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post Mar 17 2014, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(topearn @ Mar 17 2014, 10:05 PM)
Down another cent to RM0.23 now. I expect it to ease further to about RM0.20 by end of the week.
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R u going to buy when it reaches 0.20?
wil-i-am
post Mar 18 2014, 09:19 AM

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0.235/0.24 now
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post Mar 20 2014, 11:18 AM

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collect or sell?. what does the future hold for mas?..PN17?..or 0.10cents?
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post Mar 20 2014, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(Gummiboy @ Mar 20 2014, 11:18 AM)
collect or sell?. what does the future hold for mas?..PN17?..or 0.10cents?
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Heading to privatisation
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post Mar 20 2014, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Gummiboy @ Mar 20 2014, 11:18 AM)
collect or sell?. what does the future hold for mas?..PN17?..or 0.10cents?
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Impossible to go to 0.1 cents...lowest is 0.5 cents.

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post Mar 20 2014, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 20 2014, 11:42 AM)
Heading to privatisation
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Guess it's time for U to withdraw your millions and millions of RM U earned from bursa and using it to take MAS private.

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post Mar 20 2014, 02:16 PM

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Guess it's time for U to withdraw your millions and millions of RM U earned from bursa and using it to take MAS private.
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I dun have d capacity
Awaiting Khazanah to kick start d game
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post Mar 20 2014, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 20 2014, 11:42 AM)
Heading to privatisation
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really? shocking.gif taxpayer money "gone" cry.gif
wil-i-am
post Mar 20 2014, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Mar 20 2014, 03:11 PM)
really?  shocking.gif  taxpayer money "gone"  cry.gif
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post Mar 20 2014, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 20 2014, 03:17 PM)
My wish
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Share price usually jump up when news of company going private...so U're hoping for the windfall since U're one of the shareholders.
Privatizing MAS is good for the airline to run efficiently...right now MAS is under too many constraints especially from the government.

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post Mar 24 2014, 09:35 AM

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Anyone seen this?
If there is a risk like this, who wants to privatise?
At $150k each, MAS is looking at $150k x 230 = $35m basic. cry.gif

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MAS can be sued over MH370, say legal experts
MARCH 22, 2014
LATEST UPDATE: MARCH 22, 2014 09:40 AM

Speaking to CNN, they said while the claims process would be complicated, it is difficult for MAS to plead absence of negligence.

"The negligence may have even begun in the process of accepting stolen passports," said Brian Havel, a law professor and director of the International Aviation Law Institute at DePaul University, referring to the earlier discovery that two Iranians had boarded the plane using stolen passports.


Under the Montreal Convention adopted by members of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), an airline must pay initial compensation of between US$150,000 and US$175,000 (RM494,000 and RM578,000) to relatives of each passenger killed in an air crash.

And unless the airline can prove it took all necessary measures to prevent an accident, the relatives can sue for further damages.

A lawyer who has dealt with passenger claims said not knowing what happened to the aircraft would present "some significant hurdles", but from a legal point of view, it was not unprecendented, said Dan Rose, as quoted by CNN.

Legal experts said Boeing, the plane's manufacturer, can also be held liable if a mechanical flaw is ruled as the cause, but this could be difficult if the plane was not recovered.

Monica Kelly, an attorney at Ribbeck Law Chartered who plans to file a suit against Malaysia Airlines and Boeing, told CNN that based on her experience, families could receive between US$400,000 (RM1.3 million) and US$3 million (RM9.9 million) in damages.

However, it could take two years before they see the money, she said.

The CNN report said a lot would depend on where the lawsuits are filed.

According to aviation lawyer Mike Danko, plaintiffs tend to be awarded much larger sums in US courts than in other countries, with some awards touching US$6 million to US$8 million.

Lawsuits could be filed in several countries as there are at least 14 nationals on board flight MH370.

CNN reported that US lawyers are already in Beijing.

Chinese citizens make up 153 of those on board the MAS plane.

Havel, meanwhile, believed that most claims would be settled out of court.

The CNN report said uncertainty about the passengers' fate could slow the legal process but most countries would allow judges to rule that a passenger was presumed dead if there was no news for months.

This will enable the families to file claims including for life insurance.

CNN said much of MAS's expenses would be covered by insurance policies which cover a plane and its passengers.

"Coverage averages between US$2 billion and US$2.5 billion per aircraft, including about US$10 million per passenger," Havel told the network.

The first claims for the missing aircraft has already been paid.

Allianz had confirmed that it is the lead insurer covering the MAS aircraft and said the company and other co-reinsurers of the MAS aviation hull and liability policy had made initial payments.

"This is in agreement with the insurance broker, Willis, and is in line with normal market practice and our contractual obligations where an aircraft is reported as missing," the German insurer said on Wednesday.

The search for the Malaysian jet is the longest in modern passenger-airline history. The previous record was the 10-day search for a Boeing 737-400 operated by Indonesia’s PT Adam Skyconnection Airlines, which went missing off the coast of that country’s Sulawesi island on January 1, 2007. – March 22, 2014.

