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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V23 - Dead or Alive!

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post May 18 2012, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(shen1716 @ May 18 2012, 08:42 AM)
my new saga flx front side windows,both can move down 100%....but rear side both window cant move down 100%,only can move down around 65%,izit consider normal?
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Move down both rear windows, if both also around 65%, means 'NORMAL'. sweat.gif

Quick answer: YES, IT WAS NORMAL
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post May 18 2012, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 18 2012, 09:08 AM)
IT IS STILL NORMAL.  tongue.gif
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post May 18 2012, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(mieza @ May 18 2012, 11:34 AM)
Yes normal. It is because of safety reason biggrin.gif


Added on May 18, 2012, 11:37 amSpeaking of antenna, I like to ask 1 question. I love to play red.fm on my car. But my radio was program like this "RED.FM xxxxx SARIMAH".. How to remove "xxxxx SARIMAH"??
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Nope, you can't edit the word, this ID is automatic received by ur HU and display like this. This additional info is transmitted by each station, only depends on ur car HU can decode or not.
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post May 19 2012, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 19 2012, 10:23 PM)
SOOooo...today got a few hours free, nothing better to do so saje saje went to a Perodua dealership and requested to test drive the LBLP.

Once we got in the car, the SA was enthusiastic, explaining to me some of the features (Which of course I already know), and manage to sneak in a few swipes at Proton as well. Being abit impatient, I told him to buckle up coz I wanna start the test drive.

As soon as I turn into the main road, he notice that it was getting dark, as in it was going to rain. A look at his face I know what he's thinking dy, his dealership is one of those who frowns upon test drives in the rain.

So, he starts talking about the car's awesome TURNING RADIUS, and tells me he will demonstrate to me how small it is. He ask me to pull over on a 2 lane road, which still had cars coming and going, AND ASK ME TO MAKE A U TURN. I was of course hesitant la, coz got cars. But since he said so, takkan I take him on a joyride, so when a window of opportunity appeared, I quickly made a U TURN and began driving back to the dealership, parked the car and thus ended the test drive.

So, after today's "test drive", I am happy to report that the LBLP can, indeed, make a U TURN on a two lane road.
WTFISTHISSHIT.com  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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ONLY test for this?? shocking.gif Power? Sound Insulation? Handling? doh.gif
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post May 20 2012, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ May 20 2012, 08:27 AM)
Hi & Good Morning, Everyone!! notworthy.gif

Juz2share...

There's a round black rubber plug at side of each door in line with door handle.
Remove that "plug".
A Philips head screw can be seen in centre of hole.

Chk if that screw is fully tightened.

Fyi mine was : 1 fully tightened BUT the other 3 were VERY LOOSE!!

I hv oledi tightened them. smile.gif

Dunno, if not tightened, this cld be a source of noises from door or might cause any probs in future... tongue.gif
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got pic or not? really dun know where it located...is it the rubber seal for the handle?
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post May 20 2012, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ May 20 2012, 03:36 PM)
Ok, Bro...
Juz took pics juz 4yu... brows.gif
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I opened mine, all 4 not tighten also...this make me wonder is that some special reason they doing so? Anyway i tighten all 4, tested door handle open close, lock/unlock without problem, so let see. wink.gif

Anyway, just share, the 3 nuts at your upper pic (screw the lock mechanism), some of it also quite loose, i tighten it also before. doh.gif shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(zeone @ May 20 2012, 05:03 PM)
Yup, me also tested after tightening only one first.
IINM Dun think that screw does anything else except to hold door handle in place. smile.gif

Re 3 screws @ lock area, mine were oledi tight.
So feel shld also not be loose. IINM they're for holding that end of lock mechanism in place there. tongue.gif

All these are assembly oversight items. QC guy juz looked 2C the screws were there nia!!! Nvr chk-ed tightened properly or not!! doh.gif
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If really that case, then really damn it...imagine there oversight the screw that holding the body joint. rolleyes.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(kongjong @ May 21 2012, 12:38 PM)
still the best comment/advice, davidke20.
conclude: the auto P must acts together with handbrake. cheers.
agree that if the core problem is the design of handbrake cable, most probably proton wont go for designing a new one to suit saga flx as designing could cost a lots. unless DRBHCOM want it solved or it simply cos by quality of the drumbrake.

want to know any of you face dashboard making noise problem other than drumbrake issue? this is another common problem to saga flx. (from my research: drumbrake and dashboard sound occur to many saga). sweat.gif
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Believe me, in Proton car, everything that can be dismantled. rotatable, open-able things will have possibility to vibrate and making noise, just depends on your luck.

This area including plastic door trim, dashboard, steering, center console, power windows, seats.....etc

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 21 2012, 04:32 PM)
Partly agree wt u, but 1 must bear in mind, Plotong car has the HAIEST servis rekod in the world, partly bcoz its cheap to repair! According to my mech, even new car before warranty habis people ady send in to put neon lamp la, change head unit(sound sistem), change cikai steering wheel, put tweeter etc etc shakehead.gif

The problem is, u r advise to change the metal clip everytime u pull out the prrrastic parts! How many of us did this? Prolly 0, may be 1 in a million bcoz the clip snapped whilst pulling out. 1 must understand the metal clip is made to deaden the mounting for both d|ck & pu$$y side, once got in cannot come out. After pull out, either the prastic kena sliced by the metal clip, or the metal clip kena kapit, reassemble a loosen clip will result in massive rattling noise! This is the major culprit causes all the unwanted "techno beat" in car.

