, etc).

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 19 2012, 11:35 AM

Cropped and Resized version:





This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 19 2012, 12:39 PM

Yes, a bit shaky. I've mentioned in previous page, if you shooting full resolution at 38MP, it's very sensitive to shake, haha, somemore it's an event, you can't take your sweet time, plus many people around.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 19 2012, 12:57 PM

Technically yes, but not easy when you're shooting at full resolution and then view at 100% crop. Even D800 with over 30MP, there're advice to use twice the shutter speed rule.

Also depends, some people have very steady hands should be no problem. I can't, I notice it's much more harder than N8 to handheld and get sharp photo everytime. Hit and miss; Like previous page, the Gong Cha photo, I also shoot at full resolution and it's inside the mall low light, since there's no restrictions, can have more time to try to get sharper photo.

Another example is, when shooting using PureView (8MP, 5MP or 3MP), you can handheld much easier. When shooting full resolution, it's much more sensitive to even minor shake; You may not be able to see from the screen until you zoom in view in large size.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 19 2012, 02:32 PM

Of course.

More or less the same? Didn't really compare or go into details of the color differences. Basically I just shoot at default, if not enough contrast then I pump in more contrast and/or reduce the brightness, for the simple edit if required. Both N8 and 808 output tends to be less contrasty compared to others (or they expose more to the right) for the metering. You can reduce the exposure value to get more contrast, but in under expose, you know what happen to the skin tones "lah".

Want expert opinion, have to wait for Sifu Calvin to experiment and explain

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 19 2012, 03:10 PM

Ok la, most of time I also lazy edit in phone, cannot see when edit also (cannot zoom in during edit); So, just upload straight.
Transfer to PC easier to edit, can check details more.
For day shot, usually no need edit also looks good. But depends how picky you are la, sometimes "itchy" ma go edit and make it more punch, contrasty; It also depends on individual taste, some people like pump high contrast or vibrance, I prefer not too much contrast (it looks oomph on small screen, but when view details, it's usually not so good)

Just take any human photo, pump up the contrast, and compare the skin tone. The skin will become darker like burned when too much contrast, but if you don't see the detail and see overall picture, it may look punchy, dramatic, etc.

See those portraits photo or CY's photo, it looks good because the skin tone is nice; When you underexpose, the clothes color look nice and deep color, but the skin color will look like burned (aka "Chao Tah" in Hokkien). So need to balance and see what you're shooting sometimes. Too bad I don't know PS, else can do selective PP in detail; As what previously someone in Neekon thread help to PP your Miku Cosplay photo; if not wrong he did selective PP, to balance the each part; This you cannot get it in camera and camera has limitations.

The cosplay one lo, a guy cosplay the snow miku. You post in Neekon forum you forgot? Then many sifu go PP their version, then one sifu PP till very keng.

PureView Mode (5MP if not wrong) - Max Zoom + Close Up AF
1/14sec @ ISO 400
Extra: Cropped a little


PureView Mode (5MP if not wrong) - Max Zoom + Close Up AF
1/14sec @ ISO 400
Extra: Resize, else too large for upload

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 20 2012, 02:48 PM

The controls are really limited. I tried increase the ISO, but seems unable to get a decent shutter speed for movement. Too bad we can't control the shutter speed... it'll be nice if there is.

Another options is to use Sports Mode, which in theory should prioritize shutter speed, but the AF will be lock to Hyperfocal.

I want AF, but seems adjusting the ISO manually doesn't really give a decent shutter speed; Need to test more.

Anyway, it will be nice also to have:
1. Manual Focus
2. 1/3 ISO selection

The Close-Up mode, seems need to keep quite a distance away, especially when shooting at full resolution mode; kind of defeat the purpose of Close Up in this case.

Need to be quite a distance (should be around 15cm, not sure, not good with estimation), especially if you're using full res or no zoom.
Try zoom in maximum, I notice it can get focus lock easier; since you're zoomed-in, it kind of make up for the longer distance.

Noise is there, even at ISO100 is shoot at full res, the dark areas noise is noticeable; but nothing much can be expected from a camera phone or compact.
I just hope we can have more control like Shutter Priority mode, more information on the display (e.g. current shutter speed, ISO, etc) and also information when viewing the photo (e.g. shutter speed used, ISO, etc).

Anyway, thanks to the large aperture and ability to maintain the aperture even when using maximum zoom, it's helpful and makes a difference. Due to the high MP, it's seems very sensitive to slight shake even the shutter speed is fast, but when using PureView mode with maximum zoom, it's less steady yet, it seems much easier to get sharp photos.

As for the output, haven't try any Full HD, but last time with N8, no issues with 720p.

It's the NR (Noise Reduction) applied. Most people usually easily fooled by the NR thinking there's less noise, but actually it's destroying the details; I prefer little or no noise reduction or let use choose in option, we can still apply NR later if we want, but if default already applied NR, then you can't do much.

The display also plays a role. The photo taken with 808 PureView, when send to Note, will look even more nice, more bright, more oomph, more syok!!! Same goes for iP0rn4s, when taken, it makes the photo stand out, very lively (as commented by one of my friend). So, when you put a good photo into iP0rn4s, it'll look even better.

It's due to the sensor size. Normal sensor size is 4:3 format. So when you capture 16:9, it will be using less part of the sensor. This applies for all cameras, if they make 16:9 format sensor, then when you shoot at 4:3 format, you will loose some pixels.
Hence, why Nokia imaging team comes up with a ROUND sensor. So, the total sensor size is 41MP (ROUND), but effect use is 38MP (4:3) and 34MP (16:9).

Ok, they didn't show like Nokia?
When you change ratio, it will show different MP.
e.g.
4:3 = 38MP
16:9 = 34MP