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onelove89
post Oct 15 2013, 06:49 AM

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Oct 14 2013, 07:26 PM)
I am very sure MANY will miss the sarcasm, and be further fueled by your "encouragement".  laugh.gif
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Oops my bad. *insert sarcasm note into previous post*

A lot of my friends told me what I just mentioned, saying how doctors are leeching off the community - ie charging heaps for simple advice. Also, constant attacks regarding views on traditional/alternative medicine which normally renders me speechless. Some how I feel that they want to bring you down so they can feel good about themselves. This is back in Malaysia though.

Ah, life of a med student/doctor.

QUOTE(Nelfaelf @ Oct 15 2013, 06:27 AM)
Thanks for the reply , Mahsa and Aimst only gave me provisional offer , not an official letter yet . For Mahsa , they ask me to study there while waiting for the official letter , so they gave provisional letter and ask me to study there asap while waiting for the official letter ( since the first intake is already studied a lot , and i have to catchup with them as soon as possible ) , they insist me to pay 2.5k and the hostel fee . I had a bad feeling about this . so i waited for the official letter first . Aimst didn't even ask a single cent , they only ask me for fax number and they sent the provisional letter and wait for the official letter to come .

Yesterday , i got offer letter from usm-kle . i guess i better go there . ( I did applied for it before, but i'm not sure i will get it since they only want 40 people . )
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good. Well, my opinion is, ditch AIMST and MAHSA, and go for USM. USM should be far better than those two. See what MAHSA is doing? you pay up stuff, sorta get one of your foot in first, then seal the deal! they desperately need students (as from what you've explained)
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post Oct 16 2013, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(natsu_dragneel @ Oct 14 2013, 07:24 PM)
Nah..i never intend to do medic..i dont understand why ppl want to be one..every day see sick ppl..got blood..urine..poo..transferable disease..even if i go visit ppl in hospital..i keep washing my hand with sanitizer..i rather sit comfortably in office room rather working as doctor in hospital..but now heard that mo minimum can get rm7600..now i understand why lots of ppl want to do medicine..
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QUOTE(natsu_dragneel @ Oct 16 2013, 03:02 PM)
Yeah..and doctor need to wear coat somemore..if u buy expensive beg,watch,or cloth..u will think many time to wear in hospital..just no point..not bcause of the white coat..but the germ the blood will ruin your expensive cloth..
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There's much more towards life than $$$, glamour, and expensive items, but then again that's my point of view. Med is worth it for me. For those who are doing med for the Mulla, you are barking up the wrong tree hey. Stay away, be warned!

And we do not wear white coats here in Aussie tongue.gif used to, but not anymore. think it's due to transmissible diseases policy, something like no long sleeves in NPICU here.

QUOTE(Pacmangoku @ Oct 16 2013, 02:05 PM)
The allure of sitting comfortably in an office without having to be on-call every alternate night is tempting, especially when you plan to start a family. You're right, there is no grandeur or glam, listening to patients complaining all day long  sad.gif  but for some being a doctor is more than a job, it is a vocation.
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Seeing them better at the end of the day is worth it, no? or helping out in some ways or another? They tell you their life stories even!
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post Nov 2 2013, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Nov 2 2013, 05:32 PM)
you are NOT an australian resident or cotizen, therefore you have NO right to work and live there, unless you obtain the necessary visa....

so ability to work in another country depends on 3 things....

1. recognised qualification
2. offer of job
3. getting a visa to work

you need all 3....

for monash sunway grads trying to work in oz, you have problem with 2....

for numed grads trying to work in uk you have problem with 2 and 3, and probably 1 too....

if you are a msian uni grad trying to work outside msia, you have problem with all 3....
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Even locals are having a hard time finding internships here, and international students are way down the priority list. Hoping there will be a change for us OZ grads.

QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Nov 2 2013, 06:05 PM)
to work in oz as a doc, do u have to do ur housemanship in oz?
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short answer: no. But you have to go through the lengthy process of exams and interviews, and most importantly, finding a hosp to take you in :)Exams and stuff are for recognition of your degree/skills/assessing your capability. Bear in mind even if you are a sub sub sub specialty specialist in X country, doesnt mean you will be a consultant here in that area.
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post Nov 3 2013, 06:49 AM

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Aussie system is different. The GPs here are all within RACGP and been through all the exams/training and specialised in general practice. after registering, they can open their own clinics as they want. I think in Malaysia, GPs are those who decided to come out of the hosp system and open their own clinics? (unless it is a specialist clinic) I don't really know Malaysian system that well.