My 16 years old WIGA A/B went through a thorough "pest control" project 2 years ago, when my sifu dismentle every single prrastic cover in the car, had them replaced with brand new clips, all the mice & hemster got away immediately! Came with a crazy bill of RM96! shakehead.gif 48pcs metal clips * RM2/pc. That was 1 expansive experience and came with great discount when I troubleshoot my ISWAGA. I use trashbin prasstic to wrap the plastic mounting, heat it up with lighter so it melt on the surface, re-expand the old clip, force it back to the plastic mounting before I plug them back on the car. Result is, as good as NEW shocking.gif Total costing as below:

1.5 x black trash bin bag
2 x Aladdin lighter
2 days weekend labor
1 scratch mark on my finger + some blood laugh.gif

All in all, every car has the potential to develope mouse squeeky noise in the car, matter of how 1 handle it, or whether change metal clip after dismentle. Believe it or not, after your 1st aircon servis, there comes the rattling sound from glove compartment. After replace the snapped shiftstick tensioner(gear spring we call), then the whole gear/henbrek/radio console start to make noise.
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The problem is our GAGA start to vibrate even those part are still virgin (never dismantle before and the car is still)...We actually do the reverse engineering to dismantle and deaden the noise. doh.gif doh.gif
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post May 21 2012, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 21 2012, 10:24 PM)
Bcoz weekend is the only days:

1) No need to wake up early to grab GAGA's key
2) Spend time with children & wifu
3) Go soping
4) SiuYi notti with galfren (that's why komplen)
5) r3apers notti with wifu (that's why come late)
6) No need to go all the way to Puchong
7) No need to go work laugh.gif
8) Play FB game night & day
9) Play Diablo
10) Watch hong kee series wholeday

Most of all, need to do chores, clean house, get to see the pretty neighbour carwash, u know la they wet their t-shirts laugh.gif
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No wonder u don mind to do something silly to attract them laugh at you laugh.gif
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QUOTE(zukjka @ May 23 2012, 09:18 PM)
if pump manually no problem.If auto fill,the jumper always jump aroun RM 50~RM55 for full tank in the case 5 bar  rclxub.gif
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I always refill with auto at SLOWEST RATE, after it stop, i manually pump in, normally can pump in around 1 ~ 2 little until can see the fuel flow out and can't go in anymore. ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ May 23 2012, 10:38 PM)
Why slowest rate?
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Because 'i believe'.
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Salute to you.

For me no matter she is pretty, hot or cold, i won't dare to do such 'ice breaking' with stranger even she sit in front of me.
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 24 2012, 03:20 PM)
I know u guys jealous me England better than u mar, that's why cum bad mouth me lar. Think u is smart? All blacks am new jiland ler. Luzer tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ May 25 2012, 10:37 AM)
The last part was what I meant, nothing to do with ECU.

The getrag tranny has shorter ratios than the FL/BLM tranny. I'm wondering if that is because it is more efficient for the IAFM+ engine.
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From my understanding, IAFM+ just a durability improvement version of IAFM in terms of part, means solve the tak tak noise problem, should be nothing to do with the performance, no? hmm.gif

FLX engine is tuned to rev cut @ 5750rpm for CVT, purpose should be protect the tranny, and engine curve should be same as BLM/FL IAFM, no? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(lhwj @ May 25 2012, 12:39 PM)
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MFA30A is the original Aichi Kikai tranny on BLM and FL, I'm guessing the Getrag one is 5MTT200A.

Yes, at first glance the Getrag ratios seem shorter than the AK tranny, but don't forget to multiply by the final drive (AK 4.705, Getrag 3.8). If you do this, the ratios look like this:

Gear No./AK ratio/Getrag ratio

1 / 15.682 / 13.471
2 / 9.194 / 7.771
3 / 6.046 / 5.373
4 / 4.357 / 4.005
5 / 3.552 / 3.336

Those of you having the AK tranny will know that the ratios are really short. It's good for power and acceleration, especially since Campro has lousy low end torque, but then again I still think it's too low. My typical shifting pattern is like this: 1st gear just to get the car moving, I only stay in it for less than 2 seconds, 2nd until 20 km/h, 3rd until 40 km/h, 4th until near 60 km/h and then 5th onwards. I don't mind shifting up so fast but the real issue is that at 110 km/h the engine drones at 3,600 RPM which is totally unnecessary, seeing that the CVT can do the same speed at much lower revs. Maybe adding a 6th gear would be helpful.
Wah. I go at 8 am sharp but get no. 15 in the queue sweat.gif
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Sometimes i drive @ 110km/h and free gear, i will know my car sound proof level is very good at this speed. doh.gif
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 25 2012, 02:58 PM)
For the hard start during warm eagine can cause by many fact:

1) Loose nozzle head.injector working over time at high spraying volume tend to weaken,unable to retract in time. Excess fuel wet spark plug result in hard crank

2) Our S4P uses independent coil for each sparkplug. Over time driing tend to heat up the coil, spark become weak as a result gotta hard crank

3) New/expired sparkplug gap too near/far apart, result in uneven sparks, especially during hot engine, gap effect become significant. If new sparkplug can loosen the iridium head, whereas for old sparkplug need to be tighten. My uncle's A31 cefiro uses his stock sparkplug for 12 years until the copper head can't be tighten anymore only he change.