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post Mar 24 2014, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 24 2014, 09:35 AM)
Anyone seen this?
If there is a risk like this, who wants to privatise?
At $150k each, MAS is looking at $150k x 230 = $35m  basic.  cry.gif

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MAS can be sued over MH370, say legal experts
MARCH 22, 2014
LATEST UPDATE: MARCH 22, 2014 09:40 AM

Speaking to CNN, they said while the claims process would be complicated, it is difficult for MAS to plead absence of negligence.

"The negligence may have even begun in the process of accepting stolen passports," said Brian Havel, a law professor and director of the International Aviation Law Institute at DePaul University, referring to the earlier discovery that two Iranians had boarded the plane using stolen passports.
Under the Montreal Convention adopted by members of the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO), an airline must pay initial compensation of between US$150,000 and US$175,000 (RM494,000 and RM578,000) to relatives of each passenger killed in an air crash.

And unless the airline can prove it took all necessary measures to prevent an accident, the relatives can sue for further damages.

A lawyer who has dealt with passenger claims said not knowing what happened to the aircraft would present "some significant hurdles", but from a legal point of view, it was not unprecendented, said Dan Rose, as quoted by CNN.

Legal experts said Boeing, the plane's manufacturer, can also be held liable if a mechanical flaw is ruled as the cause, but this could be difficult if the plane was not recovered.

Monica Kelly, an attorney at Ribbeck Law Chartered who plans to file a suit against Malaysia Airlines and Boeing, told CNN that based on her experience, families could receive between US$400,000 (RM1.3 million) and US$3 million (RM9.9 million) in damages.

However, it could take two years before they see the money, she said.

The CNN report said a lot would depend on where the lawsuits are filed.

According to aviation lawyer Mike Danko, plaintiffs tend to be awarded much larger sums in US courts than in other countries, with some awards touching US$6 million to US$8 million.

Lawsuits could be filed in several countries as there are at least 14 nationals on board flight MH370.

CNN reported that US lawyers are already in Beijing.

Chinese citizens make up 153 of those on board the MAS plane.

Havel, meanwhile, believed that most claims would be settled out of court.

The CNN report said uncertainty about the passengers' fate could slow the legal process but most countries would allow judges to rule that a passenger was presumed dead if there was no news for months.

This will enable the families to file claims including for life insurance.

CNN said much of MAS's expenses would be covered by insurance policies which cover a plane and its passengers.

"Coverage averages between US$2 billion and US$2.5 billion per aircraft, including about US$10 million per passenger," Havel told the network.

The first claims for the missing aircraft has already been paid.

Allianz had confirmed that it is the lead insurer covering the MAS aircraft and said the company and other co-reinsurers of the MAS aviation hull and liability policy had made initial payments.

"This is in agreement with the insurance broker, Willis, and is in line with normal market practice and our contractual obligations where an aircraft is reported as missing," the German insurer said on Wednesday.

The search for the Malaysian jet is the longest in modern passenger-airline history. The previous record was the 10-day search for a Boeing 737-400 operated by Indonesia’s PT Adam Skyconnection Airlines, which went missing off the coast of that country’s Sulawesi island on January 1, 2007. – March 22, 2014.
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To a billion RM company, RM35million is sap sap sui......MAS has revenue of over 3,800 million in its last quarter results.

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post Mar 24 2014, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(topearn @ Mar 24 2014, 11:48 AM)
To a billion RM company, RM35million is sap sap sui......MAS has revenue of over 3,800 million in its last quarter results.
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First, That's USD35mil as STARTERS.......basic payment. About Rm100mil.
The passengers can sue for MORE. nod.gif

sap sap sui for PROFIT making company, What was MAS making last quarter? biggrin.gif
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post Mar 24 2014, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 24 2014, 01:14 PM)
First, That's USD35mil as STARTERS.......basic payment.  About Rm100mil. 
The passengers can sue for MORE.    nod.gif

sap sap sui for PROFIT making company, What was MAS making last quarter?    biggrin.gif
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Mas bot insurance
Let insurance co (Etiqa) settle d bill
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post Mar 24 2014, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 24 2014, 03:29 PM)
Mas bot insurance
Let insurance co (Etiqa) settle d bill
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it's under Maybank shocking.gif So "indirectly" Maybank would also be affected? hmm.gif
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post Mar 24 2014, 06:04 PM

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Yes sure affected a bit
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post Mar 24 2014, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Mar 24 2014, 03:39 PM)
it's under Maybank shocking.gif  So "indirectly" Maybank would also be affected?  hmm.gif
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Of coz
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post Mar 24 2014, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Mar 24 2014, 06:20 PM)
Of coz
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Maybank share price stay at RM9.64
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post Mar 24 2014, 09:21 PM

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Maybank share price stay at RM9.64
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Etiqa have rope in a few reinsurer(s) to insure Mas
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post Mar 24 2014, 10:45 PM

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Will MAS tank tomorrow until suspended? Looks like confirmation of the debris being MH370 is high.

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