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post May 19 2012, 02:01 PM

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Beware of body adapt keto diet, finally the entire body adapt fat metabolism, and the body forgot how to metabolise carbs in future.
When u take carbs back, the body will easily convert carbs to fat for metabolise, because your body lose function to metabolise carb.
In short term keto works. But long term when you retake carbs, you will getting fatter.
Just my 2 cents.
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post May 19 2012, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 19 2012, 02:02 PM)
even if I am in calorie deficit, I will still get fat?
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Your body is smarter than yours brain. It adapt thing easily. Lets say our bmr rate is 2000 kcal a day. When you calories deficit to 1800 kcal. Your body will easily adapt the calories you take in order for survive, so your bmr become 1800.
When you reduce your calories again it will reduce your bmr for sirvival. your body just want to protect you out of energy deficit and not let you die.
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post May 19 2012, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ May 19 2012, 02:30 PM)
hmm, got any proof of your claim spazerock.? whats the diff with people with low calories diet and lose a lot of fat? They gain it back fast? ? i think they gain back fast, because the binge after stopping their diet.

Regarding keto. can you relaly lift heavy on low carb or keto diet? if one can break PR, i think he consume sufficient carb like more than 50g before the lifting. i dont think fat and protein can be used for anaerobic workout. got any links that proof otherwise?
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There are so many article out there writing defect of keto diet, atkins diet.

Most bodybuilder not using ketogenic diet, they using carbs cycling. They using keto diet just before last week of competition to cut last layer fat and drain their skin.


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post May 19 2012, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 19 2012, 03:11 PM)
this will apply to all cutting phase where users will be in a calorie deficit state. Mind you that BMR and Calorie Maintenance is different. I have a 1619 kcal for BMR and 2509kcal for maintenance. My daily calorie intake is 80% from my maintenance which is 2000kcal; which is far higher than my BMR. So, why people can successfully decrease the fat?
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Did i said keto is not help for losing weight? I just mind you beware body adapt to keto diet. Your body adapt fat metabolism quickly and losing function of carb metabolism. When you retake carbs your body will no idea what to do carbs, and it will direct convert to fat for your body metabolise.So you get fatter when you get back normal diet.
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post May 19 2012, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 19 2012, 03:43 PM)
would you mind clarify how long is long term? And would you give me a link about this?
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Wah. Thats a long time ago when i read the article. X years ago. Cant remember. I just share what i read. May be you can google the author call ' tom venuto'

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post May 19 2012, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 19 2012, 04:36 PM)
Our body have two sources of energy, from carb (glycgen) and fat (ketones). Human usually uses carb as their energy sources. But once you are on Keto, our body will try to use fat as energy since there is very low carb is being consume (less than 30g). In other word, our body still have energy but from another source which is fat. After the adjustment period (body adjusting from using carb as energy to fat as energy), our body will feel better and not tired/lethargic as per during the adjustment period.

So, by saying that it is hard to lift heavy because of low-carb is not true as fat is the primary energy source, not carb.
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There is a source of energy call atp...
It store in muscle glycogen, during a short intense exercise (anaerobic, lets say less than 30 second, muscles are using atp, if atp is not enough , body will break our muscle convert to atp for energy, means u burn muscle.

Fatty acid only burning when low intensity exercise and at resting mode (walking, sleeping)

Most bodybuilder weight training in their high carb day and do cardio in their low carbs day.

Correct me if im mistaken
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post May 19 2012, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 19 2012, 05:15 PM)
That is true. You can increase your atp by using creatine. But then, there is a different between aerobic exercises and Keto diet. Aerobic exercises uses fat as energy. During your body in Ketosis state where your body is out of glycogen, the liver will start to product ketones; a byproduct of fatty acids. Instead of relying to atp for energy, the body uses ketones as source of energy.
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Ohhh. Ketone...bad smell chemical...
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post May 19 2012, 11:16 PM

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i remember last time i tried ckd.

monday- easily hungury, keep go toilet because no carbs and diuretic. blush.gif
tuesday- feel ok
wednesday- feel dizzy rclxub.gif
thursday-out of energy, sleepy yawn.gif
friday- body temperature feel freeze, no sweat
saturday- feel happy for evening carbs load rclxms.gif
sunday- eat like pig rclxm9.gif
monday- mind feel upset again due to carbs load yesterday and make you heavier and need prohibit delicious food again. doh.gif

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post May 19 2012, 11:47 PM

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Added on May 19, 2012, 11:34 pm
How many weeks you are in CKD?
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i think 8 weeks, finally surrender....
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post May 20 2012, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(alien9 @ May 19 2012, 11:52 PM)
Result from it? Starting weight, end weight, body fat percentage, muscle mass if you do have. Care to share?
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thats few years ago, im not glad with result, maybe not suit for me, maybe u can try. different people get different result.

 

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