sowee forgot to mention tat i'm from sunway

Ok here is my decklist:

4 dark confidant
4 phyrexian ironfoot
2 meloku the clouded mirror

3 spell snare
4 remand
2 remove soul
1 muddle the mixture
4 hinder
3 disrupting shoal
3 boomerang
1 persecute

2 umezawa's jitte
3 sensei's divining top

4 scrying sheets
4 watery grave
4 underground river
4 snow covered swamp
8 snow covered island

Sideboard:
3 last gasp
3 seize the soul
1 persecute
2 muddle the mixture
2 counterbalance
2 thread of disloyalty
2 pithing needle

For the other Top 8 players, i dont have their decklist, but this is what they played,

3 Rakdos Burn (Jason, Eugene, Albertus)
3 Counterbalance (Terry, Au yong, Ryan)
1 Hand in hand (Edwin)

Wow..No solar flare at all?
Surprising

thanks for sharing your decklist and nationals experience cdwk . nice to know what's going on at the malaysian nationals for once.

Solar I saw a lot during swiss round, but none of them make top 8

many decks should sidedeck against solar flare that's why its harder now....
dun think now solar flare is outstanding but rather a stable and safe deck to run...

Anyone knows for sure if Micheal Toh is giving out Lotus Bloom or Avatar of Discord (Dissension Prerelease foil)?

His mass TS prerelease email on Monday, September 11, 2006 stated "SPECIAL COMMEMORATIVE DISSENSION FOIL CARD FOR EACH PARTICIPANT (while
stocks last)."

Hope he forgotten the correction on 'cut-n-paste' (He correctly alter the other details though).

Who's Michael Toh?

Lol...
He's the KL TO (Tournament Organizer).
So any info on any events, you can just ask him....

micheal? the guy has long hair and looks kinda old izzit? last time has a shop called game castle in DJ but now closed already is it?

no one reply my quest

SS15 - Comics Corner SJ (cards and board games)
Paramount Garden - Toybox (cards and board games)
Seksyen 14 - Manawerx (only Magic i believe)
Damansara Jaya - Comics Corner DJ (cards and board games)
Damansara Jaya - Games Circle (miniatures and board games)
Damansara Jaya - Settlers Cafe (board games)
Ampang - Comics Corner KL (cards and board games)
Amcorp Mall - Wolf's Game Shop (cards, miniatures and board games)
Sungei Wang - Chuang Tze (cards)
Old Klang Road - Century Comcis (cards)

I believe that about covers it. I think im missing one shop in Summit but I have no idea what the name is

This post has been edited by zio: Sep 14 2006, 05:43 PM

Which floor, near where?

I think Games Castle in Dj still exist. I could be wrong.

6th floor...ermm near the lift

Games Castle is now known as Gamer/Games Circle..

lol.. if that's the guy.. lol..

he's a damned conmen.. years ago when i started playing.. me and my friends invested alot of money in it and bought tonnes of packs and stuff.. so he scoured nearly everything that was worth something that time.. and even encouraged us to play truant indirectly..

but we were stupid back then.. like what? 14?

sigh..

Umm to an extent I agree with you. You addressed a problem which I felt was one of the major causes to why our local magic community dwindled in recent years.

Scenario:
Let's assume someone new starts magic , buys a couple of tournament decks and maybe a dozen boosters. He doesn't know the price nor has he decided what colour he wants to play. But even before that happens , the veteran active players around him are already asking him for his good stuff , trying to buy on the cheap or give a high imbalanced deal in their favour. After he trades / sells his good cards due to the constant pestering / bugging. He then later realises that he has made a mistake and oh boy , some of these mistakes can be REALLY costly. Some of the cards he had traded away could according to regular market rate have gotten him almost a whole simple deck in terms of trading value.

Thereonafter, two things might possibly happen. One, this player after a while will slowly turn into the kind of people who had "conned" him before. Two , he learns how not to trust people in the community as he basically labels a majority of them as a pack of hungry wolves , his interest in the game then slowly wanes.

Since the retail prices in our local stores haven't really increased over the years , I don't feel that finance is really a problem to magic players. Apart from the local valuation for cards are slightly higher than in the international scene , the other main reason I personally felt for the reason why our community has shrunk is because of the issues mentioned above. Oh, there's also an issue on the complexity for the rules , but that normally comes in more advanced playing. General rulings are quite easy to follow.


That's just my take on the issue which you had raised.

p/s : I used him instead of him/her because I rarely see any girls/ladies playing mtg locally. So please don't pick on me for being politically incorect

I heard stories about him too. Not the positive ones unfortunately. I never talked to him in person though.

'Type 2 players ripping off newbies'
People of those sort exists and I'd met ample amount of them. I am not defending them, but I can't agree that is a major reason of dwindling players. I'll say the main reasons of dwindling players is the (1) people leave for other forms of entertainment/commitments (no playgroup) and (2)huge $$ investment to play competitively.

Usually, a newbie is introduced to the game by someone he/she knows. The newbie then joins that person's playgroup. If he/she got rotten trades with specific members of the playgroup, then it is obvious that those members to take advantage of him. Within-group ripping, I think, is less likely because of possible backslash from other members. If it did happen, then word of mouth will blacklist that person.

From time to time, there will be T2 'outsiders' wanting to trade, that is where I think is riskier for newbies. I suggest these few guidelines if you totally have no idea how to value card.

Before equaling trade
1. Talk to the outsider about what decks he playing/facing against, while he is browsing through.
2. Talk to the outsider if he is planning to build a new deck.
3. Let him browse your cards first, then you browse his cards. No need to rush things.
4. Pick up the cards both of you are interested in the middle. It makes it easier to see what's for what.
-Purpose: To see if he is looking for a 'super' deal or really need specific card.

During equalizing of trade - cards for cards
1. Look at the selection of cards he is interested and ask yourself 'does this tally up with things he said earlier?'
2. Don't listen to how usefulness his cards are and how 'narrow' your cards are. If you were him, why would you want to trade useful cards for narrow cards, right?
3. Ask him to balance the trade. Then, with cards on the table, ask a friend for second opinion. If there's no one, ask the shopkeeper. If that is even not available, ask a bystander. There will always be people around when a trade is ongoing, trust me.
4. Ask for more cards as throw-in (a face saving way for that guy to readjust his offer, if needed )
-Truth: The best you are ever going to do is trading down, at least you will be getting more cards.

During equalizing of trade - cards for cash or booster packs
1. Strongly advise against selling for cash or booster packs if you are a total newbie. Simply decline.
-Truth: Stastically, you are going to lose

After the deal
1. Ask people how they would have done that deal. Don't ask was it good or bad, just ask how they would done it.
2. Look forward towards your new cards.



This post has been edited by ashburn98: Sep 15 2006, 01:18 PM

In every card game, there is always the risk of getting ripped especially when you are new to the game. Unfortunately, the scums (rippers) exist and they will always be around.

As for trading, players who play at my shop learn to always ask us whether the trade is a good deal or not. Many a times when they trade without consulting us, they end up getting conned. Unfortunately, this is only for VS and Pokemon, as I have lost touched on the whole Magic scene.

I would like to say that it is also the retailers who are responsible for keeping in check these scammers. If you know they are in your shop, then by all means pay attention to some of the deals they may be doing especially when it involves a new player.

I am not self praising (although it might seem like so), but I believe that the players in my shop has the trust in us not to scam them. Its a hobby people, be nice.

If wanna safe, trade with me.