So can do more experiments and find out more things, when upgrade time, it'll be helpful for you~

LoL
You got N8 ma. N8 still very good until today, still outperform the rest of the smartphone camera.

ADD ON: on side note, the TRUE poison will start when shifu aspire or shifu CalvinPixels get one, lolx

Smartphone camera will be smartphone camera, can't really compare with a proper PnS, especially on the controls.
I only wish they include more controls on smartphone cameras, like shutter priority and such.

On side note, if you want to read about the low light performance, here's one for your to check out, they did ISO test and also actually test it against Micro 4/3 and EOS 550D.
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_808_pureview...-review-775.php

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 27 2012, 03:21 PM

But seems it did comparable to PEN E-PL2.

Previously they did blind test, as in post a few sample photos, and ask people to guess and vote.
Result seems most people voted the photo which was taken by 808; but that's under daylight.

As for low light, I do agree the noise is pretty bad, but it's still way better than any smartphones camera available in the market, by quite big difference, plus, another great part is the details captured.
I won't really compared it to those PnS though, I might prefer the PnS due to the better controls, but I wouldn't carry the PnS everyday.
The good thing about smartphone is the versatility, plus it comes with great video capture with great audio. So, it's a plus; Well, for those have babies or kids, it'll be very useful.

ADD ON:
Anyway, I didn't have a M4/3 to do proper test, but previously my office event, I use my colleague's E-P3 to capture, the output quality seems 808 did better, but of course, the PEN I'm using fast shutter speed to capture action, while the 808 have no option to do so, end up with mostly failed shot.
Seems dpreview will be reviewing the 808, so let's see what's the outcome.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 27 2012, 03:32 PM

That's one of it, but you can get a micro-SIM replacement from carriers at small fee, and you can buy an adapter for micro-SIM at very very small fee. This adapter allows you to use your micro-SIM like normal SIM.

The other issues are like the screen resolution mainly, which my friend keep complaining about.

Added on top:
Anyway, I didn't have a M4/3 to do proper test, but previously my office event, I use my colleague's E-P3 to capture, the output quality seems 808 did better, but of course, the PEN I'm using fast shutter speed to capture action, while the 808 have no option to do so, end up with mostly failed shot.
Seems dpreview will be reviewing the 808, so let's see what's the outcome.

Maybe depend what type of adapter, make sure no sharp edges.

I think the problem is caused by those "potong" version micro-SIM. those micro-SIM will usually have uneven and sharp edges, it will scratch and damage the contact pins... then you will need to replace the entire board. Hence why I keep recommend people to replace a proper micro-SIM than potong.

Shooting RAW not picture settings applied.

Yes, ViewNX or CaptureNX can load the settings for the RAW file.

All lens focal length are in 35mm format. If it's a DX lens, if you mount onto FX, you get vignetting since it cannot cover the full frame sensor area.

To put it simple, whatever the lens focal length, you need to multiply by the crop factor of the sensor on the body.
If you get a DX body, with crop factor of 1.5X, whatever lens you get, FX or DX, you still need to multiply the focal length by 1.5X
If you get a M4/3 with crop factor of 2X, whatever lens you get, you still need to multiply the focal length by 2X. (e.g. The standard lens for M4/3 is 14mm-42mm = 28mm-84mm, which falls within the standard zoom range).
A handphone camera lens could be 6mm or 8mm or smaller, multiply by it's crop factor, you usually get around 24mm~28mm focal length in 35mm format.

Ah Yes, unless it's in DX mode.
For D800, the DX mode still gives almost 16MP; So D800 is like a good FX and DX body, lol

Sometimes people don't like, then just don't take there lo. Can reduce the issues and argument.

Is it must to take there? Is it an assignment or job must take there? If just personal or portraits, just move somewhere else.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 29 2012, 12:18 PM

LoL, saw this on FB:

There's 2 types of HDR, a proper HDR and those 'artistic' and 'unrealistic' HDR.

A proper HDR will try to achieve higher dynamic range which the camera cannot achieve but our eyes can

Example - Click Here
Look at the HDR section how it combine 3 image and generate a proper/normal HDR, which achieve or even exceeds what our eyes can see.

The in camera HDR function is to achieve these normal/proper HDR, not those 'artisitic' and 'unrealistic' type of HDR.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jul 2 2012, 11:57 AM

I notice this for G lens, the D lens tend to give cooler tones.

