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TSWoodStock
post Jun 12 2012, 10:30 PM, updated 14y ago

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Dear all expert and sifu,

i am driving Perodua Kenari.
during day time, the weather is extremely hot, and when i got into car, i sweat like crazy even i on the air con.. the air con is not cool..
during night time, the car air con still ok, can feel the cool..

so, i goto this workshop, recommended by my friend.
the mechanic told me need to service the air con(RM250), and add gas (RM60)

ok, i gave them the key, and expect to pickup the car in 2 hours.
but then, i received their call after 1 hour, saying my condenser leak oil(RM400), compressor spoilt(RM450 for recon compressor).. need replacement..

what to do... it is >RM1k!!!! but still have to fix it.. the mechanic guarantee me it will be very cool after the replacement..

the mechanic promise can complete by 5pm.. but i wait until 6pm, still no news.. i call back, they said they still working on it.. at 7pm, i cannot wait already, i directly go back to workshop, and i saw them like troubleshooting the aircon.. but the mechanic said putting too much gas, cannot work, they release some gas out, and assembly back my car..

i got my car back at 8pm.. i found, quarter of the car fuel gone.. wondering how long did they troubleshooting.. but, it is night, the car is cool.. ok
but the next day, i went out at 1pm, the car air con is cool, but really not so cool only..
i spent 1k+, but still the air con is just slightly cool only.. really feel frustrated!!

call back the mechanic, he asked me to send the car to him for checking again..

well, i change almost everything for the car air con, how come it is still like this..?? the condenser really need to change simply because it is dirty and have many small rock meh?? if no leaking, cannot just wash??
get cheated? mechanic no experience??


the picture for my old compressor and condenser attached.
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ADD-ON:
i never urge them to fast. they promise me 5pm, i wait until 6pm, then only call back to check if they forgot to call me... 7pm only i go back, because i feel it must be really wrong with the troubleshooting if cannot solve in 2 hours.

when i arrive, they quickly finish the thing and give me back the car.. this really make me feel like they are hiding something. the quarter of car fuel gone, meaning they have been running the engine for long long time. worse is, the car air con still not cool at the afternoon, so the problem is not fixed!

spending RM1.2k, wasted whole day, but not solve the problem, but the mechanic didnt tell me what is the problem they troubleshooting, really dishonest and disappointing lo..

what i am worry is, the air con is just small problem on pipe, but the experience lacking mechanic change whole set from condenser to compressor, but not fixing the problem pipe.. then i am spending RM1.2k for nothing!@!@, assuming: experience mechanic might can fix the pipe in 5min for RM50...


BLOWER:
before service, the blower is good even at level 1..
now i hardly feel the wind at level 1.. set to level 2, then only i can get same level 1 last time.. but at level 2, i can hear the fan run very fast and noisy which previous only happen at level 3 and 4...........

THE PROBLEM CONTINUE............

an update to my case.

i went back to that shop to fix my air-con last 2 weeks.

he troubleshoot and do fixing, but still not cool.
he said the compressor give not enough pressure and he said he will change one.

after change the compressor, the car air-con even very worse.

when i asked him, he said he will order another brand of compressor for me. this is the third compressor.

but this time he left the thing to an indian to do it. the indian just change my compressor without even open my bumper. in that tiny space, i feel really worry, and i talk to the boss, but the boss keep saying ok one, can one.

i feel really uncomfortable with the way they working, and i told the boss, you just refund me, put in the original compressor, i will get other people to do. because of this, i have to spent whole day, from morning until evening just to fix these problems. but the boss refuse!

i saw that indian dissemble my paip, air sucker and etc, so that he could put the compressor into that tiny space. even when they are installing, they face the oil leaking problem, in front of me. again, the boss keep saying no problem, just change the rubber.

finally, the air con is cool on this 3rd compressor. BUT, before i left, i open up the car's front cover to final check and found the Indian forgot to put back the air sucker, and few screw didnt put in back. really irresponsible and terrible. luckily, i did check, else really dont know what will happen to my car.

but, this few days, i found the compressor is leaking oil. at night, i put paper under the compressor and found, it is oil leaking.

oil leaking compressor - problem?
i believe the compressor will not dead in 1 month (as warranty given), but it definitely kill my compressor in 1 year or more.


please advise.

This post has been edited by WoodStock: Jul 4 2012, 06:20 PM
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post Jun 12 2012, 10:41 PM

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i think you kena cheated already, fyi service aircond plus add gas for Myvi only RM170 and after service my car aircond can feel cold already.
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QUOTE(csting87 @ Jun 12 2012, 10:41 PM)
i think you kena cheated already, fyi service aircond plus add gas for Myvi only RM170 and after service my car aircond can feel cold already.
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if part replacement, it wont be rm170

however rm1k seems to be con job.
worse of all, after all that time and money, no result. doh.gif
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:00 PM

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is the temperature level set to maximum cool already? or half middle?
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Bro,

Repairing a car need time especially when troubleshooting

U keep urge them to hand u the car,how well u expect the car can be done in perfect?

gv them time to check/troubleshoot..... Dun direct say ppl cheat u just because u spend rm1k++....

If u said they didn't replace the said parts,this call cheat....

But rm400 for condenser is expensive....is this genuine? Normal one is rm2xx normally.

