QUOTE(carlsuen @ Sep 15 2006, 09:49 AM)
lol.. if that's the guy.. lol..
he's a damned conmen.. years ago when i started playing.. me and my friends invested alot of money in it and bought tonnes of packs and stuff.. so he scoured nearly everything that was worth something that time.. and even encouraged us to play truant indirectly..
but we were stupid back then.. like what? 14?
sigh..
I heard stories about him too. Not the positive ones unfortunately. I never talked to him in person though.
QUOTE(Holi^oNe @ Sep 15 2006, 11:10 AM)
Umm to an extent I agree with you. You addressed a problem which I felt was one of the major causes to why our local magic community dwindled in recent years.
Scenario:
Let's assume someone new starts magic , buys a couple of tournament decks and maybe a dozen boosters. He doesn't know the price nor has he decided what colour he wants to play. But even before that happens , the veteran active players around him are already asking him for his good stuff , trying to buy on the cheap or give a high imbalanced deal in their favour. After he trades / sells his good cards due to the constant pestering / bugging. He then later realises that he has made a mistake and oh boy , some of these mistakes can be REALLY costly. Some of the cards he had traded away could according to regular market rate have gotten him almost a whole simple deck in terms of trading value.
Thereonafter, two things might possibly happen. One, this player after a while will slowly turn into the kind of people who had "conned" him before. Two , he learns how not to trust people in the community as he basically labels a majority of them as a pack of hungry wolves , his interest in the game then slowly wanes.
That's just my take on the issue which you had raised.
'Type 2 players ripping off newbies'
People of those sort exists and I'd met ample amount of them. I am not defending them, but I can't agree that is a major reason of dwindling players. I'll say the main reasons of dwindling players is the (1) people leave for other forms of entertainment/commitments (no playgroup) and (2)huge $$ investment to play competitively.
Usually, a newbie is introduced to the game by someone he/she knows. The newbie then joins that person's playgroup. If he/she got rotten trades with specific members of the playgroup, then it is obvious that those members to take advantage of him.
Within-group ripping, I think, is less likely because of possible backslash from other members. If it did happen, then word of mouth will blacklist that person.
From time to time, there will be T2 'outsiders' wanting to trade, that is where I think is riskier for newbies. I suggest
these few guidelines if you totally have no idea how to value card.
Before equaling trade1. Talk to the outsider about what decks he playing/facing against, while he is browsing through.
2. Talk to the outsider if he is planning to build a new deck.
3. Let him browse your cards first, then you browse his cards. No need to rush things.
4. Pick up the cards both of you are interested in the middle. It makes it easier to see what's for what.
-Purpose: To see if he is looking for a 'super' deal or really need specific card.
During equalizing of trade - cards for cards
1. Look at the selection of cards he is interested and ask yourself 'does this tally up with things he said earlier?'
2. Don't listen to how usefulness his cards are and how 'narrow' your cards are. If you were him, why would you want to trade useful cards for narrow cards, right?
3. Ask him to balance the trade.
Then, with cards on the table, ask a friend for second opinion. If there's no one, ask the shopkeeper. If that is even not available, ask a bystander. There will always be people around when a trade is ongoing, trust me.
4. Ask for more cards as throw-in (a face saving way for that guy to readjust his offer, if needed

)
-Truth: The best you are ever going to do is trading down, at least you will be getting more cards.
During equalizing of trade - cards for cash or booster packs
1. Strongly advise against selling for cash or booster packs
if you are a total newbie. Simply decline.
-Truth: Stastically, you are going to lose
After the deal1. Ask people how they would have done that deal. Don't ask was it good or bad, just ask how they would done it.
2. Look forward towards your new cards.
This post has been edited by ashburn98: Sep 15 2006, 01:18 PM