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post Nov 3 2013, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Nov 3 2013, 08:06 AM)
onelove, what's the status of your cohort, as in internationals getting an internship job?....anyone taking up the rural/private hosp based commonwealth medical internship scheme?....
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I'm not entirely sure, but as far as I know, some of the international grads are going to practice within the state next year (launnie and burnie), which is good news!

hoping by the time I graduate I can find an internship spot too, but am not too worried about it at the moment really.
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post Nov 3 2013, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Nov 3 2013, 06:01 PM)
sorry, i thought you are of the 09-13 cohort and should be graduating now?....

the launnie and burnie jobs, they are the mainstream ones i presume?....does tassie have any 'commonwealth medical internship' jobs?....
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to be honest, I'm not sure what it is, so I am assuming that we don't have it. (unless someone can clarify for me)

I'm in the 10/14 batch, I was still doing med in UCSI in 09' =)
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post Nov 3 2013, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Nov 3 2013, 07:08 PM)
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/pub...cal-internships

at the moment, it is purely running for 2013 graduating students, for internship 2014....100 places...

it appears it may be a short term adhoc measure, till public hospital internship places catches with graduating numbers....the increase in graduating doctors is expected to taper off in 2016...
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Thanks limeuu, seems like a fairly new thing. I'll ask around. Hoping they can rectify the problem, but it might take a while. And I think some residents weren't given spots for next year in the hospital I'm currently working in, due to lack of funds. It is pretty worrying really.
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post Nov 5 2013, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(BrachialPlexus @ Nov 5 2013, 02:57 PM)
Hi guys, just a few questions for those who are attuned to the healthcare system in Malaysia. Does anyone know the state of psychiatry/mental health in Malaysia? I'm a Malaysian medical student in an Australian medical school with an interest in psychiatry.

I must admit that I'm not entirely keen on practicing medicine back home, but I would be slightly more receptive of the thought if there are signs that psychiatry will become more acceptable to the Malaysian population in the future.

Other side questions include:
i. What is the extent of psychiatric teaching in Malaysian medical schools? (eg how many weeks/rotations/etc?)
ii. How bad is the stigma in Malaysia? From my very limited exposure, it seems that Malaysians only see psychiatrists when things get REALLY bad or when they are forced to do so, either by law or coercion. I'm guessing it's mostly due to embarrassment or the impression that psychiatry is a 'lesser' branch of medicine, but correct me if I'm wrong.
iii. Do psychiatrists in Malaysia deal mostly with voluntary patients or involuntarily-admitted patients?

Thank you in advance.
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stay here! tongue.gif I think the stigma will always be there. Even the chinese term for Schizo (which is pretty much the same words used for mental health illnesses) has such negative connotation. Unlike here in OZ, even if you have been diagnosed with schizo (maybe with BPD too), you still get a job and be able to function pretty normally in the society. And of course there are those group of people who thinks psychiatry shouldn't be a part of medicine. I think personally, even in western society, it is the field which is least respected, ie if we compare it with other specialty physicians and surgeons. I've heard a lot of nasty jokes humiliating psychiatrists. I really have no idea why.
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post Nov 11 2013, 06:29 PM

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it is really sad, at the same time worrying. Students had to go through 5 grueling years of med school to end up jobless - some with debts from loans too.

Recently a friend of mine complaint to me how unfair the health care system is in Malaysia. Well I suppose people do view private hospitals/practices as the better options compared to government hospitals. I personally don't know how true that is. Do people get similar care and treatment in govn hospitals compared to private ones?
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post Nov 20 2013, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Nov 12 2013, 11:10 AM)
Higher income may lead to better diagnostic equipments, better and more qualified nurses and a more conducive working environment. Does it not apply to the medical line that a more profitable company is generally a better working place with better benefits?
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That's just sad. Shouldn't Government hospitals be the ones having state of the art equipment and more qualified staffs?

I am very interested in seeing the quality of patients care here in Govn Hosp. Honestly speaking, I have no idea what would I be expected to do really. Are clinical students allowed to do much in hospitals? I've recently heard stories of Russia grads not allowed to give dx or mx plans. Not sure how true is that, and how they view students.

Therefore, any MAHSA students here? preferable in their clinical years tongue.gif
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post May 26 2014, 07:30 PM

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An update from OZ:

It is increasingly hard to secure a spot for internship even though past statistics are comforting. For us here in Tassie, we have about 17-18 internationals hoping to stay (out of a cohort of a 100). We are cat 2 in Tassie, but otherwise cat 5 elsewhere. WA seems to have frozen their application so far? And as we know, VIC is basically off limits. So where can we go?

Few of us deduced that we either can a) head back or go to SG, or b) take the commonwealth spot which is rather reasonable. Still, SG won't be that bad (unless someone proves me wrong). Residency program there can be a good thing, and can be a bad thing.

With further budget cuts from the health care side of things, things are not looking well here really. Uni fees will be unbarred starting in 2016. Estimated cost of LOCAL fees is about 30k/yr (from a 8-9k range). Imagine that for internationals?

Undeniably, unis here provide high quality medical education. but it is frustrating for graduates to be stuck in a position not knowing what lies ahead of them.
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post May 29 2014, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ May 27 2014, 09:48 AM)
I thought they have sorted out the shortage of internship places, and the commonwealth places scheme was temporary for 2014.....

