Any perma Nova+DS Wizard player here? I'm using WW barb now and I don't have problem to farm act3 solo, just feel boring solo and thinking to team up good Nova+DS Wizard player, it should be more fun.
I want to ask one question about offhand for barb. For dual wield barb, does the offhand weapon contribute dps damage to WW and sprint tornado? Do I need to bother dps for offhand weapon when running dual wield/tornado barb?
Of course it will add up the STR or dmg to ur stat. Attack speed wise, it will take the fastest or lowest attack speed and + 15% (anyone can confirm this) eg: left hand 1.30 AS, right hand dagger 1.50 then actual attack speed will be 1.50 + 15% = 1.725
I'm not talking about those IAS bonus, I'm referring to the DPS on weapon alone.
Let say I have 2 weapons and both have 800dps respectively, and now I replace the offhand with 400dps weapon(don't bother with other stats, just focusing on weapon dps alone), does it effect the damage output for WW/sprint tornado? So far what I know is that if u play normal melee build, it does matter as u will use both weapons to hit, but for WW/sprint tornado I don't know it will work this way.
Of course it will be counted right.. If i understand ur question correctly.
But I saw someone mentioned that dps doesn't matter for offhand weapon, only focusing on other important stats such as loh, crit dmg, sockets etc, it works just like shield. That's why I'm confusing and need more clarifications b4 I buy any weapon replacement for my offhand.
true, u might not see the diff in dps, but it still affect ur stat ma.
Just ignore the stats plz, my question is all about the weapon damage on offhand, not about stats.
Maybe I should explain more about my gears and build. Right now my barb is dual wield, both weapons have about 800dps, 8xxloh and socket, I'm thinking to sell one and get an offhand replacement which has more crit dmg. Look around at GAH, there're some weapons that suit my need, but most of them have low dps(less than 400dps), that's why I want to know about how the dps works b4 buying any weapon.
Kripparrian explains it all, basically main hand damage more important (slow speed helps with that), stats less important, offhand speed and stats more important, damage less important.
QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Aug 2 2012, 06:05 PM)
exactly, there u go, answers
u can check out his guides and try it yourself, that dude is god of barbs imo lol
Indeed it works. I used to use higher attack speed weapon as my main, crit dmg for sprint nado won't exceed 10k per tick, and when I switch my main to slower AS and higher dmg weapon, crit dmg for sprint nado can reach over 10k per tick. Feel weird that can boost dps by just switching weapon lol.
QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Aug 2 2012, 12:08 PM)
Ok, see you tonight.
Can I join u guys tonite?
This post has been edited by HiT-AbLe: Aug 2 2012, 07:59 PM
Played with ALeUNe and JackLee at Act3 last nite, all played melee classes and ended up chasing range elites/champions like mad, sometimes chase until enrage lol. Seriously for co-op game we need at least one range class to deal with those range elites/champions with lame affixes.
If u have 1k AR and can't figure out why u can't stand at fire/arcane, plz check your armor, u need to have at least 6.5k(buffed) armor(70% damage reduction) then u are good to go.
I just figured out this not too long ago when I tried to upgrade my pant. My pant has 788 armor, but quite low AR and vit, ended up I bought a pant which's 60 AR and 180 vit but it only has 332 armor, str doesn't matter as both pants have the same str.
So I thought this's a good upgrade for my build, tried act 3 and for some reason I no longer can stand at those fire/arcane/ affixes, even with normal hit I also felt the pain, have to run around a lot(sprint) instead of WW. I switched the pant to the 788 armor pant, then I can stand at anything that throw at me again.
I've about 45k HP, 880 AR(buffed) and 6.7k armor, if I use my newly bought pant my AR will go beyond 900 AR but only have about 6k armor. For me AR is kinda overrated, not saying it's useless, but once u reach certain point of AR, it can't help your defense if your armor is low.
I know there's something wrong with it but I can't seem to know where.
Crit hit is the the main problem I guess, u need at least 30-40% crit hit in order to make WW works. Also your AR and str also quite low, not sure about act2 but one thing for sure is that u r not yet ready for act3.
Try to replace Berserker Rage to Superstition if u have problem with those affixes. Also your vit and armor are a bit low, u should look for defensive passive skill for more survival with sacrifice a bit of dps(crit hit passive).
means c.dmg is not tat important ah? if so, then ill try replace my amulet with loh on it..cuz trying hitting 1800 jz from weapon will gona cost a bomb....~.~
C.dmg is very important if u want to farm act3 more faster, but if u just want to finish the inferno and have no intention for farming, then c.dmg doesn't matter that much, it just takes a bit longer to kill things as long as your gears are capable for survival.
i want to farm in a3...probably wont proceed to a4 so soon, i jz wan to farm haha
It's not cheap to obtain a WW barb gear set that able to farm act3 fast and efficient, present me told me that he spent about 150mil for his WW barb and his gears are still not the best yet, he still has to sacrifice dps for survival. Up to u lol.
Pretty much everything that u need to know about WW build, also look for life steal instead of LoH if u want to build high dps barb, at least 60k dps unbuff.
what a long thread, so sprint dmg comes from mainhand so i dont need to care about offhand dmg at all, i could even use a 200 dps weapon, right?
but what about whirlwind? same case?
there any problem with a 200dps dagger? I mean, the damage isn't pretty on the character stats. heh.
Since ww uses damage from both hands, u should get an off hand weapon with at least 500-600 dps, so u still can do reasonable damage from your off hand while ww. Unless u don't have gold to buy(which's not the the case for u lol), there's no reason to get low dps off hand if u r capable to get higher dps one.
This dagger is good enough already, the only stat that this dagger lacks is crit damage that comes along with the dagger, not the socketed crit damage.
If u need to boost your dps, your main hand weapon damage must be high, prefer more than 1k. Next get str and crit damage as high as possible, str need over 2k and crit damage need 450% or more. Don't forget about crit hit, around 50% is good enough.
Aiyo, that's why I ask ma... I know WW double tornado build is freaking expensive. I just want a cost effective build. Suggest me!
NOTE: I never use majority of the skill, all I did from lvl 1-58 is whack whack whack. You know la, with dual 800dps +1200LoH can basically sweep the HELL. Haven't been to inferno with the barb, that is why I ask for recommendation.
WW DT build is expensive only apply to high dps, u can actually do a WW DT build with very cheap cost. This cheap WW DT build can give u survival, but it'll take age to kill things coz low dps, since there's no enrage timer anymore, so if u patient enough to WW whole day then u can finish the inferno eventually lol.