4) Last but not least, hot air is bad for ignition. Noon time/after long distance, substatial hot air trapped in engine bay causes uneasy to burn the A/F mixture.

Hope this help. Justify before change anything suggested by the mech. Don't let those mech simply cut throat.
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Mine also same, happened just now. Crank for >5s also unsuccessful. All this only happen after hot engine let say stop for awhile (refuel...) and start again. Morning cold time, start within 3 cranks.

Anyway, just now when i refueled just pour in a bottle of Waxco fuel injector cleaner, dun know what is the effect, let see.

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QUOTE(dares @ May 25 2012, 04:20 PM)
i thought so too, but campro I smile.gif AFM+ also refers to the whole engine setup. As far as I know, for 1.6, the IAFM+ variant has reprofiled cams, so it gets higher torque at lower RPM, but lower max hp compared to 1.6 IAFM. Not sure about 1.3 IAFM+.

So its not just a simple rev cut as you said  smile.gif


Added on May 25, 2012, 4:22 pm

Engine cover is unnecessary, unless you want your engine to look good, otherwise it is functionally negligible.
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Make sense too, cause CVT cruising @ low RPM only, so it should be reprofiled cams, anyway any 'official' info regarding this? hmm.gif


Added on May 25, 2012, 4:30 pmEdited: You think CVT can do dyno test or not? As the RPM is fix when acceleration, so how dyno machine can test in whole RPM range? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 28 2012, 08:44 AM)
+1 on V12k comment. I drive manual cars, and they all share the similar behaviour. High power vehicle is even more obvious. After gear engaged, if engine not received sufficient fuel to burn whilst cruising at low speed, wheels will kick back engine, as a result felt jerking in the car laugh.gif However, once u get used to it u know when to press the pedal & when not to, jerking can be reduced to minimal. Driven a few CVT GaGa before, they do felt like a manual car with only 1 gear + without clutch pedal laugh.gif kinda like CVT! Will never look back in conventional auto GB. There may be ways to improve it lar, as driven a Kemry 2.4 which doesn't have the jerking feeling like our Plotong. Hope Plotong will look into it, may be software issue blink.gif Never get to test it on the Pervert though, as I whack the car 9 9 during test drive, very smooth acceleration(sprint to be exact laugh.gif) & hard brakings for that whole 30 minutes!
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My colleague around my left and right absent today, feel very boring la, you guys please spam la, else i will bore until die leh...

Anyway, manual BLM will never feel smooth in slow speed, especially traffic jam and cruising @ 1st gear. Few reason contribute to this. 1st is power hungry compressor, this really drive me rage sometimes, when i just start to release the clutch, the compressor kickin, 'glok....', then my car is jerk like hell, have to quickly press the clutch and accelerate again. 2nd is the damn close ratio AK GB, torque is easy to transfer to wheel, however when torque suddenly sucked by compressor, wheels will kick back engine through GB, that why jerk again. 3rd, the damn over sensitive electronic throttle, u will never can control your engine speed @ 1.1-1.5k rpm, u can easily test out @ N, press throttle, the damn rpm either will never move or it will shoot up at least 1.7-2k rpm. If during slow speed fully disengaged the clutch, it will jerk like hell.

So my countermeasure about this:
1st case: Always open my aircon temp @ highest temp (lowest power), so the compressor kickin every 20-30s (depends on cabin temp), if feel hot, might just increase the fan blow speed.
2nd case: Curse and rage. Nola, once the car move (even 10km/h, i will shift to 2nd gear, so that the ratio is longer now, wheel kick back feeling will minimized.
3nd case: Curse and rage. Nola, no choice but have to control the clutch precise like robot. I think the clutch will wear faster if control like this way, have to always half disengaged.

So overall Saga with AK manual GB is damn in slow speed and.....

damn in high speed as well. doh.gif

Dun scold me for starting today with all this shit, just sharing my thought.

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 28 2012, 09:28 AM)
Re: response... Placebo! Big time! 3 year old car add ground cable to increase throttle response?! I'll be damn to buy a car!

Re: vacuum gauge, u did mentioned its a 3 wire setup. I'm guassing the rd wire is NOT ignition. setup shd be as below

+ve - ignition
-ve - ground
Extra cable - parking lamp

When u start your car, it shd be brightlight background. When front light activated, background light become dimmer, so it won't hurt your sight during night time.
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It only apply on old car, new saga no matter u on headlamp or not, the meter panel light will not dimmer and remain constant leh.

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