So it looks like they have not increase the intern positions enough to absorb all graduates...and the commonwealth scheme continues, but I think it's not as bad as 2013 with almost 500 overhang....

I know there are a couple of Monash sunway grads in rhh internship, so surely it can't be that bad in tassie?...I understand a significant number of interstate Aussies prefer to move to the mainland....
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I'm not sure. a lot of the locals here want to stay. an update on SA, they dont even know how many internship spots they can have for 2015 due to budgets and stuff. it is quite terrifying. shakehead.gif still hope to secure a spot somewhere in tassie.

Yeah this year there are quite a number of IMGs in tas! Which is a rare sighting really. On top of that, there are A LOT of asian med regs. tongue.gif
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post May 31 2014, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ May 29 2014, 08:35 PM)
I wonder... if you are sent to Australia's interior (middle of it) or to Christmad island...  vs coming back to Malaysia... what say you?
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Alice springs is part of NT health. I am still applying for NT though. =) not so sure about Christmas island.... I don't mind rural placements for a year or two really.
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post Aug 6 2014, 10:03 AM

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update from my side:

International students might be offered an interview spot around oct-nov depending on spot allocations. This is for RHH. No news for north or rural tassie too for internationals.

And I think Queensland is pretty much full, left with rural areas. They've actually sent us an email asking us to change our preferences after the first round offers were rolled out.

And the wait continues smile.gif
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post Aug 6 2014, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 6 2014, 10:55 AM)
the first round offers are already out?....

qld i thought is always pretty full considering the numbers coming out from uq....more chances with wa and sa i think?.....
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First round out in mid July here in tassie, and I think just recently so for interstate (cat 1, maybe cat 2). Got a few local friends receiving offers from SA, and even VIC. Still slowly rolling out I guess.

How many from UQ a year do you reckon? I just chatted with a UQ student who went for the sg interview in melb last week and he just told me how terrible and disorganized the med school is there, not sure how true it is. Similarly a soon-to-be grad from melb uni (melb model postgrad med) told me that he is just starting clinicals in his final year. Was a bit baffled by the news.
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post Aug 6 2014, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 6 2014, 06:08 PM)
uq takes in about 500 students every year, the also have an 'american' programme, geared to the us system and usmle exams....like all big med schools, you can be posted in different hospitals, and never meet your year mate...!

graduate entry 4 year programmes have a 2 year clinical component....should be the same for melbourne as well....but the 3rd year could possibly be a hybrid year, like utas' 3rd year....

any offer yet?....when will tasmania give out offers for cat 2?
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So CAT 2 would be us international utas grads. It depends. You would expect burnie rolling out offers earlier and launnie next. But no news from both hospitals either. Hobart has already told us that the earliest we will get an interview would be about the october period.

Didn't know UQ is so complicated, and massive in terms of their graduate output.

Singapore interview was sort of interesting. Nothing like the interviews here where they ask you those interview type questions, ie why us, why you, etc etc. It's basically shooting you with clinical questions from the moment you enter till you can't answer no more.

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post Aug 16 2014, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(BrachialPlexus @ Aug 14 2014, 04:24 PM)
Internship update from Western Australia:

As of today, at least 70-80% of internationals from UWA have received internship offers. I myself have just gotten one just hours ago ^^ Things are looking decent here; there might be opportunities for interstate internationals at this rate.

Most states including NSW and Queensland are halfway through their offers for internationals. Not sure about Victoria. As far as the crisis is concerned, SA seems to be bearing the brunt of things because of the funding cut by the glorious Tony Abbott. To date, no international from SA has received an internship offer.

Edit: 28/29 who applied have gotten offers.
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congrats. Seems like WA is taking care of their people well! NONE of locals and internationals from tassie received offers from WA.

Still no news for me. What a sad sad place I live in tongue.gif oh well. Finals next saturday. yikes. tongue.gif
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post Aug 16 2014, 01:54 PM

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yup! WA, SA, QLD. seems like QLD is pretty popular this year too among the locals.

So hoping to get a place... somewhere smile.gif

When is the OSCE exam for UWA?
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post Aug 16 2014, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(BrachialPlexus @ Aug 16 2014, 05:19 PM)
I'm sure you'll get a spot. smile.gif If not, there's the Commonwealth Medical Internship thing that opens in Oct. Up to 100 spots for internationals!

We've done our final OSCEs in 5th year. All 16 stations of pure horror. 6th year is mostly gaining experience in the core internship rotations eg gen med, surg, ED. The assessments are spaced out throughout the rotation. Tbh they could easily shorten the course to 5 instead of 6 years haha but I suppose that makes it difficult to squeeze extra money from us.

UTAS is 5 years right?
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yup 5 years =) I understand. They can give us anything under the roof for our OSCEs. Which is making our revision hard. Oh well. Should be alright I hope. smile.gif
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post Aug 18 2014, 10:47 AM

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Oh dear, poor students who are caught in all of these political warfare.

Med Ed in Msia has sank to a brand new low ei?

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