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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!

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post May 19 2012, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(rushmode @ May 19 2012, 03:01 PM)
Rafa and FSG will not work especially with DoF above him. He should stay away for now. Lets hope he come back one day.. but not now.

This this made me sad when remember alot of fans discredit him in his last season with us. He was the one started to revealed the true faces of H&G and led to the massive uprising from fans. Now only those fans realize to be consistently be in CL every year is not easy. He made LFC big in europe again. 2 final in 3 years and winning one is not easy feat.
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Ayre already mentioned there wont be DOF anymore. The job is split into more roles.
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post May 20 2012, 01:43 AM

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Anyone read this?

Liverpool: Forget Martinez & AVB, Deschamps Is The Man For The Job
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-spor...an-for-the-job/
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post May 20 2012, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(amirbashah @ May 20 2012, 01:50 AM)
Deschamps is also a good choice in my opinion.
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 20 2012, 01:51 AM)
nice piece of story, didnt know he is so capable until i read this, but up until now no news linking him to liverpool except for the possible replacement list
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Also worth to take note, everytime he quit is because disagreement with board. Sounds very bossy.... tongue.gif Reminds me of Rafa....
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post May 20 2012, 02:51 AM

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It's frustrating to see that not much people giving credit to Rafa when he was the one winning us the CL trophy.

True that Houllier came out and claimed that most of the CL winning members were his signings. I do not deny that but I am very disappointed each and everytime when some of us claimed Rafa only won the CL trophy with Houllier signing. Then, they went on pointing out his flops signings, in the name of Josemi, Krompkamp and few others.

While I respect Houllier , I beg to differ and refused to agree to his claim BLINDLY.

Few points I wish to highlight:

1. Most of Houllier's signings are average players:
The likes of Biscan, Traore, Smicer... the list goes on...I hardly call those QUALITY players. Traore in particular, is probably one of the worst defender I ever seen. Poor positioning and low work rate. I still amazed by the fact that he can stayed in the team until 2006.

Thus, when rafa managed to utilize the squad given to him, which is average, credit should be given to him, no?
In addition to that, it is also worth noticing that that year, Carra was moved to center which bring out the best of him. Players like Garcia, Alonso also played a big part in helping the team to reach final. Something which certain group of fans still do not give credit to.

2. Once is lucky, twice is real ability
Under Rafa, we went to CL final twice under Rafa. The second time we went there, the team was hardly anymore of GH's signings, eh? I hardly call it lucky. The fact that we managed to even kick Barcelona in their own ground said much of the brilliant tactical side of Rafa. Again, no one gives any credits.

So, why is it Rafa did not get the credit he is due for?


Added on May 20, 2012, 2:53 am
QUOTE(hfi @ May 20 2012, 02:45 AM)
I've said it before, forget about Barca. Dortmund is the team we should look closely.

Young, driven and cheap. Aside from a couple familiar talents like Subotic and Hummels, i bet most of us can't even begin to pronounce the names of the other players.

They spent on average 5mil euro on a player. Kagawa cost them 350k euro. Players coming from far inferior leagues but end up winning Bundesliga twice in row. 

On top of that, they play good football. Not to mention their style of football is a lot more compatible to the English league than the Spaniards.
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Reminds me of good signings like Hyypia.... Little money but quality players...

Tim Cahill is another one....

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 20 2012, 02:59 AM)
Like I said I give Rafa credit for what he managed to achieve and I did say the rant wasn't exactly why we failed in the end and it wasn't entirely Rafa's fault we failed. The BUT here is what could have happened had he not indirectly forced the irreplaceable Alonso out of the club for Barry, strengthen even more during the off season and finally get the holy grail? And in my opinion, pressing =/= attacking football, we resort to pressing because of our overall incompetence in passing and close control that leads to losing the ball often but yes this is only my personal opinion and is subjected to debate so this isn't exactly the point I was trying to make, it was the Barry for Alonso incident. Well Rafa had his chance, so maybe someone else?

Yes Kenny was viewed only as a short term solution to stabilize the club, but it is understandable why FSG wants a change following 100mil spent and 8th place finish where Everton who spent much less finished above us. Important point here is Kenny wasn't FSG's first choice and will never be given time to perform.
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Now that's confusing. KD was offered 3 years contract and 100m+ to spend. Unless the yanks are damn rich, or else, what's the point of giving 3 years contract and 100m+ to a person who is only here for short term?
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QUOTE(madfag @ May 20 2012, 05:59 PM)
yeah we do expect alot from Torres, but regardless, look at the Chelsea fans, we cheer him on every time he warms up, even after 1.5 years without making much of an impact. yet almost half you decides to continue to belittle him because he decided to leave.
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I have to say I m not one of those who booed him over. I still like him as a player and appreciated what he did to the club but I strongly disagree with your stand, especially the bold part. It's understandable why some of us here continue to belittle him or to certain extent hate him for what he did. You should have look from our prospective, not your own....

The case of Torres and Owen is pretty similar only that the latter left for free transfer and he made it worse when he snubbed us for Newcastle just because for more $.

Torres left us when we needed him most. I m not surprised if some of us here still hates him for that reason. I for one do not hate him for that....Players come, players go... I have seen Mascherano left, Alonso left....Torres leaving is expected. What i hope is, instead of bashing my mates, why not try to look from their prospective. It's easy to put words into other people mouth claiming them this and that. Experience what they experienced and you might just do the same. Tell me you wont feel the same if Lampard/Terry leave Chelsea for ManU or Arsenal...
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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ May 21 2012, 07:14 PM)
Somebody correctly pointed out to me about this.

if you look at the list of managers that have been confirmed approached,

Matinez (unconfirmed)
Rodgers (rejected FSG)
AVB (approached)
De Boer (rejected FSG)

their play styles are about the same, which favours tactics fluidity and high tempo. They are also Spanish / Barca related, with exception of AVB being an Iberian.

