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post May 19 2012, 11:24 PM

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Andre Villas-Boas awaiting call from Liverpool which could bring chance to prove Chelsea wrong

By Jason Burt

7:30AM BST 18 May 2012

From the man everyone wanted a year ago, having swept the board at Porto with dynamic attacking play, the 34 year-old was ridiculed as incompetent and out of his depth when he was brutally sacked by Chelsea in March.

At that time, Villas-Boas was minded to wash his hands of the Premier League and rebuild his career elsewhere. He may still do that. Roma wanted him last year and are looking to come calling again with coach Luis Enrique quitting. The Italian club’s sporting director, Franco Baldini, was in the United States on Thursday talking to the club’s owner, Thomas DiBenedetto, to discuss plans and he is a known admirer of Villas-Boas.

The feeling is mutual. Indeed Villas-Boas had suggested, during negotiations over his move to Chelsea, that the club should hire Baldini as the director of football. Certainly the former England general manager would have quickly improved the atmosphere at Stamford Bridge and provided a conduit between the dugout, the boardroom and owner Roman Abramovich. But that did not happen.

Instead, according to sources, Villas-Boas was left feeling bruised and let down by the whole experience at Chelsea where he was handed the impossible job of rebuilding the squad, changing the style of play and still winning trophies. And he was asked to do this on his own, without his own backroom staff and with debatable support from the club’s hierarchy, including Michael Emenalo who, predictably, became the director of football instead of Baldini.

Failure at Chelsea has only redoubled Villas-Boas’s determination to prove some people wrong; to try to come back and challenge for trophies and, of course, take on the club who sacked him having persuaded him to join them ahead of Bayern Munich, Juventus and Inter Milan who were all, also, willing to pay the €15million (£12million) to release him from his contract at Porto.

Sources close to Villas-Boas say he will now wait for the right opportunity to come along. He is busily preparing himself for that having travelled, on his own initiative, to Brazil last weekend to scout players and also drawing up plans to be at the Euro 2012 finals in Poland and Ukraine to watch potential signings. That might all change if he gets a job sooner. The right opportunity may have just presented itself at Liverpool with the departure of Kenny Dalglish.

The club spent Thursday deciding which managers on their shortlist they would approach first and the call has, of course, now gone out to Wigan Athletic’s Roberto Martínez. But the Fenway Sports Group will be speaking to more than one candidate and Villas-Boas, back in Portugal, is awaiting the call and would be intrigued by the possibility of talking to Liverpool.

FSG also needs to remember why it came so close to approaching Villas-Boas when he was at Porto and why he topped the list of candidates then. The Americans may feel that the young Portuguese is now ‘damaged goods’, or may not be accepted by Liverpool supporters because of his experiences at Chelsea, but that would be far too short-sighted.

It may be that Villas-Boas has to convince Liverpool that gossip over his poor man-management style is just that because he would appear to possess all the other qualities to make a successful manager at a club that certainly appeals to him. Like his former mentor, Jose Mourinho, Villas-Boas knows the importance and heritage and size of Liverpool as one of the world’s biggest and most iconic clubs.

He also spoke warmly, when he was at Chelsea, of the Liverpool supporters and the fervent atmosphere in the city that engulfs the club — in the way that is hard to replicate in the sprawling metropolis of London.

There is another thought for FSG – look at the magnificent job Alan Pardew has done at Newcastle United after being sacked by Southampton. A good manager is a good manager and if Villas-Boas does go to Roma it will be the Premier League’s loss.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...lsea-wrong.html


looks like AVB love us...that reason alone got my vote! rclxms.gif
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post May 20 2012, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(PPZ @ May 19 2012, 11:46 PM)
He didnt go to Roma right? I heard that Roma hired somebody already?
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nope...Roma hired Vicenzo Montella if im not mistaken..their former player
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ May 20 2012, 10:38 AM)
Tactically genius? Setting up your team to defend from the start until end?

Chelsea should thank their lucky stars although Bayern's offence were not that clinical yesterday, they pretty much dominated the opposition throughout the entire match.

