want to let go my inferno act 1 & 2 Gears..

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2366745/+320#entry54274205

Since ww uses damage from both hands, u should get an off hand weapon with at least 500-600 dps, so u still can do reasonable damage from your off hand while ww. Unless u don't have gold to buy(which's not the the case for u lol), there's no reason to get low dps off hand if u r capable to get higher dps one.

True +1

OK, so WW looks at character damage then..

The barb does 60k dps now. Looking to get more... I think the dagger is holding me back. Do advise if should change to a 900 sword or 700 dagger. I know what stats to look for

I expect sword to have more dps, and dagger of course more aspd. Would a sword mess my ww up?

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Added on September 1, 2012, 4:42 pmforgot to mention that's my barb dagger for quite a while, so looking to upgrade that.

This post has been edited by biatche: Sep 1 2012, 04:42 PM


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This dagger is good enough already, the only stat that this dagger lacks is crit damage that comes along with the dagger, not the socketed crit damage.

If u need to boost your dps, your main hand weapon damage must be high, prefer more than 1k. Next get str and crit damage as high as possible, str need over 2k and crit damage need 450% or more. Don't forget about crit hit, around 50% is good enough.

^ what he said. Your dagger is high end-game material. Unless you got extra cash to splash on the base critical damage along with other improvement in stat in another dagger you plan to buy(highly unlikely since your dagger should be quite rare to start with), invest more on your MH damage.

my mainhand currently is 1k dps 250 str 100 vta socket
offhand as above

looking for a dagger/sword

crit+socket+200str+600loh

700-800dps dagger

or 900-1k sword

thing is, i can find sword way easier than dagger...... dagger really difficult.... and sword does more dmg, so it makes me wonder if the aspd is that important. its a 0.1 difference.

Hi bro well, ur gear for offhand sword or dagger doesn't matter now as long as u like ,u going for DPS the passive skill use weapon master add 10%dmg, if just ur gear have enough c.chance 27%around?

Cos if u have 27%c.chance in ur gear + ruthless 10%+ base 5% + battle rage (into the fray )3% buffed = 50%c. Chance. already perfect


So Atk spd doesn't matter for ww tornado...

got over 40cc
already using weapon master


im looking to go 80-100k dps thats all.

at 60k now,...

ok, dont misunderstand, my ww barb can spin all the way through already. but farming too slow, i wanna hit 100k and storm the map fast

the dagger dps so low, so if i look for a replacement, i want it perfect

Very easy dude high str 2500 above, high c.chance 60%above ,high c.dmg 500%around. if u have this level ofcos ur DPS 100k above.. u can kill like god dy... u must understand wht i means....

Sound like impossible , haha....

My current build now upgrade from 50ksps to 71k , after buff 85k, need to maintain LOH N VITAL.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/zhong-6483/hero/5890335

U really understand... kipparian can make of this state bro.. for my opinion go for ww tornado around 50k unbuffed already awesome man...


Yah.. LoH n vit must maintain it ..dont even DPS high u wont die... if ur LoH low.... lol

present me don't keep emphasize on the dps counter without realising the mechanics behind Whirlwind and Run like the wind. The main purpose of capitalising on the OH attack speed is to generate more hits within the mini cyclones to proc more critical hits in return. You can have a shitload of dps but what's the use when you burn more rage than you actually can generate? He's looking to improve by storming the map fast. That should all comes down to how much rage you can gain from the white mobs while merely relying on the sprint-created-cyclone. Arguably, you NEED a fast OH to squeeze as much hits as possible from 1 mini-cyclone without even utilizing Whirlwind. That way, you can chain your enemies and just run pass them till you actually see a Champion/Elite pack.

So biatche, you should refer to this table:

APS__TPS
0.90 3.00
1.01 3.33
1.12 3.67
1.18 4.00
1.33 4.33
1.44 4.67
1.54 5.00
1.67 5.67
1.82 6.00
2.00 6.67
2.23 7.67

Hence you can see, there are no diminishing returns. As APS goes up, ticks per second increase in linear proportion. By themselves, cyclone hits aren’t a huge generator of damage (Whirlwind inflicts more of the direct damage), but cyclone ticks are most of the ballgame in terms of generating the Fury that powers WW, plus the crits for LoH to keep you alive, plus the crits that have other big effects like extending WOTB duration. So stacking IAS/ASI pays big dividends until you reach whatever point you find gives you enough hits/crits from your cyclones, after which any further weapon speed stacking is gravy.

So you'll see that increasing the attack speed to the base speed of a weapon causes a linear increase to cyclone tick rates. So you can plan properly whether the 0.1 attack would allow you to gain ONE extra tick from the mini tornado. If none, then you are safe to plan that upgrade to a sword instead of a dagger.

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Added on September 1, 2012, 7:29 pmbtw present me, " Very easy dude high str 2500 above, high c.chance 60%above ,high c.dmg 500%around. if u have this level ofcos ur DPS 100k above.. u can kill like god dy... u must understand wht i means.... " is not easy. so don't go simply assuming everybody can just achieve that figure without spending a billion gold on it.