Record compressor normally rm3xx, if rm450 wit install then it's acceptable


Added on June 12, 2012, 11:02 pm
QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 12 2012, 10:58 PM)
if part replacement, it wont be rm170

however rm1k seems to be con job.
worse of all, after all that time and money, no result.  doh.gif
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If rm1k to replace recond compressor,condenser n service entire aircond system n refill ac gas is expensive and considered con job....how much is reasonable and is not con job may I ask u?

This post has been edited by huakenny: Jun 12 2012, 11:12 PM
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:23 PM

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It's a con job. I think the air on man is not experienced enough.
Good AC man should diagnose first. Check for leak before telling, ' u need to replace evaporator ,'only after dismantling it out. Normally AC man don't simply replace it if it's not leaking. Did he check the gas pressure during diagnosis?

Putting wrong gas pressure proves that this guy is no good. Normally, AC man have a handbook of wat pressure for every car possible. Has this man got handbook?

This post has been edited by ahsam1212: Jun 12 2012, 11:56 PM
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jun 12 2012, 11:00 PM)
Bro,

Repairing a car need time especially when troubleshooting

U keep urge them to hand u the car,how well u expect the car can be done in perfect?

gv them time to check/troubleshoot..... Dun direct say ppl cheat u just because u spend rm1k++....

If u said they didn't replace the said parts,this call cheat....

But rm400 for condenser is expensive....is this genuine? Normal one is rm2xx normally.

Record compressor normally rm3xx, if rm450 wit install then it's acceptable


Added on June 12, 2012, 11:02 pm

If rm1k to replace recond compressor,condenser n service entire aircond system n refill ac gas is expensive and considered con job....how much is reasonable and is not con job may I ask u?
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i never urge them to fast. they promise me 5pm, i wait until 6pm, then only call back to check if they forgot to call me... 7pm only i go back, because i feel it must be really wrong with the troubleshooting if cannot solve in 2 hours.

when i arrive, they quickly finish the thing and give me back the car.. this really make me feel like they are hiding something. the quarter of car fuel gone, meaning they have been running the engine for long long time. worse is, the car air con still not cool at the afternoon, so the problem is not fixed!

spending RM1.2k, wasted whole day, but not solve the problem, but the mechanic didnt tell me what is the problem they troubleshooting, really dishonest and disappointing lo..

what i am worry is, the air con is just small problem on pipe, but the experience lacking mechanic change whole set from condenser to compressor, but not fixing the problem pipe.. then i am spending RM1.2k for nothing!@!@, assuming: experience mechanic might can fix the pipe in 5min for RM50...


This post has been edited by WoodStock: Jun 12 2012, 11:30 PM
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:35 PM

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hope experience sifu here could point out the real issue, or how to solve it..
very much appreciated..

it might not be the time to blame the mechanic for the any fault, but i really need to fix the problem, or spending another 5 days at his mechanic also useless!!
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Jun 12 2012, 11:23 PM)
It's a con job. I think the air on man is not experienced enough.
Good AC man should diagnose first. Check for leak before telling, ' u need to replace condenser,'only after dismantling it out. Normally AC man don't simply replace it if it's not leaking. Did he check the gas pressure during diagnosis?

Putting wrong gas pressure proves that this guy is no good. Normally, AC man have a handbook of wat pressure for every car possible. Has this man got handbook?
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initially, i thought it was air con not cool is because the air con running out of gas, so i just ask him to add gas..
but he check and tell me, the gas is ok, the not cool is because the air con need to service.. (RM250!)
so, here we can confirm it is not gas leaking!!


then from there, the story start as on first post above..
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:45 PM

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U sent to aircond shop or aksesori shop?

Seems like the shop u sending is not familiar wit aircond wo......If compressor n condenser no problems..better ask them use bc ur ori one....

So now problem solved yet?

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ok first of all im not sure 100% on this...what the thing that they service until RM250?? i only service aircond RM80 (cooling coil clean up + gas refill back + labour)..that's it...but i think the price is too much..recond compressor im not sure how much for kenari but my sis(iswara) change only around RM3XX but of course not include labour and all services..

since u say..
during day time, the weather is extremely hot, and when i got into car, i sweat like crazy even i on the air con.. the air con is not cool..
during night time, the car air con still ok, can feel the cool..

i guess maybe the aircond temp sensor?

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How old is your car?
When AC was last serviced?
How's the wind speed from blower?

There's absolutely no reason to change the evaporator since there's no leak. Should be cleaned n use back.

And, the rm 250 for service asked initially is pretty high too. Service n gas will cost rm 330 is too much. Normal service only 1xx Max. Gas 60 is OK.

What I think is, probably the recond compressor is not performing. Or temperature
sensor faulty, o wrongly placed.
Shop u visit is not pro in AC, seriously.

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post Jun 13 2012, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jun 12 2012, 11:45 PM)
U sent to aircond shop or aksesori shop?

Seems like the shop u sending is not familiar wit aircond wo......If compressor n condenser no problems..better ask them use bc ur ori one....

So now problem solved yet?
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it is workshop.. got new tyre and etc...
my friend normally service car here..

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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Jun 12 2012, 11:55 PM)
How old is your car?
When AC was last serviced?
How's the wind speed from blower?

There's absolutely no reason to change the evaporator since there's no leak. Should be cleaned n use back.

And, the rm 250 for service asked initially is pretty high too. Service n gas will cost rm 330 is too much. Normal service only 1xx Max. Gas 60 is OK.