Sharpness, the D version seems softer wide open; For the G version, most of the sample out there shows good sharpness wide open.

You can disable the viewing of 1600 and 2048, means the maximum resolution is 1024 for viewing. It's in the settings somewhere.

Anyway, you can't really block people from downloading the pictures. There're many ways to download those pictures, even Picasa which uses Flash plugin for viewing picture, which means you can right-click or easily find the source from the html source code, there're still ways to find and copy the original source file.

Internet, hehe
your copy hardly see any difference, probably very slight, but it looks a bit blurry as in slight double vision like shake, but you used tripod right?

Strongly suggest to exchange if you still can (but they might not allow). Basically they're trying to clear off the Sigma or those old lenses.

Some sigma lens does come with macro capability, which means, at least 1:3 magnification or higher. It's not true macro as in 1:1, it's not a macro lens, it never said it is, but it's like a bonus with some macro capability. I guess some people don't really understand the magnification, even with macro lens, it doesn't mean when you shoot, you always get 1:1 magnification.
For this Sigma, tough, to get 1:3 magnification, you probably need to zoom to maximum and get to the closest focusing distance.

With 55-300mm, definitely, the lens is so light and it'll shake so badly. Go Nikon Center at BTS and try the 80-200mm f/2.8 or 70-200mm f/2.8, the heavy lens will give way better balance and way less shake; I have shaky hands, but with the 80-200mm, I can handheld at 1/30s @ 200mm, albeit not all shots are spot on. Changed to 55-300 @ 200mm, gosh, it's super shaky.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jul 3 2012, 11:24 AM

You take camera phone, compact camera and DSLR also got difference lo =P

No idea, do't have 55-300mm, maybe can check with other user or check BTS copy; or maybe you seldom use 250-300mm range so still tight


Good Luck, try to change, even if you have to loose the extra (since 55-300mm is cheaper by a bit), well, if it was me.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jul 3 2012, 03:21 PM

Light is always important

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jul 4 2012, 10:02 AM

IQ wise, according to reputable review sites, the non-VC has slight edge, especially in terms of sharpness.

For the VC, the worrying part is the VC component fail, but the VC will be very useful especially if you also do video, which I will be needing it soon


Don't bother what he says, just get it replace since he agrees to it. If he says the lens is so great, then he should be happy to allow you to replace and refund you the additional money.

From my experience, usually they held in large halls and it can get pretty dark, and I mean... really dark...
They main table might also be inside a column or something which is also covered, making it even more dark and get good/proper exposure inside when you're shooting from the outside.
There might have many colourful ligthings and the hall light might keep changing, bright-dim-bright-dim-bright occasionally.
So, do watch out for the colorful spotlights messing up with you white balance, tint, etc and also the frequenty changing light.

During toasting, they might blow bubbles, fake snow, etc. May cause you unable to get a good shot.

The dark environment can make it hard to focus as well.

It really depends on how they organize the wedding. It can be more simple or very grand.

The good thing about it is, usually it's very colorful, so you can get many nice colorful photos.

Depends if you willing to carry it around. Many people thought of getting a DSLR because they think it will surely get better quality pictures, but they may end up seeing not much difference and they don't really need a DSLR, or they find it too troublesome to carry it around, take out from the where they keep it, load in the battery, etc. They end up using their camera phone more. It happens to many people, so it's better to decide whether you will be utilizing it and willing to carry it around; it's not light, it's bulky and you most probably need a camera bag, you also need to know some maintenance and care and finally the security of carrying it around.

If above is your concern and you prefer something small, light and easy to carry around, there's the Canon S95, Olympus ZX-1, Fuji X10, etc. These are really small and easily pocketable, especially the Canon S95, it's so slim and small.

Or if you want something better and don't mind the bigger size and weight but not as bad as DSLR (e.g. still can keep inside a women's hangbag (bigger ones) or with small camera pouch, you can check out those Mirrorless Camera (e.g. Sony NEX series, Panasonic GF series, Olympus PEN series, Nikon 1 Series, Samsung NX series). They're not exactly cheap though.
You can invest on more lenses later and also other accessories.
With the standard zoom lens, it will be bulky (the X lens for Panasonic is a great option but it's costly); but if you can make do with a pancake lens (wide angle and NO zoom), you can just use the pancake lens.
As additional note: The Sony NEX and Samsung NX series have similar sensor size as the DSLR (crop sensor).