This post has been edited by Balaclava: Sep 1 2012, 07:29 PM

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/goat002...3/hero/18834427

if i change dagger, should have 70k dps.... after that not sure what to change already

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Added on September 1, 2012, 7:31 pmeasier if you all see the stats there then can comment

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Added on September 1, 2012, 7:32 pmi know some of the gear are crap, those didnt buy, self drop...waiting for good deal only then change...
right now dagger is priority only for dmg.....

so someone tell me really.... .sword up 12k dps or dagger up 9k dps

which would you choose?

This post has been edited by biatche: Sep 1 2012, 07:33 PM

[quote=Balaclava,Sep 1 2012, 08:28 PM]present me don't keep emphasize on the dps counter without realising the mechanics behind Whirlwind and Run like the wind. The main purpose of capitalising on the OH attack speed is to generate more hits within the mini cyclones to proc more critical hits in return. You can have a shitload of dps but what's the use when you burn more rage than you actually can generate? He's looking to improve by storming the map fast. That should all comes down to how much rage you can gain from the white mobs while merely relying on the sprint-created-cyclone. Arguably, you NEED a fast OH to squeeze as much hits as possible from 1 mini-cyclone without even utilizing Whirlwind. That way, you can chain your enemies and just run pass them till you actually see a Champion/Elite pack. 

So biatche, you should refer to this table:

APS__TPS
0.90    3.00
1.01    3.33
1.12    3.67
1.18    4.00
1.33    4.33
1.44    4.67
1.54    5.00
1.67    5.67
1.82    6.00
2.00    6.67
2.23    7.67

Hence you can see, there are no diminishing returns.  As APS goes up, ticks per second increase in linear proportion. By themselves, cyclone hits aren’t a huge generator of damage (Whirlwind inflicts more of the direct damage), but cyclone ticks are most of the ballgame in terms of generating the Fury that powers WW, plus the crits for LoH to keep you alive, plus the crits that have other big effects like extending WOTB duration.  So stacking IAS/ASI pays big dividends until you reach whatever point you find gives you enough hits/crits from your cyclones, after which any further weapon speed stacking is gravy.

So you'll see that increasing the attack speed to the base speed of a weapon causes a linear increase to cyclone tick rates. So you can plan properly whether the 0.1 attack would allow you to gain ONE extra tick from the mini tornado. If none, then you are safe to plan that upgrade to a sword instead of a dagger.

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Added on September 1, 2012, 7:29 pmbtw present me, " Very easy dude high str 2500 above, high c.chance 60%above ,high c.dmg 500%around. if u have this level ofcos ur DPS 100k above.. u can kill like god dy... u must understand wht i means....  " is not easy. so don't go simply assuming everybody can just achieve that figure without spending a billion gold on it.

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sory bro wht I said I was build no Atk spd at all go for ww build


Wht kind of possible monster for me facing go ww no no problem, just using my sprint as fast as can... depends player how position he kill ...

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Added on September 1, 2012, 8:08 pmBalaclava. Im a ww tornado build thks for understand wht was i said c.chance to show it is a basically state of barb only... I understand all u explained ...thks bro.... Im going for ww tornado especially I call rape elite, champ... lol

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Added on September 1, 2012, 8:27 pm is not easy. so don't go simply assuming everybody can just achieve that figure without spending a billion gold on it.

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Of cos I realize not easy is possible too.. biatcha said he wan( perfect )


pls notice this (perfect),perfect going to whole gear the higher state, bro do u think easy get perfect gear
.sacrifice.lol .. ofcos u need spend alot gold u had...

This post has been edited by present me: Sep 1 2012, 08:27 PM

barb gear is very expensive i need to tell you all that lol.

good chart, didnt notice that. that is probably the decider.

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Added on September 1, 2012, 9:09 pmgood though if someone here has the experience to tell whether a sword is sufficient in terms of TPS. numbers is just numbers

This post has been edited by biatche: Sep 1 2012, 09:09 PM

I honestly say yes is not cheap for ww tornado n higher DPS build ...depend u plyer wht u demand...

that's why we need reliable mathcraft to come out with the figures. Like I said biatche, refer to the graph to see whether your cyclone tick would be affected by the change in attack speed. If it doesn't go down by a tick or two, then go for the upgrade. If not, I'd recommend you stay till you got a better one.

Though I'd really love to have a sword upgrade and contemplating one myself since I was using a hybrid WW cookie cutter build.

i have something like 1400-1600 loh, forgot..

what got me wondering is lifesteal.... i wonder if it has any impact at all.
still cant figure out sword vs dagger. numbers are just numbers, someone needs to have the experience to say if a sword works

For ww build LoH 1500 just so so only not really comfortable for ww at the time u hit, i was try dy now mine LoH 1900 then i very can survive for ww when u hit...