What I think is, probably the recond compressor is not performing. Or temperature
sensor faulty, o wrongly placed.
Shop u visit is not pro in AC, seriously.
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good point on blower..

before service, the blower is good even at level 1..
now i hardly feel the wind at level 1.. set to level 2, then only i can get same level 1 last time.. but at level 2, i can hear the fan run very fast and noisy which previous only happen at level 3 and 4...........
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Where d shop bro?
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post Jun 13 2012, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jun 13 2012, 09:07 AM)
Where d shop bro?
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the terrible is, i stay at subang, the workshop at kajang..
i goto this workshop when i visit my friend at kajang, my friend recommend this workshop so i just go..
initially i thought just add gas, take <30min to add gas only..

will have to travel to kajang, just to fix this problem.. but could the workshop really able to fix??

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QUOTE(WoodStock @ Jun 13 2012, 11:01 AM)
the terrible is, i stay at subang, the workshop at kajang..
i goto this workshop when i visit my friend at kajang, my friend recommend this workshop so i just go..
initially i thought just add gas, take <30min to add gas only..

will have to travel to kajang, just to fix this problem.. but could the workshop really able to fix??
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what air cond shop in kajang?..i went to an aircond shop in kajang, change the compressor, luckily i bring back the one that he removed, and bring it to inspect at another aircond shop, it is 100% okay..then i ask the shop to install back and i returned back the recond one that was bought to the 1st shop and ask for refund..

BTW, i wont leave my used car parts at workshops because i know they might sell it back..

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QUOTE(WoodStock @ Jun 13 2012, 01:13 AM)
good point on blower..

before service, the blower is good even at level 1..
now i hardly feel the wind at level 1.. set to level 2, then only i can get same level 1 last time.. but at level 2, i can hear the fan run very fast and noisy which previous only happen at level 3 and 4...........
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This is bad. After service aka cleaning the evaporator (cooling coil), u should get more air flow. Installation not done properly?
Unless AC filter added, otherwise this cannot happen.

Suggest u get them settle the problem, cuz u have paid so much for it.
Go early n watch them settle, with the condition, not paying anything more.

Next time, do AC must go AC man, not those 'i do it all shop'.

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Last time I change my Kancil's compressor to a 2nd hand compressor.
It is cool until now after 2 years.

My experience, it depends on which shop you are going to service your aircond.
If you lucky, the person who service your aircond has good skill/experience.

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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jun 12 2012, 11:00 PM)

If rm1k to replace recond compressor,condenser n service entire aircond system n refill ac gas is expensive and considered con job....how much is reasonable and is not con job may I ask u?
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well i got my proton iswara's condenser/compressor replaced/air cond serviced/refill ac gas etc for around rm600

and i did mentioned "seems", if that is not the case, feel free to correct me on the accurate pricing for a kenari then smile.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 14 2012, 04:30 AM)
well i got my proton iswara's condenser/compressor replaced/air cond serviced/refill ac gas etc for around rm600

and i did mentioned "seems", if that is not the case, feel free to correct me on the accurate pricing for a kenari then smile.gif
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las time my kenari year 2001 full servis and change parts oso rm1-2k le..... rclxub.gif

do one time at penang coz broke down there...change all.....then back kl and suddenly the aircond hose kaboom(too high pressure i think)

then sent to fren ac shop do again....rm4xx...come out kaboom again, sent it and refix but its foc.....until now 3 years so far no problem

i kena potong at penang lo like that..... sweat.gif

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For ur issue, I hv to say tat 1.2k for a new condenser, compressor, workmanship n gas is too much. D most I'll accept is RM800-850, coz condensor is about 300 while recon compressor is +-350.

From wat I noticed, most so-called specialist would suggest straight away for parts replacement even before taking out d compressor, condensor n evaporator for individual leak test or a system flush. In ur case
- he claimed tat d gas amount is ok contradicts wit d result of leakage n parts replacement
- no mention bout eveporator cleaning coz its often d 1st thing to cause lower aircon performance esp when it does not hv a filter element b4 summarising tat theres a faulty part

As for ur blower issue, it sounds like the pipes r not reinstalled properly.

If I were u, I'll go to a aircon-only shop, n ask them to do a compression test on d ol compressor n condensor coz its very rare to hv both of them fail at d same time. They usually would plug d outlet, pump in compressed air n submerge in water. If there's bubbles then its really leaking. Then
- feedback to d ori shop for d working part, insist on reinstalling it back n ask for a refund
- without any further parts replacement, ask him to troubleshoot again n tis time b there while he's at it
- try to nego for partial refund since he initially did claim tat replacing both of those part will solve ur issue
- n if ur noe a bit bout cars, try to see if he checks d thermostat in d cabin (it decides n triggers when d compressor should run), n if u hear a "click" sound when d compressor kicks in.

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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jun 14 2012, 10:11 AM)
las time my kenari year 2001 full servis and change parts oso rm1-2k le..... rclxub.gif 

do one time at penang coz broke down there...change all.....then back kl and suddenly the aircond hose kaboom(too high pressure i think)

then sent to fren ac shop do again....rm4xx...come out kaboom again, sent it and refix but its foc.....until now 3 years so far no problem

i kena potong at penang lo like that..... sweat.gif
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or maybe kenari problem lo sweat.gif
spent so much and hose keep kaboom rclxub.gif

then again i supposed KL would have cheaper price? more mechanics/parts/shops, perhaps harder to chop people?
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an update to my case.

i went back to that shop to fix my air-con last 2 weeks.

he troubleshoot and do fixing, but still not cool.
he said the compressor give not enough pressure and he said he will change one.

after change the compressor, the car air-con even very worse.

