Please do read again my opening paragraph, it's not meant to paint a complete picture as what you have come to expect, as I was just an ordinary member and supported LSCM just for the love of the club and to lend a bit of support to the Malaysia based club. What you've done for the club during your time with LSCM  is commendable and something that you should be proud. As what I've also mentioned, you'll get committee members from different backgrounds and views and not all think alike, all decisions and actions are based on consensus, afterwhich no one should go round and b**** about why things are done this way or that way, everyone moves in the same direction albeit some decisons that one may not like. Unless you're suggesting that LSCM operates as a one man show or a selected few which I'm given the impression here given that they have this "higher than thou attitude" while members' views were not respected and that actions taken not based on consensus decision. That being the case, it's hightime that members insist on a formal annual general meeting which is required by the ROS to vote in new committee members in the hope that all the weaknesses that you've highlighted will be properly and effectively addressed and dealt with so that the new committee will be more effective than the previous one.

I'm sure if we could get clarifications on those issues from LSCM, i'll get another side of the story as there'll always be two sides to a coin. Point taken and agreed that you've rightly pointed out that one has to drive all the way up to Shah Alam just to sign-up as member but I was given a choice either to send in money order or bank into their club account. I chose to take the diffilcult route and I was like fecking frustrated having to drive round something like 1/2 of Shah Alam before I manage to locate the place but I think there could be reasons to that. They may want new members to know who they are for a short - get to know you session - and where they are located and while we're at the premise to lend some support to buy their merchandise just to generate some funds for the club, nothing wrong I guess. On a same note, I'm agreeable to your point that the club should strive to reach out to new members and get them to sign on to be members on the spot and not doing it with a lackadaisical attitude .

Kindly do not take it that I'm lending my support towards LSCM, far from it, I don't know anybody there but just sharing what I do know being a committee member of a club, which can be frustrating at times as what you've shared with us. This reply is not meant to engage you on a personal debate on LSCM or to glorify the same, again far from it but views coming from a neutral position. I can see that you've now moved on to MyRAWK, which is the most logical thing to do based on circumstantial situation that you've experienced, which I have to humbly admit that I do not know much of at the moment (pls pardon my ignorance) but I'll give myself a chance to get to know it better.  Hence, I would like to wish you no less all the best and have a nice day.

Oh I missed the game. Thought it will be this morning. Luckily I found the highlight. If u misse it like me u can download here -->> Liv highlights (credit goes to poster in RAWK)

I couldn't believe I would watch JoeCole and his dribbling in Liv shirt again. Gerrard comparison of him to Messi come to mind   
But the closer comparison wolud be our Suso. U don't want to miss his silky skill. 

Suso was great!

this is madness!  

this is madness!  

damn sad abang carroll will kena jual.... brendan rodgers really mean person....

We really have some good talent in our academy now. Wish we could utilize them more. I dunno when will be the suitable time/age for these young lads to be exposed to top flight football because a lot of managers seems to be saying they are not ready. How do you judge when the player is ready or not?

'will'

are u sure?

source?

We don't. We leave it in the hands of those who watch these lads day-in, day-out. I'm an armchair fan myself and I have to put things in perspective every now and then. We are commenting based on youtube videos and the occasional appearance whilst their coaches monitor everything these lads do on a daily basis. Based on some comments, you could be fooled into thinking that one of these young lads would miraculously turn out to be a Lionel Messi but honestly, how many 17 year olds were world class at that age? Shining amongst their peers is one thing, but the step up to first team football is a big one. Anthony Le Tallec and Florent Sinama Pongolle were examples of players who were amongst the best in their age group but neither are full fledged internationals with their senior sides. Just saying we shouldn't get carried away.

The problem is that academy students don't get the same amount of exposure to competitive matches as their counterparts in say, Spain. The Real Madrid and Barcelona B teams for example, can never be promoted but that isn't the nature of their existence. They exist to keep their young uns constantly exposed to competitive matches at a relatively high level, something that Rafa and Mourinho voiced should be practiced by the FA.

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Fair enough, us arm chair fans can't judge better than those who has been coaching them day-in-day-out.

However, you can only coach them on the field of Melwood. They may perform to a certain extent on the training ground. In real world, students who has excellent result in school/ college/ university dont always do well in the real working environment. On the other hand, some of the average Joe in training/ school may turn out to be CEOs and Nobel prize winner. Pls forgive me for using this totally different analogy to compare to football; I know it's not the same. But all I'm trying to say is; if you never give them the chance and put them out there in top flight football, you'll never able to judge 100% whether they are ready or not.
Martin Kelly only got his chance when both our first choice rt back was injured. Otherwise we could not have known such a good right back he is, as he was a central defender on training.
Loan spells at a 2nd/3rd division club may be a good experience for the players, but it's still no top flight football.
I guess the only way for the young lads to get into the first team nowadays is through injuries of the first team players.

Fair enough, us arm chair fans can't judge better than those who has been coaching them day-in-day-out.

However, you can only coach them on the field of Melwood. They may perform to a certain extent on the training ground. In real world, students who has excellent result in school/ college/ university dont always do well in the real working environment. On the other hand, some of the average Joe in training/ school may turn out to be CEOs and Nobel prize winner. Pls forgive me for using this totally different analogy to compare to football; I know it's not the same. But all I'm trying to say is; if you never give them the chance and put them out there in top flight football, you'll never able to judge 100% whether they are ready or not.
Martin Kelly only got his chance when both our first choice rt back was injured. Otherwise we could not have known such a good right back he is, as he was a central defender on training.
Loan spells at a 2nd/3rd division club may be a good experience for the players, but it's still no top flight football.
I guess the only way for the young lads to get into the first team nowadays is through injuries of the first team players.

That's the problem with football today. Losing today is more costly than say 2 decades ago. Results are what get you sponsorship deals, TV rights and so on. Teams today are scared of losing hence the reluctance to rely on untried and untested players. Only smaller clubs with a smaller kitty thrust academy lads into the first team because they do not have the financial clout to attract foreign players. Unfortunately for them, big clubs come sniffing the moment these young lads make an impact e.g. Jordan Henderson, Andy Carroll, Phil Jones. Bigger clubs have more to lose and are therefore less willing to risk using players from the academy. Danny Welbeck is an academy lad but he's only been a regular after returning from a successful loan spell.

We can fault Kenny for not using teenagers in the League Cup but we also have to note that he fielded the reserves who are higher up the pecking order than the youth lads. It was an opportunity for players like Maxi, Carra, Kelly, Spearing, Shelvey, Kuyt, Flanagan and Bellamy who weren't first team regulars to get some playing time. If he had fielded the likes of Amoo, Morgan, Sterling, Suso, Pacheco, Wilson and Wisdom, the reserves would not have got any playing time. Not sure if we would have won it if we went with the young uns.

hopefully the likes of sterling and suso wont be sent on loan... at least in my memory none has came back from a loan a better player... most loans just ended up being upgraded to sales...

Yeah, Houllier spotted him first before Fergie. Gave up the chance to sign him due to wage scale.