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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V23 - Dead or Alive!

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post May 23 2012, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ May 23 2012, 01:38 PM)
There is one in the country

The Ford Focus TDCi
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What would be really awesome is a manual tranny version. But I don't wanna drive a pickup truck sweat.gif

QUOTE(dares @ May 23 2012, 01:38 PM)
Engine of course running fine, but when (touchwood) warranty time "Eh you lambat servis la, nanti saya check ngan HQ dulu"  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Warranty is one year for most of the car, and five years for the engine, right?
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post May 23 2012, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 23 2012, 02:31 PM)
3 years for engine and tranny, 1 year for the others, 10 years for power windows. Unless you signed up for extended warranty which will be 5 years for your engine and tranny.
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Don't think I have extended warranty. So I'm halfway through the warranty for engine and tranny. Campro, is very reliable, rite? whistling.gif
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post May 23 2012, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ May 23 2012, 03:54 PM)
errr....

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Pick up truck? hmm.gif
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No no, what I meant is that, there are no other manual tranny diesels cars on sale at the moment, unless you're talking about pickup trucks, and I don't want one of them. Nothing to do with the Focus.

QUOTE(wyxyz @ May 23 2012, 04:07 PM)
This is regarding to Proton BLM's tyre of choice. At the moment, i'm using the stock tyre Goodyear Ducaro GA (185/60R14). Apparently, i heard normally a tyre's lifeline (depending on a driver's driving skill) would last to about 50,000km. Any comments? And also what are the recommended tyres for a comfortable ride. I'm not into racing, just normal city driving.
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I have the same tyres and so far there's still quite a bit of thread left. 39,000 km, two rotations done. I'm guessing it should last until 60,000 km.

When they're worn I'm planning to change them to Michelin XM2. I'm just a bit concerned about the Ducaro's grip in the wet, especially on a car without ABS and traction control.

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post May 23 2012, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ May 23 2012, 04:15 PM)
manual diesel... hmm.gif

Ada geh... you call those AP fellar import one BMW 320d Manual for you. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wyxyz @ May 23 2012, 04:18 PM)
I'm at around 30,500km. Did the alignment + rotation. From the back to front. Apparently, both tyres at the back- sort of 'hilang bunga' faster than the front part (still berbunga-bunga). Mind to explain why Michelin XM2? Better control?
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Weird. On a front wheel drive the front tyres should wear faster. Anyway, reading about the XM2 it seems like a decent set to upgrade to. Good grip and not noisy. I'm more concerned about the former, though I've never experienced loss of control or skidding on my Ducaros before.

QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ May 23 2012, 04:20 PM)
Michelin is renowed for its road comfort and quietness and yet durable.
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post May 23 2012, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(wyxyz @ May 23 2012, 04:43 PM)
So, i guess michelin ranks 1st, followed by yokohama c drive2 then goodyear? I'm looking at the price list thread, probably wouldn't differ that much. Speed Line Rahman Putra seems to offer a better deal at rm168 (as of Jan 12). Other than that, definitely a genuine and honest tyre shop is what i'm looking at. No matter how cheap the deal can be, if they're not honest doing business with you, what's the point right? Hmmm
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Not sure about Yokohama. As for a good honest shop you might want to ask around for recommendations. Maybe in the tyre thread.

Quite a few people found the XM2 favourable here.

Oh I have to mention, one thing I love about this set of Ducaros is that it's totally silent when driving in my multi-storey carpark, and other smooth floor carparks too. Every other car screeches like crazy but not mine rclxms.gif

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post May 23 2012, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 23 2012, 05:10 PM)
Very many. Why your salesman wanna know?
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post May 23 2012, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(cuteyman @ May 23 2012, 05:05 PM)
yes i must admit michelin XM2 is suitable for drivers that need comfort and durability..however quietness in XM2 doesnt stay long...as for me..i used XM2 since october 2011 and recently the tires quietness is not effiecient already...but consider saga has bad sound proffing i wont blame 100% to the tire itself...
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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ May 23 2012, 05:35 PM)
The Michelin XM2s are definitely very good tires, but please don't expect miracles. At the end of the day, it's still more of an economy/comfort tire and for the Saga, they are only 14 inches. Not 17 inch low profile performance tires.

It's grip in both wet and dry are much better than the stock Silverstone M3s. E.g. in torrential rain, I only dared to go around 50 - 60 on the Silverstones. On the Michelins, I could push it to 80- 90.
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post May 23 2012, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(zukjka @ May 23 2012, 08:27 PM)
Any1 has similiar problem like mine when fill petrol using auto fill always missing 1bar?
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Me guessing the float in the fuel tank determining level is stuck. This could be true if the second bar lasts for a very long distance, like more than 100 km.