when i asked him, he said he will order another brand of compressor for me. this is the third compressor.

but this time he left the thing to an indian to do it. the indian just change my compressor without even open my bumper. in that tiny space, i feel really worry, and i talk to the boss, but the boss keep saying ok one, can one.

i feel really uncomfortable with the way they working, and i told the boss, you just refund me, put in the original compressor, i will get other people to do. because of this, i have to spent whole day, from morning until evening just to fix these problems. but the boss refuse!

i saw that indian dissemble my paip, air sucker and etc, so that he could put the compressor into that tiny space. even when they are installing, they face the oil leaking problem, in front of me. again, the boss keep saying no problem, just change the rubber.

finally, the air con is cool on this 3rd compressor. BUT, before i left, i open up the car's front cover to final check and found the Indian forgot to put back the air sucker, and few screw didnt put in back. really irresponsible and terrible. luckily, i did check, else really dont know what will happen to my car.

but, this few days, i found the compressor is leaking oil. at night, i put paper under the compressor and found, it is oil leaking.

oil leaking compressor - problem?
i believe the compressor will not dead in 1 month (as warranty given), but it definitely kill my compressor in 1 year or more.


please advise.
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QUOTE(WoodStock @ Jul 4 2012, 06:21 PM)
oil leaking compressor - problem?
i believe the compressor will not dead in 1 month (as warranty given), but it definitely kill my compressor in 1 year or more.


please advise.
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Either a pipe isn't connected tight or a leak in the compressor. If you're very certain it's the compressor then better have it exchanged. If not & don't trust the ol' place, have it diagnosed somewhere else. I went to this place and was happy with their work: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2152035.
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QUOTE(WoodStock @ Jul 4 2012, 06:21 PM)
an update to my case.

i went back to that shop to fix my air-con last 2 weeks.

he troubleshoot and do fixing, but still not cool.
he said the compressor give not enough pressure and he said he will change one.

after change the compressor, the car air-con even very worse.

when i asked him, he said he will order another brand of compressor for me. this is the third compressor.

but this time he left the thing to an indian to do it. the indian just change my compressor without even open my bumper. in that tiny space, i feel really worry, and i talk to the boss, but the boss keep saying ok one, can  one.

i feel really uncomfortable with the way they working, and i told the boss, you just refund me, put in the original compressor, i will get other people to do. because of this, i have to spent whole day, from morning until evening just to fix these problems. but the boss refuse!

i saw that indian dissemble my paip, air sucker and etc, so that he could put the compressor into that tiny space. even when they are installing, they face the oil leaking problem, in front of me. again, the boss keep saying no problem, just change the rubber.

finally, the air con is cool on this 3rd compressor. BUT, before i left, i open up the car's front cover to final check and found the Indian forgot to put back the air sucker, and few screw didnt put in back. really irresponsible and terrible. luckily, i did check, else really dont know what will happen to my car.

but, this few days, i found the compressor is leaking oil. at night, i put paper under the compressor and found, it is oil leaking.

oil leaking compressor - problem?
i believe the compressor will not dead in 1 month (as warranty given), but it definitely kill my compressor in 1 year or more.


please advise.
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If u've confirmed that its d leak is from d compressor, its very likely to b d lubricant tats suppose to be sealed in. N yes, ur compressor is gonna die prematurely once d lube is insufficient.

Go to another shop.
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QUOTE(Deja Vu @ Jul 5 2012, 02:40 PM)
If u've confirmed that its d leak is from d compressor, its very likely to b d lubricant tats suppose to be sealed in. N yes, ur compressor is gonna die prematurely once d lube is insufficient.

Go to another shop.
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yes. i wanted to. but that shop refuse to refund me.
spent RM1k+, yet give me many shit trouble like this.
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QUOTE(WoodStock @ Jul 4 2012, 06:21 PM)
an update to my case.

i went back to that shop to fix my air-con last 2 weeks.

he troubleshoot and do fixing, but still not cool.
he said the compressor give not enough pressure and he said he will change one.

after change the compressor, the car air-con even very worse.

when i asked him, he said he will order another brand of compressor for me. this is the third compressor.

but this time he left the thing to an indian to do it. the indian just change my compressor without even open my bumper. in that tiny space, i feel really worry, and i talk to the boss, but the boss keep saying ok one, can  one.

i feel really uncomfortable with the way they working, and i told the boss, you just refund me, put in the original compressor, i will get other people to do. because of this, i have to spent whole day, from morning until evening just to fix these problems. but the boss refuse!

i saw that indian dissemble my paip, air sucker and etc, so that he could put the compressor into that tiny space. even when they are installing, they face the oil leaking problem, in front of me. again, the boss keep saying no problem, just change the rubber.

finally, the air con is cool on this 3rd compressor. BUT, before i left, i open up the car's front cover to final check and found the Indian forgot to put back the air sucker, and few screw didnt put in back. really irresponsible and terrible. luckily, i did check, else really dont know what will happen to my car.

but, this few days, i found the compressor is leaking oil. at night, i put paper under the compressor and found, it is oil leaking.

oil leaking compressor - problem?
i believe the compressor will not dead in 1 month (as warranty given), but it definitely kill my compressor in 1 year or more.


please advise.
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Thanks for inviting me here to share your problem.

Can feel the seriousness of your problem after reading those previous posts.

Focus on your updated main issue "oil leaking compressor"
Suggest to a.s.a.p (don't wait after 1 month or 1 year) identify where the leakage source is.
See if the parts are nicely connected or the leakage comes directly from the compressor. This condition is unlikely happened if installation or the part condition is good and normal.