The moment Drogba equalized, it was all over for them. (That was a superb header btw). One chance, one goal. Sometimes it is all it takes to win a game.

Have to admit feeling bitter that the Russkies won it. Nobody can deny now that money INDEED will buy you sucess.
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plus boring as hell!!...no Di Matteo please!! shakehead.gif


Added on May 20, 2012, 8:02 pm
QUOTE(raf93 @ May 20 2012, 05:53 PM)
you butthurt because chelsea got the UCL trophy instead liverpool?
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1st time got UCL arrogant already


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post May 21 2012, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(all blacks @ May 21 2012, 12:32 AM)
Torres to quit Blue....  whistling.gif

Torres was an unused substitute in Chelsea's FA Cup final win over Liverpool, and he was only introduced in the Champions League final after Bayern Munich took the lead with seven minutes remaining. The £50 million man's introduction at the Allianz Arena coincided with a Chelsea revival, which saw them win the trophy on penalties.

The Spaniard looked frustrated at being left on the bench for one of the biggest games of his career, admitting later that he "expected to start", and now the former Liverpool striker will look for first-team assurances before deciding if it is "worth it" for him to stay at Chelsea.

"It's contradictory because I feel like I'm at a peak moment in my career, with more desire and hunger than I've felt in a long time, but I've had to spend the final on the bench," Torres was quoted as saying by guillembalague.com. "It was a huge disappointment when I saw the line-up, perhaps the biggest in my life.

"This season I have felt things that I never had before. I've felt like they treated me in a way that I didn't expect, not in the way that was spoken of when they signed me.

"We've had a lot of talks and we'll talk about my future because the role I've had this season is not for me, nor is it the one I expected to play when I came here. I'm not comfortable.

"I want them to tell me what is going to happen in the future. Football has been fair on us, on me. Now, I do feel like football is worth it, but I've been through a difficult time. The worst in my career. I don't want that again.

"There's been many times when I've felt lost - I wasn't sure what to do. I felt like I didn't know where I belonged. I'm eternally grateful to my family, who have been by my side, and also for the support of the owners, who have stuck by me, and especially to the fans - if it hadn't been for them this season I would have given up.

"I need the club to tell me what is going to happen and what sort of role I will have within the team, what my duties are, what the club expects of me - and then judge whether it is worth it."

Torres had appeared to be unhappy ahead of the penalty shootout against Bayern and he revealed: "I wanted to take a penalty but they didn't let me."

Source: Soccernet

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absolutely...try loan him from chelsea!!

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 21 2012, 02:11 PM)
Van de boer rejects LFC saying he is loyal to ajax.

At this rate we might have to go back to rafa sad.gif
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de boer also rejected barca offer..no need to panic

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 21 2012, 07:26 PM)
How did Rodgets is spanish/barca related? shocking.gif
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coz rogers from what i read went to spain to study football..u can see the spanish influence when the swans played nod.gif




and one more thing,Ajax boss also rejected offer from Barca to replace Pep..so no surprise there cool2.gif
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post May 22 2012, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(cksoon @ May 22 2012, 12:46 PM)
SO, if we brace it... that AVB is coming, how would you guys think? Actually, I've a personal preference, why not martin o neill? tongue.gif
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Martin O'neill??..I'd rather we have Houllier..same style of play and boring as hell! shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 22 2012, 07:16 PM)
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...fc-barca-future

Very good interview and exactly how I feel when I mentioned the Barca philosophy and all.

Digger makes alot of very good points and I whole heartedly agree with him.

"You have constant change and if you have constant change, there's no continuity and no stability."


Both the club and the supporters are going to need to be patient while things develop - because if it was an easy quick fix, everyone would be doing it, wouldn't they?

