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post Jun 12 2012, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 12 2012, 11:29 AM)
wrong, wiz are intel based class, and they get pretty decent/high natural resists, which can be further boosted by buffs (monk's mantra, barbarian shout, just as we buff ourselves with) and skills/passives.

Also, they have force armor and diamond skin, and/or tele with illu or further dmg reduction.

lets just say, they can even potentially survive better than a full tank monk if you slap a shield on them. they only lack sustainability (healings) and an immune (serenity) to avoid heavy bursts/high streams of dmg.

that kinda changes if they have really insane dps + high regen + high life leech/LOH (refer the 120k dps archon vid on youtube)

and no, for full tanking monks playing coop, thats what you do: keep the boss stuck on your face trading blows. while your ally pew pew without the need to kite or move much (unless aoe)

obviously you have to move from heavy strikes (act 3 fallen champion mace swings, but rofl tracking swings so might as well just stand still and eat it or serenity) by just small simple sidesteps then move back into position or in belial case, his spam explosions in phase3 (i can only tank a maximum of 3 streaks sad.gif )
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1 thing i learn so far - earth ally make very good tank as for some reason, some elite will always what him (maybe cause i am on deadly reach marine shutter step mode lolx)
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 12 2012, 11:35 AM)
inferno belial cant kill my earth ally despite 4 person coop (pre-nerf)

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best of all, it is fcking spammable lolx...

my frens were all asking me is my summon immortal lolx (they didnt knw i jz resummon him when he is close to dying)
he can also block projectiles very very well (i am looking at u wasp)

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post Jun 14 2012, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 14 2012, 03:53 PM)
thats totally what im doin. lol
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its funny hw some of my frens asked me why am i holding a shield when i am a monk lolx...
i tell them i am a paladin just like in WOW...
note: they nt in inferno yet
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jun 14 2012, 04:06 PM)
better if the same i think.

2 weapons 1.40

wield = +15% so
1.40 x 1.15 = 1.61

but if one slower then ...

((1.20 + 1.50) / 2) x 1.15 = 1.5525
say mace / hammer + dagger

i think calculate like that.
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wrong...
it is alternate swings...

1.4MH, 1.6OH -> 1.4*1.15 followed by 1.6*1.15 then 1.4*1.15 again and continue
just open ur character stat screen while attacking and u will see what i mean
the same goes for ur damge as well...
tat's y at times single weapon + shield > dual wield if ur OH sucks
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jun 14 2012, 04:10 PM)
i think i m not a palamonk...

i have 1k fist weapon and all my skill are tune towards aggressive atk.

Left click = Deadly Reach - Foresight = +18% damage
Right click = Thunderclap = Mobs running away? No issue.
Breath of Heaven + Blazing Wrath = +15% damage
Serenity + Accession = 4 seconds God-mode
Blinding flash + Faith in Light = +30% damage
Mantra of Conviction + Overawe = +48% damage (i spam this)

So, the longer I fight, the higher is my damage. I have Transcendence so I can spam Overawe which also heal me. My HP just 21k, it heals quite good.

With some AS, I really enjoy playing with this build. Still die some times, but kill fast.
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this change in inferno act3 onwards
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(waklu @ Jun 14 2012, 04:14 PM)
So can if i have different attack speed for MH and OF, it would be better to use the highest ASPD weapon and equip a shield? Will this resulted in higher DPS per sec comparing to DW (not the same ASPD weapon) ?
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for example
MH = 600 dps
OH = 500 dps
so dual wield = (600*1.15 + 500*1.15) / 2 since u alternate (so if u use a big skill when it is OH's turn to swing, u lose damage)
single wield + shield = 600 dps

^ this is simplified...

basically if the gap in damage/ dps between ur MH and OH is too big, jz use MH + shield
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:21 PM

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note: all of ur damage depend on the weapon damage (ie xxx-yyy damage) and not the DPS... tat is why some weapon with higher dps is not as good as lower dps but high end damage weapons... this doesnt really apply to monk but applies a lot to WD and DH (especially the crit build one)
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Jun 14 2012, 04:22 PM)
agree. forced to use more defensive build in higher ACT. that's why I stop till i get better item (and patch 1.03). if my monk is not awesome, i refused to proceed. smile.gif

this build is super exciting because many times, even low health (left 5% HP), use Serenity, 4 seconds of free atk, build back Spirit, spam Overawe, build back HP, many times, if I dont chicken out, I can wipe Elites.

just my way of playing
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i use a overawe build as well for farming act1 and act2...
basically it revolve around going in -> burst like mad -> run out liek a boss waiting for CDs if ur hp is low...
act3 is much harder for the type of mobs...

QUOTE(waklu @ Jun 14 2012, 04:23 PM)
My MH and OH difference in dps is quite marginal, its just both of them don't have the same ASPD. Then I'll just stick with DW first biggrin.gif

Thanks bro
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NP, in my case i use a MF+GF shield lolx


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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 14 2012, 04:25 PM)
no need consider bro.

just petition blizzard to give shield bash and magic hammer and you're set.
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Jun 14 2012, 04:29 PM)
if my mh and oh are same attack speed, and damage is around 20+ difference only, dw or find a shiled will be wiser?
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DW if u want damage, shield if u wanna surive or if u got awesome MF + GF on ur shield =)
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Jun 14 2012, 04:30 PM)
* trying not to be stared...

by the way, may i know what's the different between the attack per second???

dagger have base attack speed like 1.50
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fist weapon only have 1.40

* arr... must focus... fuuuu....

should i sacrificed my ally for FoT with Quickening rune?
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for the same dps weapon, the faster atk speed would give u less damage as ur top end damage is lower but you get more life on hit/ spirit regen
so it owuld depend on ur build...

if u want to have nice burst, go for 2H with high dps but very slow atk (thus higher top end damage)...
if u wanna survive, then u go for higher atk speed...