Getting opinions & solutions from here is good. Yet, it's more accurate to further check on your current system by using equipment under different condition, as car air-cond system is quite complicated.
Since you found uncomfortable on the ways they work, try to get another reference from other workshop.

Hope this helps. smile.gif

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Either a pipe isn't connected tight or a leak in the compressor.  If you're very certain it's the compressor then better have it exchanged. If not & don't trust the ol' place, have it diagnosed somewhere else.  I went to this place and was happy with their work: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2152035.
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QUOTE(WoodStock @ Jun 13 2012, 11:01 AM)
the terrible is, i stay at subang, the workshop at kajang..
i goto this workshop when i visit my friend at kajang, my friend recommend this workshop so i just go..
initially i thought just add gas, take <30min to add gas only..

will have to travel to kajang, just to fix this problem.. but could the workshop really able to fix??
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kajang?me oso from kajang

what is the name of the shop..

need to careful of the shop after this..
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ur condenser most probably leak, i see some oil there
how to confirm ? kinda ask mechanic dip the condenser into clear water and pump in the gas and check for the air bubbles.
if no air bubbles, u get ripped off

how to check on air-con no pressure ?
the meh shouldn't dismantle the compressor before check the pressure, already buka , then hard to test already.
2nd method is check the inner holes of comp, if it's black , get replacement, if it's clear, shouldn't be change unless there's is no pressure.

make sure ur coling coil is washed and dryer ( filter ) get changed.
btw, 900-1000 is quite reasonable. if everthing spoil


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QUOTE(WoodStock @ Jul 4 2012, 06:21 PM)
an update to my case.

i went back to that shop to fix my air-con last 2 weeks.

he troubleshoot and do fixing, but still not cool.
he said the compressor give not enough pressure and he said he will change one.

after change the compressor, the car air-con even very worse.

when i asked him, he said he will order another brand of compressor for me. this is the third compressor.

but this time he left the thing to an indian to do it. the indian just change my compressor without even open my bumper. in that tiny space, i feel really worry, and i talk to the boss, but the boss keep saying ok one, can  one.

i feel really uncomfortable with the way they working, and i told the boss, you just refund me, put in the original compressor, i will get other people to do. because of this, i have to spent whole day, from morning until evening just to fix these problems. but the boss refuse!

i saw that indian dissemble my paip, air sucker and etc, so that he could put the compressor into that tiny space. even when they are installing, they face the oil leaking problem, in front of me. again, the boss keep saying no problem, just change the rubber.

finally, the air con is cool on this 3rd compressor. BUT, before i left, i open up the car's front cover to final check and found the Indian forgot to put back the air sucker, and few screw didnt put in back. really irresponsible and terrible. luckily, i did check, else really dont know what will happen to my car.

but, this few days, i found the compressor is leaking oil. at night, i put paper under the compressor and found, it is oil leaking.

oil leaking compressor - problem?
i believe the compressor will not dead in 1 month (as warranty given), but it definitely kill my compressor in 1 year or more.


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most probably he didn't give u the recond air-con, usually the recond air-con is fixed and tested by supplier,
i wonder already 3rd still gave leaking ? most probably is not a refurbish comp. i really confuse on the condition of recon comp . share the pic if u dun mind. leaking oil means leak gas as well . becuase our air-con system shouldn't be an leak at any point. or else . ur air-con system will eventually stalled again. waranty at least 3 months for recon comp bro. this was really so called black shop .


Added on July 6, 2012, 4:28 pm
QUOTE(WoodStock @ Jun 12 2012, 11:38 PM)
initially, i thought it was air con not cool is because the air con running out of gas, so i just ask him to add gas..
but he check and tell me, the gas is ok, the not cool is because the air con need to service.. (RM250!)
so, here we can confirm it is not gas leaking!!
then from there, the story start as on first post above..
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if the air con is not cold with sufficient gas, probably is the cooling coil dirt or else clogged.

if found out that insufficient gases, should be leaking on any of the air-con part,
first, check physical by eye to see the condenser and comp have any leakage, if no, then we have to suspect on cooling coil.

ur mechanic should tell all the problem may face and not to just say ur air-con is need to serviced .
pls bear in mind , insufficient gases means leakage.. i really hate this kind of mech dismantling all ur air-con part without ur consent, that's really sucks. for me, he is not proffessional at all.


Added on July 6, 2012, 4:31 pmgenerally, servis the kenari air-con cost around 120-150 include gases and labour.

but why your's hike up 250 for servis and another 60 fo gas ?
i servis my car air-con ex-boss shop

i am ex air-con man ..hehe

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Good way of analyzing the situation!

Look forward WoodStock would have settled his current issue after gathering so much info here smile.gif
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i wish i could settle this too..
i will have to drive to Kajang from Subang tomorrow to just settle this - waste all the time, toll, petrol..

hopefully, i could get refund.
but even he refund me also, i think he will refund me the compressor only.. he could argue there is no problem with the condenser..

to me, i prefer to refund all. really lose confident dealing with this shop, so many trouble. spent RM1k+, still give me all the headache! just imaging the 2 cases below.

a) the condenser has problem in future, it has 1 year warranty because it is new, then i still have to travel to kajang, and deal with this shop again.

b) put back my old compressor, then go to the other air con shop. then they might pointing finger to each other on the air con problem. the new air-con shop might blame the condenser not good/efficient causing the car not cool and etc...

hope could settle this problem tomorrow la..
wish me good luck~! will update you all after fixed.
Thank you all the sifu and expert here!
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Idiot shop....u better expose their name so that others will not fall in.
Maybe they gave u a crap compressor again. Pls be aware that compressor is the most expensive item in air con. Get them to replace it at no cost on u.
There's warranty even it's a recond unit.

