If you are prepared to pay fine why pay now? Leave it as it is so long as the extension dont collapse on you. Why would you want to legalise it by paying now? When one day MPSJ come after you it is no different from today you still pay the same fine and expenses.

You may never know one day you might want to do some reno and by then you get the drawing and pay the fee, not need to pay fine and save for now.

But if you want the seller to bear some cost tell him and his lawyer you are going to inform MPSJ and he has to pay the fine. If he threaten you he wont pay fine and allow MPSJ to tear down the sturcture, you just tell him that eventually he still has to pay the fine plus the cost of tearing from MPSJ. So noone win.

Under such, you should just ask him to pay you rm2k for the fine and the rest you take care of it and this can be included in the agreement. From then on you do nothing, put that RM2k in bank saving.


This post has been edited by stevie8: May 18 2012, 03:51 PM

Thanks but I'm not interested in being a d*** to grab a couple of grands from the seller.

I want to legalize the renovations because of three reasons:

- Insurance would likely deny any claim I make if renovations are illegal.
- If I sell the property in the future, I do not want to trouble the buyer with the same issue I'm facing now.
- I have ethics and like to do things properly and legally, not try to squeeze through regulations and hope nothing will happen.

The sooner I can get everything settle, the better. I want peace of mind.

This post has been edited by cedm: May 18 2012, 04:55 PM

Than better buy another house without renovation and do your own renovation. Btw even get permit to renovate does not mean is legal. Because after renovation we need the authority to come and inspect and give another document. Forgot what is the term called. And I bet many don't do it.

I think you are referring the the CCC (Certificate of Completion and Conformance).

I'm aware of that some of the renovation may not be legal, even with a proper permit. This is why I'm trying to figure out what is considered within guidelines and what is not. So far, I ruled all renovations as technically ok, except for the back extension which may be beyond what is allowed.

I chose a renovated house because I didn't want to go through the hassle of renovating a basic unit. It's really not about the cost but about the hassle and time it requires to get renovations done, the uncertainty that the contractor won't do a good job, etc. There's also substantial renovation done inside the house and these do not need council approval. All that is fine. It's only the outdoor renovations that are the issue.

Ccc is cert of completion and compliance.

Its good to legallized the renovation. Peace of mind. You have to check with majlis coz different majlis have different means of dealing with this kind of issue. Even in the same majlis also different people will have different opinion...

Yes, and many don't get it. Even you have permit to renovate, without CCC is still consider illegal.

The world is never perfect. If you are looking for a perfectly legal reno, do it all on your own to really have a peace of mind.

It is not trying to grab some money from some ppl for free or taking advantage. It is to be fair. To be fair to you, bro. Of course again it is never fair or perfectly fair. Fair that he paid some for his mistake, carlessness or whatever and life goes on. For example someone knock your car in an accident. How do you feel if he just walk away. but if he pay you something say half of the damage, it is not the money, but you feel better that he paid some for his mistake. With good feeling you forget about the whole thing and look forward to your life.

Havent heard of insurance not paying like fire due to illegal reno. The insurance companies dont even want to know if your reno is legal or illegal when taking up and accepting your house insurance.

Forget about getting someone into troble. Just pay the new owner some compensation like what you are asking if that make you feel good when you sell your house in future.

Life is unpreditable. expect the unexpected. worry not about regulations when regulators dont bother about regulations themselves. They are the most unperfect ppl around us. If you want to do thngs "perfectly" "properly" build your own house. How you know your house was constructed with "proper" cement mix, enough steel, the foundation, etc, etc and "legal". So the point is if the reno was constructed properly when you and all the people do not know if the original house was constructed properly. Properly does not mean not legal. Legal because it was issue cert. As for your illegal reno, when MPSJ come knocking on your door, you can make it legal by paying fine and some expenses drawing the plan and submit. Why would you want to make it legal now, that was my question. For some compensation money from the seller?

We live in a very unperfect world because all are man made, the regulations, the construction, the everything we made and ourselves are unperfect. What I am saying is not trying to offence you but merely telling you to take thing easy and you will be happy. Life is more than just the reno issue. You got a new house that is the bigger issue and be happy to own it and enjoy it then to be disturbed unneccessary by this legalising the reno.

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Added on May 19, 2012, 12:13 amIf your issue is to legalise the back reno or getting the CCC just go and pay the fine and submit plan as advised by the officer and get him to issue you the CCC. That is the way to go. Pay fine and you will be fine like commiting a traffic offence (making an illegal U turn), pay fine and you are fine, a free man again with a license to drive legally. And again you with your driving license, the licene to drive you can make another illegal U turn, no problem. That's life, that's the rules.

This post has been edited by stevie8: May 19 2012, 12:13 AM

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Fully agreed. I'm facing same problem here, just bought the house and found out the owner did renovated without permit, I'm in the hot water now, and i wish to settle this problem as soon as possible.

i have the same problem but mine is an auction house.is there any different?

Hope you guys can all post follow-ups when you resolve your issues with the different local authorities... hubby is thinking minor reno no need any permit, so I really want to know the possible consequences.

Area?just submit as built drawing and prepare some cash for denda.

hi there, my house in setia indah johor bahru, 9 years house~
totally how much will it costs? (included the drawing plan)
hopefully will below 5k coz i dont have much money to spend on it.

I really need your help to make it legal~ PLEASE

i have no idea that why im here seek for advise~

Sorry.i dont have any contact for JB area.u can try contact jabatan bangunan at MBJB.some of them surely doing part time job.
I think 5k shud be enough for renovation drawing excluding denda.

Is it okay to direct call in to ask? that's so open~

I think topic starter has already set his mind to buy and, money....seems like is his second concern since he like the house so much

I'll just advice you to go ahead.

By the way, if I'm the seller I'll be very happy cause got ppl willing to clean the shit for my mistake.

I think topic starter has already set his mind to buy and, money....seems like is his second concern since he like the house so much

I'll just advice you to go ahead.

By the way, if I'm the seller I'll be very happy cause got ppl willing to clean the shit for my mistake.

Hi anyone can help to apply renovation permit ??? my house located at sri damansara.

Need help. Thx

Hi just to contribute my 2cents of experience. No worries getting it legalize. Just go to local council. Tell them u bought the house that have already slight renovation. As a good citizen u always "HORMAT" all local council ruling. Talk to them very politely. Said now u want to legalize it. can buy ready plan (a booklet for rm10) then pay rm 500 refundable deposit and tell them to come inspect and u will do any rectification to their criteria if required. Once they come for 2nd inspection and happy, they give u back the rm500. Or if they refuse, u just pay rm300-500 fine. They wont breakdown ur house as whatever it is based on legality, the land belongs to u and u can actually do anything to it. But because we Hormat them we want to get their approval. Most of this officer are quite nice. As for me I always get approval befor doing any outside reno. I go thru architect and engineer. The market cost is around RM800-1000 for single storey extension and RM1400-1600 for double storey extension (excluding the RM500) deposit. Take note slight variation in local council protocal between different states. Hope that helps