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 14 2012, 04:29 PM)
already in game, just nerfed/ghetto version

also you guys should try out the burst 7SS build with a over 1k dps 2hander. i got this almost 1.3k dps 2hander, and oh god the dmg when i 7SS XD
and then there comes shielding/invuln  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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tried it, ./rage when i meet invulnerable elites lolx
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Jun 14 2012, 04:36 PM)
i always lack of spirit to spam MoC for healing...

with 11k dps, 36k hp, 500+ all resis, 5.1k armor...

inferno act 2 really really really... err...

*excuse me, can u stop gazing me...

really easy feeding chicken... sad.gif
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i dun have trandensence in my build at all...
all my healing come from life on hit lolx...
spirit is to spam the dodge mantra only >.<
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Jun 14 2012, 04:42 PM)
i see, i don have LoH on my weapon, so i go for higher AS right???
thanks...
i think i only have 1.93 AS... i have a atk spd ring but my other stat will drop like hp, resistance, dex (seize bring armor)...

act 2 elite mobs see me as food... sad.gif
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depends on ur chocie i guess...
if u lack spirit then higher at speed = more spirit...
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post Jun 14 2012, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jun 14 2012, 04:46 PM)
back to the attack problem. say I have a 2h 1k dps daibo @1.1 speed vs two 1h fist 500dps with 1.5 speed. which had the more advantage?
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damage wise the daibo
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post Jun 14 2012, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jun 14 2012, 04:59 PM)
but but... 2 dagger will have more room for value-added properties like life on hit, and so on right? what about 1h + shield? shall we opt for slower but more powerful mace/sword or keep the attack as fast as possible?
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for me the optimum life on hit build is 2atk per second and around 600-1.8k life on hit...
tat is on 1H with shield...
shield is good for the block and extra stats
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post Jun 15 2012, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 15 2012, 01:07 PM)
its a polearm lol, no stats only dmg. got it to see some burst dmg fun. crits are over 100k per strike on 7ss LOL!
if 7 kena crit, its either 1mil dmg (sustained strikes) or 700k dmg.

but yea 5% crit chance, fat chance.
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of all the 2H, polearm is the best for me due to the consistent damage as opposed to daibo and staff
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post Jun 15 2012, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Jun 15 2012, 04:31 PM)
Does it apply in Inferno? 1800life per hit per sec inferno not enuf. consider that those elite one hit you your hp half gone. we are talking about 20-40k hp ya know?  unsure.gif
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i am doing great with only 500 LoH lolx...
the key is having enuff mitigation and also proper positioning (deadly reach linear style)...
500 LoH hitting 10 mobs = 5k life per ht and if u atk 2 times a sec, that is 10k heal per second...
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post Jun 15 2012, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(cyruz13 @ Jun 15 2012, 07:57 PM)
hmm.gif  hmm.gif is this true???
did you try to open up the health display on your game play and check?

mine seems like didt health that much....  hmm.gif
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it does, the amount heal varies based on the skill which u use btw =)
i see the heals numbr coming up and thus i know hw much i am healing
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post Jun 18 2012, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(Hou_JaI @ Jun 18 2012, 01:51 PM)
27k HP can tank in act 2 inferno ? LOL'ed ... 1 hit from those f***ing mob already 20k gone ...

end of the month faster come la !!! waiting for patch 1.0.3 leh ...
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why not when u have mitigation, so far the highest hit i get from a mob is only 12k damage...
if u are taking 20k, u are lacking mitigation and thus should invest more in it...

not to mention when u know to position, kite and abuse earth ally spams =)
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post Jun 18 2012, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Jun 18 2012, 02:25 PM)
Is it possible to build a decent tank monk on a small budget (like 6m)?

I have seen Barbarian 1M challenge do well in Act 3 unsure.gif
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yup, the items are kinda cheap now...
bought a decent stat helm of command for only 200k and a 28% block shield for 450k last nite...
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post Jun 18 2012, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 18 2012, 06:10 PM)
wah you so power patient with the game. looks like you don't mind repeating the thing again and again.

how many level 60 char already now?
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i moved on to hardcore modes for my alts lolx...
much more fun and something to kill time waiting for my processing >.<


Added on June 18, 2012, 7:12 pm
QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 18 2012, 04:08 PM)
it is very possible. so long you have over 1k dps weapons, and maybe 1.6-2k dex, his stats are possible to put act 2 on farm smile.gif


Added on June 18, 2012, 4:11 pm

my first experience on act 2 after butcher:



Added on June 18, 2012, 4:13 pm

can look up mine/flix/evo posts for build samples. rest = lol gear


Added on June 18, 2012, 4:19 pmguys, im farming inferno butcher with 23k dps + 200-300 resists, 1644 dex, 5k armor, 21k hp lol.
i dont think you need absurd stats to farm him so long you know how to time/position correctly. my farming runs are a little slow due to lack of dps, but it still clocks 40mins-1hour. (imprisoned angel quest > leoric manor waypoint, get 5NV > warden > butcher)

ps: enchantress is <3
shes at 3.5k dps now lol. (2k int and 850dps weapon)

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o yea my build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk...;XZV!cccYba


Added on June 18, 2012, 4:21 pm

easier cuz per player no longer contributes 15% additional dmg. only 115% additional hp (just dps harder)
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the enchantress charm is just ♥

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