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if have problem again , better stay at mech shop and see how they do . this is what i always do.
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I used to own a kelisa and I believe the entire engine bay is exactly the same like yours.

Well, I have the problem like this with some mech who doesn't know the issue too (I'm not saying they're bad, maybe they just did not encounter this type of problem before, they did explained everything in a polite and professional way).

At first they said its dirty, gotta clean the whole set. They showed me the oil indicator which shows the color of the oil, and surprisingly.. it's black. If anyone here can correct me, if it's totally black, thick, dark, heavy black, it's very serious problem already(usually dirty is just grey). It costs nearly RM400 to take out part by part to clean. And now it shows like white or transparent.

Issue solved for a few days, then back again. Daytime hot, night time cold. Went back to the workshop again, that indicator is grey. They said it's totally not normal, no matter how heavy u use your car, to turn this grey it wud take at least 3 months. So they suspect smth wrong with the belt, but since it's an aircond shop, I didn't let them touch it. I went back to my fren and have the whole set of belt for the car to be changed.

Issue solved for about 3 weeks, then back again. That indicator is full black again, my fren gave me an advise. He said, air cond have a lot of parts and its difficult to troubleshoot by cleaning each part at one time. The problem may deteriorate and causing some other parts before you have it fixed. He suggest for a full set change at Perodua.

I'm out of idea and drove it back to Perodua.
Had a full set change with NEW parts, costs like RM1.3k, case closed.
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Batusaix, what's in the whole set? If whole aircon system change, compressor, condenser, evaporator, blower fan motor, filter dryer....that's cheap.
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Batusaix, what's in the whole set? If whole aircon system change, compressor, condenser, evaporator, blower fan motor, filter dryer....that's cheap.
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roughly RM1.1k to RM1.3k for complete set of brand new parts. Including the pipes.
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Few months back changed new condenser+recond compressor (Seiko Denki)+ receiver drier+gas+labour for RM700+..

Same car with TS..

Very cold and no issues so far..
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QUOTE(Zack Styler @ Jul 10 2012, 04:44 PM)
Few months back changed new condenser+recond compressor (Seiko Denki)+ receiver drier+gas+labour for RM700+..

Same car with TS..

Very cold and no issues so far..
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why did u change the compresor ?
it's supposed to last. most of the time it's the evaporator that gives way first.

thanks for enlightening me bout the pricing :-)
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aircon mostly leakage on hose if not cold.compressor seldom fail 1 la.
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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Jul 11 2012, 03:47 PM)
why did u change the compresor ?
it's supposed to last. most of the time it's the evaporator that gives way first.

thanks for enlightening me bout the pricing :-)
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It's a used car and the previous owner never even bothered to do air con servicing since the car was bought new.. doh.gif
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It's good to have basic car air-cond basic maintenance to remain its good condition. Just like doing a constant car service, air-cond system needs a constant service too.
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I'm drive viva 850, my problem is my aircond so like dying in afteroon so hot.. blower also slow... But at night or when car moving its cold... The problem is I already spend rm400+ 7month back to replace the blower + service.. But now the problem happen again.. Hope u guys can advise me which shop is realy reliable.. FYI the previous pomen very f***er!! Idiot!!.. How come he change the blower .. While the problem is only the wiring!.. And the best part this bloody f***er is my fren... Haisshhhh.. And + damage 'calar2' too my dashboard.. Button cold only can twist half.. Haishhhh what a bad luck to me..to have fren like this... Help me guys ..
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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Jul 9 2012, 10:27 AM)
Batusaix, what's in the whole set? If whole aircon system change, compressor, condenser, evaporator, blower fan motor, filter dryer....that's cheap.
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Yeap, that's the price for Kelisa. I believe different car may vary.
Not to forget the condenser was replaced during the first repair, thats about less that RM300.

Added all together I'd say less than RM1.5k for KELISA.
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QUOTE(carloSpencer @ Jul 23 2012, 12:05 AM)
I'm drive viva 850, my problem is my aircond so like dying in afteroon so hot.. blower also slow... But at night or when car moving its cold... .. Button cold only can twist half.. Haishhhh what a bad luck to me..to have fren like this... Help me guys ..
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If you can't fully twist the knob it might be caused by a sticking cable. You could DIY remove the glove box, and then wiggle or pull the cable atop the blower to find out where it's stuck.
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Dear WoodStock,

Hows ur aircond? Has been solved or not? I'm having same problem...1st time just change the compressor (RM300). Unfortunately the compressor kong and has affected my whole A/C system.

Then i went to other workshop and has to change whole system...compressor, evaporator, condenser, valve and piping + modification (RM1.6k).

Try to claim from 1st workshop but the workshop refuse to give me anything.

Now, still having problem with my A/C...not cold enough on daytime...at night OK. Already went to 2nd workshop...the mech said its high pressure...done some fixing and said 'if anything happen come here'.

From my knowledge and experience, this problem is cause by Fault Gas or Compressor problem.