Barnes:
There needs to be a lot of patience - both in the boardrooms and in the stands. How long will it take? It will take a long time but it won't take as long as Liverpool fans have been waiting to see the team win the Premier League. So, yes it could take a long time to develop it and start reaping the benefits from it but maybe if a system was put in place 20 years ago, we wouldn't still be waiting to win our first title since 1990. If we keep changing the manager, the players or the system every one, two, three or four years, we could be waiting another 20 years to win the title too.
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the best part for me when he talks bout barca philosophy...where world class player not necessarily suitable to the philosophy & he takes Seydou Keita as an example..I think right now liverpool try to emulate that but it will take years to see the result
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QUOTE(ftptwistedclown @ May 23 2012, 08:42 AM)
Van Gaal's work with Ajax and Barcelona undoubtedly appeals to Liverpool's owners as they conduct an overhaul at Anfield and look to imprint a playing philosophy throughout every level of the club. That strengthens his claims for the proposed sporting director role, although Van Gaal has not yet called time on his managerial career and was linked with PSV Eindhoven before their recent appointment of d*** Advocaat

the playing philosophy..this what was done in barca & ajax..players from youth to first team playing similar system philosophy..one thing i'm worried bout Van Gaal,he's not the most friendly..his style might offended several people sweat.gif
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 23 2012, 09:30 AM)
Why d*** Advocaat?  Thats a name!  biggrin.gif
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its a lucah word it seems

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QUOTE(PPZ @ May 23 2012, 09:35 AM)
i thought he is the manager now? can become sport director without managing? correct me if i am wrong.
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he's jobless rite now...last job as a manager is with Bayern..joined ajax after that but kicked out coz of court decision brought by his no 1 enemy, Johan Cruyff
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ May 24 2012, 09:22 AM)
Villas-Boas out of contention as Liverpool have second thoughts
The prospect of Rafael Benitez returning is remote, despite a fans' online campaign
As it seems,
Brendan Rodgers who rejected as not interested in beauty parade (kicks out AVB from list) vs Roberto Martinez
odds are more to Martinez, and then whoever next..
...and we could see the news in the next few days
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if its between rodgers & martinez..i prefer rodgers..but whoever it is,they will have my 100% backing!
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QUOTE(vcj1992 @ May 24 2012, 04:10 PM)
http://www.koptalk.co.uk/201204214418/Live...rt-downing.html

" Reports today claim that Liverpool boss Kenny Dalglish turned down the opportunity to sign Juan Mata in favour of Stewart Downing purely because he was British.
*Sources close to former Reds director of football Damien Comolli claim that the Frenchman was frustrated at Dalglish's insistence on chasing British players rather than foreign imports that can often be more cost effective.
One report today claims: 'Comolli feels that the American owners and manager Kenny Dalglish pushed him towards a transfer policy of targeting young British players even though he advised them that there was more value for money abroad.
'For example, Comolli is believed to have been extremely interested in signing Juan Mata last summer from Valencia and received encouragement from the Spaniard's representatives. Dalglish was not so keen and the Reds instead signed an expensive compromise in Stewart Downing from Aston Villa for £20 million.'
During that transfer window, KOPTALK continually maintained that Mata was up for a move to Anfield and that his father had met and spoken with the Reds on several occasions. Juan Mata Senior - who is also the player's agent - had commented how his son was in awe of Liverpool's history and status as one of the biggest clubs in Europe. Despite big-money offers from other clubs, we believe Liverpool had a real chance of signing the player, which is why we were adamant about our chances.
* When reports say 'sources close to..', this is often actually the person at the centre of such reports who is commenting off-the-record. In this case for example, this could be Comolli himself, although there is nothing to suggest that is the case."
Seems like Mata was keen on joining us as well. Of course these are just rumours and we can't 100% believe it but if it's true, We missed a big player, one that is MUCH better than Downing. He could have been the star for us. Anyway, I hope this is not true.  doh.gif
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i stopped reading kraptalk longggg ago..unreliable! shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ May 24 2012, 09:40 PM)
dun mind them sing at Anfield...superbowl style

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superb!!!...should invite them to our pre-season tour in north america rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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I expect the DOF will be announce first and after that the manager..if all goes to plan maybe by end of next week we will see our new manager
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QUOTE(nando @ May 25 2012, 08:40 AM)
The reasons against MArtinez will be his very low percentage of wins in BPL (less than 30% if not mistaken) and Wigan were always struggling under him (i don't see hiring a manager that are able to do work miracles for 6-8 games and able to just avoid relegation on final days as step forward for Liverpool)......

but since it looks to be him, might as well lend our support...