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post May 23 2012, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(zukjka @ May 23 2012, 08:38 PM)
The funniest thing is.sometime,once I drive out the petrol station.the petrol level from 5bar jump to 6bar.
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There you go, the float is stuck. You start driving, the petrol starts sloshing and the float becomes unstuck rclxms.gif
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post May 23 2012, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 23 2012, 10:38 PM)
Why slowest rate?
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To discharge air trapped in the tank, and to allow the fuel to flow properly into the tank without building up. If not the nozzle will trip prematurely. I hate pumps which shoot at 1 L / second on the slowest setting dry.gif
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post May 24 2012, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(mysoo @ May 24 2012, 09:17 PM)
After listening to all those  problem faced by FLX owners, I kind of glad I bought FL in June last years instead for waiting for FLX.
Atleast feel no so butt hurt.
So far I nvr have any problem with my FL 1.3 Exec AT
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I wished I could upgrade my SE to FLX spec. Getrag manual tranny, stiffer suspensions, front passenger airbag, IAFM+, ABS and EBD. I wonder how much would all that cost hmm.gif
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post May 25 2012, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 24 2012, 10:50 PM)
Suspension definitely can. Airbag, ABS and EBD, theoretically can but won't be easy, need to upgrade ECU. IAFM+ component, still no answer on that.

The Getrag tranny, I dunno if it is tuned to the IAFM+ engine as it has slightly different performance figures than the IAFM engine. If it is, best to do an engine transplant as well.

In the end, get a new car better  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(zeone @ May 24 2012, 11:34 PM)
Upgrade FL SE to FLX SE?
Not worth it...unless like Bro dares said (in quote below) ie change to brand NEW FLX SE!! tongue.gif
At least then new car (with all that yu want) is covered by official warranty!! Not @ own risk if like juz follow yr idea... thumbup.gif
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I think I might as well wait for Saga v.3.0 tongue.gif

QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 25 2012, 08:46 AM)
For manual transmission cars, their engine management are standalone(semi auto like step tronic/tip tronic/sequential excluded). Changing gear box will not change engine output, but switching from manual to auto or the other way round is entirely different story. Engine will alway detect P & refuse to move.
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Because manual tranny's TCU is in fact the driver's brain rclxms.gif

QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 25 2012, 08:46 AM)
Lhwj always the fuel save king.
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QUOTE(dares @ May 25 2012, 10:37 AM)
The last part was what I meant, nothing to do with ECU.

The getrag tranny has shorter ratios than the FL/BLM tranny. I'm wondering if that is because it is more efficient for the IAFM+ engine.
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 25 2012, 11:41 AM)
I've been modifying cars for decades, but have never bother to learn about gear ratio calculation. Those days all we did was changing gears from big CC vehicle tranny to small CC's tranny so the small CC can increase top speed.

So, how to differentiate? Short ratio means the gear smaller and closer ratio to achive top speed? Or the gear bigger and thread far apart to achive pickup?

To cut the crap short, meaning change to getrag can get higher top speed? Or better pickup by sacrficing top speed?
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QUOTE(dares @ May 25 2012, 11:45 AM)
short ratio means you go through the gears faster (reach max torque faster), good for playing pickup. For small cc cars it is better to have short ratios.
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My reasons for desiring the Getrag tranny are due to the different final drive, and while I haven't driven a manual FLX before (only the CVT one), I'm guessing the shifting feel is much improved. People who have driven my car said they like it very much except for the shifting feel, and I agree. If you're going to be rowing through the gears many times while driving it's worth getting a gearbox with a good feel.

Anyway, about the ratio, see this:

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MFA30A is the original Aichi Kikai tranny on BLM and FL, I'm guessing the Getrag one is 5MTT200A.

Yes, at first glance the Getrag ratios seem shorter than the AK tranny, but don't forget to multiply by the final drive (AK 4.705, Getrag 3.8). If you do this, the ratios look like this:

Gear No./AK ratio/Getrag ratio

1 / 15.682 / 13.471
2 / 9.194 / 7.771
3 / 6.046 / 5.373
4 / 4.357 / 4.005
5 / 3.552 / 3.336

Those of you having the AK tranny will know that the ratios are really short. It's good for power and acceleration, especially since Campro has lousy low end torque, but then again I still think it's too low. My typical shifting pattern is like this: 1st gear just to get the car moving, I only stay in it for less than 2 seconds, 2nd until 20 km/h, 3rd until 40 km/h, 4th until near 60 km/h and then 5th onwards. I don't mind shifting up so fast but the real issue is that at 110 km/h the engine drones at 3,600 RPM which is totally unnecessary, seeing that the CVT can do the same speed at much lower revs. Maybe adding a 6th gear would be helpful.