Please share anything coz i've already spend RM1.9k...~mggu dpn nk raya dowh~
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QUOTE(nuar1008 @ Aug 11 2012, 11:04 PM)
Dear WoodStock,

Hows ur aircond? Has been solved or not? I'm having same problem...1st time just change the compressor (RM300). Unfortunately the compressor kong and has affected my whole A/C system.

Then i went to other workshop and has to change whole system...compressor, evaporator, condenser, valve and piping + modification (RM1.6k).

Try to claim from 1st workshop but the workshop refuse to give me anything.

Now, still having problem with my A/C...not cold enough on daytime...at night OK. Already went to 2nd workshop...the mech said its high pressure...done some fixing and said 'if anything happen come here'.


From my knowledge and experience, this problem is cause by Fault Gas or Compressor problem.

Please share anything coz i've already spend RM1.9k...~mggu dpn nk raya dowh~
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1.9k !!! Damnn... I think that suppose fix everything.. even whole system is new... I had a same problem like u.. From shop to another.. But problem doesn't fix.. Thn I try cheelam shop.. First quite scared.. Already spent few rm 5-600 but aircond still hot.. But after I sent to them.. My problem solve!.. What can I say.. They do a great job.. Been charged rm 800 + discount some more.. They are very detail in every aspect.. Somemore..with oldtimer n detail in every job.. I 100 percent recommend...
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QUOTE(carloSpencer @ Aug 11 2012, 11:18 PM)
1.9k !!! Damnn... I think that suppose fix everything.. even whole system is new... I had a same problem like u.. From shop to another.. But problem doesn't fix.. Thn I try cheelam shop.. First quite scared.. Already spent few rm 5-600 but aircond still hot.. But after I sent to them.. My problem solve!.. What can I say.. They do a great job.. Been charged rm 800 + discount some more.. They are very detail in every aspect.. Somemore..with oldtimer n detail in every job.. I 100 percent recommend...
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Location please...
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QUOTE(carloSpencer @ Aug 11 2012, 11:18 PM)
1.9k !!! Damnn... I think that suppose fix everything.. even whole system is new... I had a same problem like u.. From shop to another.. But problem doesn't fix.. Thn I try cheelam shop.. First quite scared.. Already spent few rm 5-600 but aircond still hot.. But after I sent to them.. My problem solve!.. What can I say.. They do a great job.. Been charged rm 800 + discount some more.. They are very detail in every aspect.. Somemore..with oldtimer n detail in every job.. I 100 percent recommend...
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QUOTE(carloSpencer @ Aug 12 2012, 05:29 AM)
Really appreciate for your recommendation here biggrin.gif
We'll keep it up further nod.gif


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Location please...
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You're welcomed to look for us anytime to get a check on your air-cond issue smile.gif
May find contact detail from our signature below.

Hear from you soon!

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same as mine...kancil 850...services+change compressor also did't work
night or rain day very cold but 12 at noon make me sweat


last time on my previous car Saga 4G93, for 1.3k i get the whole new aircond system
installed from nothing(my car have NO aircond system for a several years after converting engine)
only got evaporator inside dashboard. else, installed new(piping, wiring, fan, condenser, compressor).

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QUOTE(joefbi @ Aug 14 2012, 03:47 PM)
same as mine...kancil 850...services+change compressor also did't work
night or rain day very cold but 12 at noon make me sweat
last time on my previous car Saga 4G93, for 1.3k i get the whole new aircond system
installed from nothing(my car have NO aircond system for a several years after converting engine)
only got evaporator inside dashboard. else, installed new(piping, wiring, fan, condenser, compressor).
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For Kancil, this is mainly due to insufficient of heat distribution.
Since you have done full service & checked fan, blower and leakage, try to check out your condenser.
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Juz service my aircond for rm 300 on iswara, Lucky found out earlier my compressor no oil.

Changed parts:-filter,air cond valve sensor,refill gas,refill compressor oil,the a/c old man is specialist,he told my compressor not so good the piston valve abit jam,due to no oil,so now got oil.still will cold but once compressor spoil ,there is loud noise u heard outside when on aircond,close the A/C and changed to bigger original denso japan compressor rm 6xx.wow ..he guarantee this is good..and cool.

Serviced :-aircond evaporator,and no more noise on my left side below dashboard,it still appears but very little sound,compare to previous so noisy,The A/C men said this is due to the valve sensor,faulty,jammed so it blocks and make noisy noise. This includes my own power sterring oil and he help me reflush and changed a new p/s oil.feels lighter and better.

After service aircond was cold on hot weather,at night i havent fully turn on maximum cold,at level 1 my windows oredi got fog.damm cold..and i notice when i turn on blower to level 2..the air blows stronger and cold biggrin.gif.

lucky i take it to service earlier,or else i have to change a new compressor when the old compressor jammed or spoiled due to no oil to lubricate it.
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Have you checked aircon fan motor/radiator? Maybe motor not spinning fast enough.
Where is shop in kajang? Need to warn relatives there.


@kryptonite2009

Where did you do service for iswara?