Okay, the `comforting' thoughts will be Wigan plays pretty football and he might do better with bigger budget, better players. 

LEts discuss how good is he at buying.  If he does reasonably well in the transfer market (good eye for players, talents), then we might expect him to buy well and strengthen our club...

After all, one of the main accusations against Kenny was his signings of players..

I am afraid I am not familiar with Wigan's players....anyone here can point out some really good signings?
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and one more disturbing thing..he's considered a 'veteran' EPL manager..but still his club juz barely survived the relegation..compare that to newly promoted clubs like norwich & swansea..and it becomes much much more baffling why he is being considered rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(nando @ May 25 2012, 09:17 AM)
I really hope Henry knows what he is doing....coming from a man who relies on facts , figures and statistics, lets hope  they won't screw this one big time!
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what he must do now...interview Brendan Rodgers for fark sake! shakehead.gif


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/ma...rs-swansea-city

Brendan Rodgers: Spain have been a great model for me over many years

Swansea's young manager is about to complete an impressive first Premier League season and he is heading to join Vincente del Bosque's Euro 2012 training camp for four days

Stuart James

It is 9am on Wednesday at Glamorgan Health and Racquets club and the cafe is a busy place to be. Fitness fanatics are strutting in and out, a few toddlers are testing the patience of their mothers and those a little longer in the tooth are sipping coffee while flicking through the papers. It is not a particularly unusual scene, apart from the fact that on one table, seemingly oblivious to everything going on around him, a Premier League manager is holding the morning meeting with his backroom staff.

Brendan Rodgers, whose Swansea City side have been such a revelation in the Premier League this season, must feel as if he works in a goldfish bowl. Without a training ground of their own, Swansea make do with what is effectively an upmarket leisure centre, where the public mingle with the players in an environment that feels a million miles from the state-of-the-art facilities and acres of land most Premier League managers take for granted.

Not that Rodgers seems fazed. The only request the Northern Irishman made when he took charge a couple of years ago was to have his own office, which is not much bigger than a broom cupboard and located in a corridor that everyone walks past to get to and from the changing rooms. "This was a physiotherapy room," Rodgers says from behind his desk. "When I came here there was no office. But I needed some sort of privacy. It's not what Arsène Wenger or Mr. Ferguson has but, listen, it's raw and it allows me to work."

Rodgers loves to work, especially on the training field, which has been his "natural environment" ever since he took up coaching at Reading in his early 20s. This week he invited the Guardian to spend a morning with him to talk tactics and to see the training sessions that have helped to produce a Swansea team who have made more passes this season than any other Premier League club. It is a remarkable statistic, although what is often overlooked is how hard Swansea work without the ball. Their pressing game, where they close people down in zones and at speed, is fundamental to the way they play.

"I like teams to control and dominate the ball, so the players are hungry for the ball," Rodgers says. "You'll see in some of our exercises this morning, a lot of our work is around the transition and getting the ball back very quickly. Because I believe if you give a bad player time, he can play. If you give a good player time, he can kill you. So our emphasis is based around our positioning both with and without the ball. And for us, when we press well, we pass well."

Winning the ball back quickly and high up the pitch was a key feature of Barcelona's approach under Pep Guardiola and, as Rodgers explains, is much more sophisticated than it may appear. "You cannot go on your own," he says. "You work on zonal pressure, so that when it is in your zone, you have the capacity to press. That ability to press immediately, within five or six seconds to get the ball, is important. But you also have to understand when you can't and what the triggers are then to go for it again because you can't run about like a madman.