Hence this person said that our DoF is highly possible, could be Txiki (Barca's own DoF) but hasn't been revealed yet.
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How did Rodgets is spanish/barca related? shocking.gif
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Ajax boss snubbed us as well.... years ago, this job is top job....Now, everyone rejects it... Plus with the yanks' patience level, who would want the job? LOL. Wont be surprised if we promote from internal at the end of the day.
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 22 2012, 02:00 AM)
then why instead of blamin rafa for sale of alonso why not blame the owner? in those 6 years in charge if i remember correctly rafa never sell any of his main 11 players. and each of his signing raises in value. and how most of the player he signed is basically unknown until rafa made them who they were today.
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Although I support Rafa like you did, I have to disagree on this part. Alonso, Torres and Reina weren't nobody. Alonso was back then the captain of Sociedad, Torres was captain of A.Madrid. Reina was one of the most promising keeper in La Liga. They are not unknown. Mascherano, albeit did not play well in West Ham, was well known in europe. Riera was Espanyol player of the season before we bought him. The list goes on... Though I must give credit to Rafa for getting them here and make the best out of them. Brilliant.
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You guys speak as if he want the job. Give him a break. He might just snubbed us like the rest... That would be a sucker punch. lol
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 22 2012, 02:10 PM)
It's just that before Valencia appointed Pallegrino, they said they approached AVB but he apparently had taken another job. That job was thought to be Roma and news in Portugal confirmed it as much. But now Roma have appointed Montella, so the plot thickens.
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I was referring to Martin O Neil actually... lol
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 22 2012, 02:55 PM)
hahaha that was funny.
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Seriously, what was the point of bashing someone who is not coming to us at all? Plus, I rate him quite highly actually...So... haha...
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 22 2012, 03:16 PM)
Really sols ? I've no comment about Martin because my opinion of him is the less said about him the better haha.
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My bad... I confused you. I was referring to those bashing him. Meant no offense... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ May 22 2012, 04:47 PM)
Nice avatar  rclxms.gif  Really do feel feel for Rovers, once upon a time winner of the PL, consistently participates in the UEFA/Europa Cup, decent mid table team, now relegated by a bunch of headless chicken owners and incompetent manager. Just sad...

Back to Liverpool, FSG seem to be doing it the corporate way where applications are put in and selected managers come in for interview instead of hand-picking one, sure hope this works.

Big Sam for Liverpool? Wonder how Rafa will feel about that... laugh.gif
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No way. I dont wanna see Skrtel playing as Striker upfront...like he did to Samba... Crazy!
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Maxi Rodriguez was Liverpool's most accurate passer during the 2011-12 Barclays Premier League season, according to Opta stats.

This season Liverpoolfc.tv signed a deal with Opta that means we can bring you the kind of in-depth statistics that no other club website in English football can offer.

And over the next few weeks we'll be revealing some fascinating figures to help you understand who did what in 2011-12.

We start with passing accuracy, where, among those who made more than 10 appearances, Maxi came out on top with an impressive 90.6 per cent of his 394 passes finding their target.

Here is the top five:

1. Maxi Rodriguez - 90.6 per cent from 394 passes
2. Craig Bellamy - 88.6 per cent from 586 passes
3. Jay Spearing - 86 per cent from 828 passes
4. Lucas Leiva - 85.6 per cent from 687 passes
5. Stewart Downing - 85.4 per cent from 1,245 passes
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Following a successful three-year partnership with Maxxis Tyres, Liverpool FC has extended its deal with the global tyre manufacturer until 2015.


SOS: Official LFC TV
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On anoter note,

"Phil Dowd, one of England’s top referees, is facing a sudden fight to save his career after it emerged on Tuesday night that he has failed a fitness test to continue next season."


Another top referee gone after Walton? Oh god.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 23 2012, 10:33 AM)
He failed a fitness test at the age of 49.
He ought to go.
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Come on...Dont like that... He get the nod for Wembley final the first time...He must be celebrating like mad...ate too much...then carrol goal line decision, he got it right again....So, celebrate again, ate too much again... So....It's understandable.... sad.gif Gonna miss him if he miss next season.... We already lack good referees after walton departure then now Dowd? Come on, I dont wanna see more of Kevin Friend next season... or Webb doh.gif
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QUOTE(madmoz @ May 23 2012, 10:40 AM)
There have been plenty of negatives said about Kenny’s big money signings – Caroll, Adam, Henderson, Downing.

Did we overpay for their services? Yes.
Did they underperform? Most definitely.
But are they useful players to have in the squad? Also most definitely imho.

None of them are muppets... but Adam does look a bit pudgy laugh.gif
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Which makes one wonder isn't that supposedly become his advantage when it comes to strength? I mean, I saw Yaya toure bossed the midfield like some mafia, 2-3 person fought him for the ball and he stood still not falling...

Adam, on the other hand, fall automatically near penalty box. I know what he is trying to do there but ultimately I think he learnt that from his sifu, Maxi. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 23 2012, 10:49 AM)
Believe in no media reports.
We just wait for the next appointment of manager.
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Wont be surprised if the manager is someone not even in media reports' shortlist. Hahaha

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