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@daikatana88 -At cheras taman len sen,corner lot with big signboard Continental.Khoong Hin ..the uncle expert service A/C and at times u hav to come early to service because he got appointments,and not simply do the job.he's expert even the boss at the shop also says he service car A/C for 20 years experience.nth can stop him from hearing n check ur A/C
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Hi all,

i would like to check the extimated price for AC system change for kembara? (compressor+cooling coil+condensor,filter, valve, compressor on air pressure hose (low+high), gas and labour)
i was qoute roughtly Rm1.7k for it sweat.gif would like to know is it reasonable?
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Most of the cars complain with AirCond issue seems to be all from P2 tongue.gif.. time to get P1 to have a peace of mind. haha
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Happen to me before at my friends father shop. I service change black oil only, then the worker tell me the aircond gas almost empty, ask me do I wanna refill it . I check the price then ok since I come few times d, can be trust gua. At first is ok, the next day not so cold d. Went back check, say might be leaking then refill again but still not working. straight tell me sitcoms spoil need to service cost me around rm1500. Of course I refuse. Feel cheated and not going back there anymore. Who know later ask me change engine also? Finally fix at other place recommended by sister, atleast bettter abit even cost me a lot. 2 months later accident, hit a Merz, aircond spoil again. But thanks to insurance, I claim a new aircond. Even much cooler then previous one. Feel cheated again. No offense but I feel hard to find a trustworthy mechanic now a days..
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QUOTE(Patriot Boy @ Dec 16 2012, 03:14 PM)
Happen to me before at my friends father shop. I service change black oil only, then the worker tell me the aircond gas almost empty, ask me do I wanna refill it . I check the price then ok since I come few times d, can be trust gua. At first is ok, the next day not so cold d. Went back check, say might be leaking then refill again but still not working. straight tell me sitcoms spoil need to service cost me around rm1500. Of course I refuse. Feel cheated and not going back there anymore. Who know later ask me change engine also?  Finally fix at other place recommended by sister, atleast bettter abit even cost me a lot. 2 months later accident, hit a Merz, aircond spoil again. But thanks to insurance, I claim a new aircond. Even much cooler then previous one. Feel cheated again. No offense but I feel hard to find a trustworthy mechanic now a days..
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Anything @ rm1500 please go to denso in glenmarie get the whole air cond system change
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Anything @ rm1500 please go to denso in glenmarie get the whole air cond system change
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lol i got mine done for 2.3k, replaced almost everything saved the cooling coil and the liquid pipes
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lol i got mine done for 2.3k, replaced almost everything saved the cooling coil and the liquid pipes
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At denso in glenmarie?
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Dec 16 2012, 06:16 PM)
At denso in glenmarie?
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Kelisa aircond
Repair cost labor charges & gas - RM 225
Kelisa denso compressor - RM 215
Ori blower motor - RM 165

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From the picture can saw the condenser is leaking oil.
The price is too high.
Fyi my husband service air cond is rm100 for wira,iswara,kenari etc during promotion rm55 only
Refer to the price state here no wonder our customer all the way fr kl to here
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i usually do service only price around rm50-rm80 only..this is totally ridiculous..btw...regarding ur "continue" case...leaking is always not a good sign..better go back to them to fix it..
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Gotta know where to find good and reliable ones. After my 1st exp with lousy mechanic i dont go there anymore.
Last time my aircond compressor on/off frequently. Every 1-2 sec compressor turn on/off. Then mechanic say drier spoilt. Rm300 to change to some caplang brand. Took out my denso drier. Still same prob. After that he troubleshoot again and found out is the temp switch spoilt. Rm15 to change only wtf. Already spent 2hours to change drier, refill gas, wash radiator. Cant change back. End up i had to keep the denso drier as spare. Pissed.
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QUOTE(conan1 @ Dec 25 2013, 06:17 PM)
i usually do service only price around rm50-rm80 only..this is totally ridiculous..btw...regarding ur "continue" case...leaking is always not a good sign..better go back to them to fix it..
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Service Rm50-80 got include gas refill?
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P2 a/c are not cold..even new.

Well face the facts that the evaporator and compressor is small as they are Kei cars in Japan.

Small city car suitable only for Japanese or similar weather not our hot tropical weather.

P2 must modify the a/c  system to be able to compensate the high midday temperatures here.
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actually no, most of their air cond parts also denso, and denso air cond are very 'freeze capable'.
zanneling
post Dec 26 2013, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(RO Player @ Dec 25 2013, 06:56 PM)
PLease dont get CHEATED....always they say compressor is spoilt..need to get new ones...

Which will COST u a BOMB! 500 >>deoends on car model..
Actually, its the coil & magnet in the compressor which is melt & not working, just take ard 2 hours at most to it...so dont be fool about it, just because non experience mechanic fix it..and find an easy way to clear this mess..

get a reliable mechanic to recommend and fix it.
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Yes.We all need learn some knowledge on air cond.

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post Dec 26 2013, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(crayzee @ Dec 25 2013, 10:04 PM)
Gotta know where to find good and reliable ones. After my 1st exp with lousy mechanic i dont go there anymore.
Last time my aircond compressor on/off frequently. Every 1-2 sec compressor turn on/off. Then mechanic say drier spoilt. Rm300 to change to some caplang brand. Took out my denso drier. Still same prob. After that he troubleshoot again and found out is the temp switch spoilt. Rm15 to change only wtf. Already spent 2hours to change drier, refill gas, wash radiator. Cant change back. End up i had to keep the denso drier as spare. Pissed.
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What is ur car model? U mean rm300 is replace compressor or drier?
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post Dec 26 2013, 01:38 AM

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tint ur car if the aircon not really cool at mid day
its really help, when u go in ur car its was not that hot
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post Dec 26 2013, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(zanneling @ Dec 25 2013, 04:06 PM)
From the picture can saw the condenser is leaking oil.
The price is too high.
Fyi my husband service air cond is rm100 for wira,iswara,kenari etc during promotion rm55 only
Refer to the price state here no wonder our customer all the way fr kl to here
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