"It's decision-making and intelligence. And this was always the thing with the British player, they were always deemed never to be intelligent, not to have good decision-making skills but could fight like hell for the ball. I believe they have all of the [attributes] and, if you can structure that, then you can have real, effective results."

Swansea are living proof. They go into the final game of the season, at home against Liverpool on Sunday with a chance of finishing in the top 10. Whatever happens, though, it has been a remarkable campaign. They have not only won matches but won them in style, including memorable victories against Arsenal and Manchester City. There was also the goalless draw at Anfield in November, when Swansea were applauded off the pitch by Liverpool fans.

"That was really touching because that is such an historic ground," Rodgers says. "But I suppose in terms of performance the highlight has to be beating what could be the champions, Man City. To actually dominate the game as well — we controlled possession, kept passing and kept the confidence and then, eventually, we were able to get the breakthrough. So in terms of where they're at and where we're at it was a defining moment."

It is close to 10.30am and Rodgers is looking at his watch, the cue to dash to the training pitch, which is artificial and belongs to the Llandarcy Academy of Sport and Learning. The grass pitches that Swansea used earlier in the season were dug up and relaid a couple of months ago, leaving them with little option but to train on an all-weather surface. Not that the facilities appear to have any effect on the standard of a training session that is fascinating to watch.

At one stage nine players are working in small teams of three in an area that seems so confined that it is difficult to believe they will be able to run around freely, let alone pass to a team-mate without an opponent intercepting. Yet they manage to do so time and again, often taking no more than one touch before quickly moving to create an angle to receive the next ball. All the while those without the ball are snapping at their heels, pressing with the sort of intensity that Rodgers demands in matches. It is, in short, easy to see why they are so good at keeping and retrieving the ball.

"When I first came in I said to the players, we will push ourselves in every element of training, so it's reflective of the real game, so I don't have to go on about intensity all the time because that is an obligation," says Rodgers, who closely watches training all of the time. "This morning's session is based around football strength, small-space work, lots of options on the ball and covering the principles of our game, which are possession, transition, pass-think, pass-think, pass-think and the core ingredient of hard work."

It goes without saying that Rodgers would like better facilities but the players seem to buy into the idea that Swansea are offering something more valuable than plush locker rooms and rows of immaculate training pitches. "There is only a certain type of player that will come here, a player that is hungry and a player that wants to develop his talent," says Rodgers. "You get the raw materials here in this moment but they're arguably the most important materials, which are time and quality on the training field."

They also get to perform for a manager who has a clear philosophy on how his team should play. Rodgers talks about four phases that underpin Swansea's approach when they have the ball. "There is the building and constructing from behind, the preparation through midfield, the creativity to arrive in the areas and then the taking of the goals. These are all areas that we have to continually improve on but that is the basis of our game and it doesn't change."

One of the few criticisms levelled at Swansea this season is that they often keep the ball in their own half or in areas where they are not hurting the opposition, although that argument is flawed in several respects. Rodgers points out that, while the primary reason for possession will always be to penetrate, the simple fact is that, while Swansea have the ball, the opposition are unable to score. He also says that by "recycling" the ball for long periods his team are able to recover. "The only time we rest is when we have the ball," the 39-year-old says. "When we haven't got the ball is the moment for intense pressure to get the ball back. But you can't go for 90 minutes, so in order to recuperate and conserve energy, we'll do that sometimes by building our way through the game — our tiki-taka football, our small lending games to keep the ball.

"When we're stuck in the game, we go back to our default system, which is possession."

Always open to fresh ideas, Rodgers has been exploring an alternative system, which he tested in the 4-4 draw against Wolves last month, when Swansea changed from 4-3-3 to 3-4-3. He also hopes to have a few more tricks up his sleeve after spending four days with Spain at their Euro 2012 training camp in Austria later this month, as a guest of their manager, Vicente del Bosque. "Spain have been a great model for me over many years, so I always take the chance where I can to travel and understand new methods," Rodgers says.

