I can give you the numbers from tassie only though. but that'll need to wait a lil till the mentoring program starts. so far IMU transfers = 4 students.

I have a feeling that inadequate education might be one of the causes as they are not sure of their options/rights, and thus like you said, believing full in bomoh or believing that nothing can be done if the doctors just cant be bothered. which is really sad.

btw, just throwing it out there, would you do an elective in a big hosp or remote hosp in msia? planning to do more of OnG and paeds.

yikes. The internship crisis is still ongoing in Aus, and I think a new med school was introduced recently here, and it wasn't received well by the students/AMSA. I'm amazed at the condition Msia is in at the moment, with so many med schools, will there be adequate spots for internship in the future, if there is, i'm not too sure how many interns will be attached to a ward/unit. maybe 5 interns to one small unit?

I'm still not entirely sure regarding pathways for UK, US and Malaysia really. I do know some doctors take up masters of science and regard themselves as specialists in clin chem. My understanding of specialization is that you go into a specific pathway after intern/RMO years regardless of what PGY, eg basic physician training, gen surg, psych, GP training, and complete the module within a specific time + exams. And more specialization occurs after the initial training like BPT going on to further training in fields like cardio,endo, gastro, THEN going on for sub-specialties.

Psych is a very very interesting area for me. Unless you have done a term in this, you can't really say you like it. Things in psych are very blurry because we still don't know what's going on really, even with drugs. One of my psychiatrist lecturer told us that they normally just trial and error and sometimes they don't even know what's going on. I do love this field because of the doctor patient relationship unlike some specialties. Will i go into it? maybe do bit more during my RMO years, but maybe not specializing in it.

just google or wiki, it's good enough for now ;p If you really want more. Google books by Pridmore, or any books related to psych.

so they are not allowed to take a history from the patients at all?

The bolded part, do you mean one can 'subspecialize' after being a general practitioner? I always see 'GPs' in malaysia with dipl (specialty) beside their MBBS qualification. I'm not sure what is that to be honest. For eg Dipl (cardiology). Does that mean the GP/internist did a course/attachment in cardiology for x number of mo/yrs to get this cert?

I really need to familiarize with the pathways in Malaysia. I'm guessing the OZ is with the British system? That sounds more like what is happening here eg - general training program - exams - specialize - sub-specialize. I heard SG is heading down the same pathway as US, eg after internship they can dive into specialization/subspecialization?

Wonder if it is worthwhile doing UMSLE for those who're studying and planning to work here in Australia.

the way of malaysia =)

oh my, I felt the pain while reading even, to think if I were the patient or the husband, I'll be fuming and concerned.

Doctors earn a lot? Maybe, not really these days. Good lifestyle? Not really, long hours, high stress environment. Work to $$$ ratio? not so good. Responsibility is extremely heavy; you need to know almost everything in med to some extent, and to find yourself only scratching the surface of each aspect; Patients think you're superman and if there are complications (assuming you've done your best taking in ALL possible outcomes and trying to prevent them like a good doctor you are which med school tried to make you into) you get sued; Work your head off and paid your head off through med school, only to find a small hill call internship, and a bigger hill call residency, and a huge ginormous mountain call Registrar position, and by the time you reach consultant you're pretty old. Then you might have some $$$ and time.

So why go into med with all these nonsense around us? Mind as well go into mining engineering/off shore engineering. Helps others, helps the country, loads of $$$, loads of free time, good lifestyle.

As for why AUS/UK and not Malaysia. If bottom line you think Msia's education standard is good enough, and ultimately you want to work in Msia only, then why not, just aim for any unis in Msia. I recommend IMU and Monash Sunway, but hey, even if you're not a top student, you can get into med easily. Malaysian style. I like it here in OZ, i'm adapted (well sort of) here well, I'm much more comfortable taking history and communicating in english which I'm sure I can't do so (as much) in Malaysia. I am trained in English, I took histories in Chinese and it was hilarious. Standard wise, I'm happy with the training I'm receiving, preclin and clinical knowledge wise. Pay is reasonable when I come out, good lifestyle, quite a safe country, I can go on and on.

So is Msian med education more inferior to those overseas (UK/Aus), maybe. It's up to you to judge. I certainly feel that I'm getting proper training here compared to when I studied briefly in Msia. But I can't judge just by that because it was just 1/2 a year of preclin.

Overseas doesn't mean you being the only sad lonely neglected 'asian dude' among all the locals Yes I'm planning to stay. No I don't feel lonely, I still call back and message my parents. I have my med friends, non-med friends, church friends, and colleagues. I'm pretty alright here really Of course there are times when I miss home, but that's not like a deciding factor for my future. Time to grow up, be independent

No it's not fair to judge so prematurely. But because the nature of this career/course, they have to be strict on requirements. That's the fairest way to judge. It's not right to say that it is unjust that someone didn't get to do med because he/she screwed up just 1 subject. In real life, if you screw up a dosage, or failed to do ONE thing, like charting prophylaxis ABx, the patient might die. I don't know how do you feel about the responsibility of being a doctor, but for me, it is pretty scary. You hold in your hands, someone's life. One missed info in history can mean life or death, a second of blank mind can kill a patient. Before I entered med, I thought I understood. But I was wrong, it is far FAR different from what I imagined.

So, back to the point. Why bother setting a high bar for med course?

I'm good survived a long rotation which I didn't quite like. But am thankful that I get to learn those skills/knowledge.

I just checked UTAS website. Apparently it's 49.7K$ for 2013. I thought it was around the 43-44k range. It's getting more and more pricey to study here hey.

exactly

btw, for the rural internship thing, does Tassie count as part of 'rural' areas? if it is, then yay.

didnt know Asia Metro has med too

i'll say AIMST out of the list. Quality wise, i'm not too sure if they differ much. And it's hard to get into AIMST due to their allocations for their own foundation students.

How is the education standard in Egypt compared to that in Russia?

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SE II? or cardiology III?

I'm torn when giving advice to future medlets. So, which ones are the better ones? (private uni) My list has always been IMU, Monash, and maybe AIMST. Not so sure about NuMed.

True, it is getting crowded in Malaysia, opportunities are getting less in UK and Aus too. They really should implement the pre-intern/HO exam to sift out unqualified candidates. Even with that I can sense loop holes and cash bribing.

Heard from a senior RMO telling me that even RMOs here are having hard time finding jobs, let alone interns. Unless you're in surgical training programs or OnG training programs, they will provide you with placements and organize jobs; physicians pretty much have to find their own despite having entered the training program.

oh well, taxi drivers with MBBS/MD ain't so bad, at least you have adequate communication skills to talk to passengers or deal with drunks.

I'm just wondering, how many universities are attached to HKL for their clinical teachings? So far I think MAHSA is one (correct me if I'm wrong), I'm sure there are some more though.

Agreed. It doesn't.

the crowd goes wild!!!

Medicine is an easy field hey? Just advice patients to 'rest more, more fluids' or 'get me an CXR' and charge them RM80-200. Easy money, we should all just stop what we are doing, get into a med school and be a doctor! And start earning heaps!