QUOTE(iXora.ix @ May 25 2012, 11:25 AM)
morning guys..

so sad today.. wake up kinda late 8.30 .. rush to nearest SC which is 1km from my house.. and the Q .. at least 10 car infront of me.. aiyoo... cant tahan drive back to my house and call my mom to go pasar and breakfast.. so sad... plan try to camp infront of SC tomorrow morning..
Wah. I go at 8 am sharp but get no. 15 in the queue sweat.gif

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post May 25 2012, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(GP mad man @ May 25 2012, 12:06 PM)
hi all sifu, i been flwing this thread from beginning but still very confusing on certain thing...
dun scold me noob pls, tats y i silent all time...Ā  sweat.gif

my blm 2010 1.3mt almos 15,000 km now

question:
1# i heard install item (reverse sensor, foglamp, etc) that need wiring will void my warranty, pls advice...

2# aircon compressor kick in, is it only way is to decrease the kick in by stepping more oil?

3# front 2 ducaro, back 2 stock silverstone>>> ok ma?

4# after driving highway, switch off engine and retart after tat sometime difficult to start>>>spark plug problem?

thx in advanceĀ  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(dares @ May 25 2012, 12:30 PM)
Then irrelevant to throttle gua.

The compressor will always cause a nett power loss when it kicks in, doesn't matter you press the throttle or not. I heard ppl say our car will cut of the compressor during hard acceleration, dunno true anotĀ  hmm.gif
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For No. 4, I get that problem occasionally, when I try and start a warm / hot engine. I doubt it's the spark plugs, maybe the fuel pump?

For No. 2, when the air cond compressor kicks in while driving slowly in first or second gear on the manual tranny, it gives one big jerk to the car. It's serious damn annoying, especially if it kicks in while you're accelerating from a traffic light. The effect is not so much noticeable in higher gears and at higher speeds. Solution, change to a not-so-powderful compressor? unsure.gif

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post May 25 2012, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 25 2012, 12:57 PM)
So the truth is, the AK GB has shorter ratio then?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Yes, after factoring in the final drive.
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QUOTE(dares @ May 25 2012, 01:01 PM)
Because the IAFM variant has poorer low end torque??
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I dunno about that. Wished we could compare the torque graph between IAFM and IAFM+. I doubt there's a huge difference though, like CamTAKpro and IAFM.

QUOTE(GP mad man @ May 25 2012, 12:59 PM)
agreed on both.

1st and 2nd gear kicks in very very jerk my passenger tot i duno change gear and mati engine  sweat.gif
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My personal solution is to turn on the air-cond only when I reach the main road (cruising), and reduce the amount of time spent in the lower gears, but this is dependent on traffic.

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post May 25 2012, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(iXora.ix @ May 25 2012, 01:11 PM)
just use aircond lah bro.. haha.. is it a myth if we wind down the window while driving will save your fuel? myth rite. hahaha
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Winding down windows will increase drag so it will not save fuel.

As for the air cond factor, I think with the air cond on and windows up in city traffic driving, consumption will be worse compared to windows down and air cond off. On the highway though, air cond on and windows up is definitely better than air cond off and windows down.

QUOTE(GP mad man @ May 25 2012, 01:12 PM)
i feel no aircon can pickup faster, m i rite?
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I think your butt dyno should easily feel that tongue.gif
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post May 25 2012, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(huzaifa136 @ May 25 2012, 05:20 PM)
sometimes, if refuel early, say 2 bar left, will get better fc, true or not?
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QUOTE(dares @ May 25 2012, 05:24 PM)
Got such thing?  blink.gif
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Plausible. Less evaporation if there's more fuel and less air in the tank.

QUOTE(dares @ May 25 2012, 10:24 PM)
PROTON PARTS CENTRE LA .
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QUOTE(Jazz6218 @ May 26 2012, 12:26 AM)
hi guys recently my car got some tak tak tak sound from the engine,if got tis sound means iafm kong??
if tis sound appear,will my car hav a major power loss? notworthy.gif
my warranty juz over,if nothing major guess i will juz live wif the sound  sad.gif
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The sound is caused by some loose rod in the IAFM, I think. The IAFM should still work properly, it's just that it's annoying. Warranty just over? Three years?
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ May 26 2012, 11:46 PM)
Im not sure what daylight LEDs are.
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This?
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ May 27 2012, 08:47 PM)

Besides, why can't Plotong make the signal lever on the right? Plotong selling good in China/US meh? Frm what I understand UK/OZ oso ritehen drivin cuntry. Just now I almost broke my wiper lever when I ready to turn left blink.gif f*ckin hated Plotong for this shakehead.gif
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