Before then, however, Swansea aim to finish off their season in style. Rodgers, back in his office after training, points to four words scribbled on a whiteboard. "Our motto was that there, Per Ardua Ad Astra, which means through adversity to the stars. Because this is what we're in, a real adverse situation," he says. "So this weekend is about celebrating success. For us to stay at this level, for the players, my staff, the club and the supporters, it is an incredible achievement."

What's in a day: Swansea's training routine

10am, Warm-up The players begin their warm-up on the tennis courts in the fitness centre, where they do some core work. Then they have agility work and relay races on the training pitch

10.45am, Keep-ball The players are split into two groups and those on the outside, who are allowed only one touch, try to keep the ball off the two in the middle

11am, Six v three Remaining in two groups of nine, the players are split into three teams of three within each group. In a confined area, 10 yards by five yards, each team of three takes it in turns to try and get the ball off the other six players with the aim of scoring in the small goal sat either end

11.15am, Twelve v six The players move to a bigger area, 40 yards by 30 yards, and this time it is six versus six in the middle, with full-size goals and goalkeepers at either end. The other six players are located on the outside and are on the side of the team that has the ball, effectively making it 12 v six

11.45am, Shooting Midfielders and forwards stay behind for a shooting session

Midday, Finish The sessions are 25 minutes shorter than normal at this stage of the season
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 25 2012, 04:50 PM)
WHELAN: MARTINEZ MIGHT SNUB REDS

Wigan chairman Dave Whelan insists there is no sure-fire guarantee Roberto Martinez would take the Liverpool manager's job should it be offered to him.

The Latics chief revealed on Thursday the Spaniard had taken a break from a family holiday in the Caribbean to meet top executives from Fenway Sports Group in Miami.

Martinez has always been one of the front-runners to succeed Kenny Dalglish, partly because of his chairman's habit of speaking so openly about developments.

There are still other candidates to consider as FSG were hopeful of drawing up a shortlist of up to five people to interview next week.

But even if Martinez is offered the job Whelan believes the new structure being implemented at Anfield, with a yet-to-be-appointed technical director overseeing general football matters, would not be appealing to the 38-year-old.

"A little bit will have to do with the attitude of the owners because I don't think they fully understand the game of football in England," he told Sky Sports.

"Roberto likes total control, from the youngsters at 16 to the first team.

"If he doesn't get that I don't think he will take the job."


Whelan added on ESPN: "My information is that the new Liverpool manager will not be given full responsibility of the football department.

"The set-up on the football side goes well beyond the norm even with a director of football.

"There will be somebody else signing players and they might not necessarily be the choice of the manager.


"My advice to Roberto is to think very carefully about this, but Liverpool are a big club and I hope that they remain one of the big clubs.

"I've asked Roberto to make his mind up as soon as possible. If we have to lose him I will move very quickly to appoint a successor as I have ideas.

"Hopefully he will stay with us but we will wait and see.

"He has not said anything to me yet about what he plans to do but I have told him what I think about it, of course I have.

"I have told him it doesn't feel right what is happening at Liverpool, but its for him to make his own mind up.

"If it's yes to Liverpool I will accept it and get on with life. But if it's no I'll be delighted.

"I hope he will stay but I told him I need an answer in the next seven days."

Whelan expects to be fully compensated should Martinez turn out to be Liverpool's choice.

"He signed an extension to his contract so Liverpool would have to buy out his contract," he added.

"You are into £2million to £3million minimum. Whatever the contract is worth I am sure Liverpool would honour that and buy it out."
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thank god for that!!..now move on to other candidate please..waste of time only shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ May 25 2012, 05:12 PM)
We have to give martinez a chance or else YNWA will just be a slogan.
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all liv fans will give him chance when the time comes..but in the mean time there's nothing wrong to show our displeasure..its like Roy Hodgson all over again shakehead.gif
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Liverpool will talk to Swansea manager Brendan Rodgers about the vacancy left by Kenny Dalglish's sacking
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Brendan Rodgers is expected to meet Liverpool’s owners in the next few days as they continue their search for Kenny Dalglish’s replacement.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...hs-sacking.html

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