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 Peugeot 408......, Launching Soon ? Now with pics... :D

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cybermaster98
post Sep 18 2012, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(GenY@MY @ Sep 16 2012, 07:49 PM)
Just a quick update, I tested my 408 NA on PLUS highway, max speed 190 kph, quite stable at 150 to 170 kph.
Power is good I'd say. My car's mileage is reaching 3k, It's 4 speed adaptive gearbox seems to be adjusting to the my driving style, the gear transmission feels smooth.
What's your RPM at 110kmph?
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post Sep 18 2012, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(GenY@MY @ Sep 12 2012, 10:23 PM)
The last time the fuel warning light of my pug came on, I top up around 53 litres.

Full tank is 60 liters. The difference which is the reserve (60 - 53)  = 7 litres, which is according to the manual.

I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that your car's reserve tank is 2 L, my understanding is that the fuel reserve is the actual amount of fuel left in the tank when the fuel warning light comes on, which can be derived by subtracting the amount of fuel top up with 60L(full tank). I stand corrected though.
For your info, in most cars the maximum tank capacity stated is not really the actual maximum u can fill. The reason for this is because the fuel sensor is located slightly below the top of the tank which usually means u can fill up more than the stated amount. Ive seen this in many cars e.g Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, Merc, etc. So if the manual states 60L, im quite sure u can easily fill 65L or so. In the Kia Optima K5 for instance, the fuel tank capacity is stated as 70L but you can easily fill 77-78L with the maximum (tested) being 82L. Toyota Vios tank capacity is 42L but ive filled up to 47L before but almost empty.

I dont know if Peugeot's version of the reserve is different from others but my understanding of reserve would be a separate holding section and not really the fuel left in the main tank. If that was the case then all cars would have reserves.
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post Sep 18 2012, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(jfcheong @ Sep 12 2012, 09:52 PM)
Ya, been quite famous that pushing a brand new car that dead in the middle of the road to petrol station.
The FC of my 408 is considered high, around 9.7l/100km with complex of high way and city drive. Still unable to hit 8.6l/100km as per claimed by Peugeot.
Oh, Ya. Wanna ask, do u guys engage in N gear while waiting for traffic light? I heard that sliding the car with N gear will damage the gear box, is it true?
The best way to calculate fuel consumption is by the fill, drive, fill again, measure method. Dont use the average FC readings as a benchmark. But dont worry too much about fuel consumption readings. FC is determined more often by your own driving style than any manufacturer settings. Quite often, ppl think that they are driving economically but they arent in actual fact.

As for the gearbox, please be reminded that modern day gearboxed undergo severe testing by the manufacturer. Its tested for high revs constantly for many hours. So all these stories about shifting into N while stationary or in motion being damaging to the gearbox are still mostly stories handed down from mouth to mouth. If a gearbox can be damaged by a simple motion of shifting to N, do u really think it would have passed the manufacturer's stringent testing? I used to always shift to N during traffic light stops. I even used to shift when driving downhill. My car lasted 9.5 years and gear shifts were still smooth till i sold the car.

Same goes for that story about driving fast constantly being bad for the gearbox. Many of these 'i heard' stories are usually untrue. The same with the story about using Ron97 for a Ron95 certified car will improve fuel consumption and clean the engine.

Most important for the gearbox is the ATF. Watch that and ull be fine.
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post Sep 18 2012, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(GenY@MY @ Sep 18 2012, 11:17 AM)
Here's the pic of my 408NA's speedometer at 190kph along PLUS highway a few days ago.
No issues in terms of stability but my balls did shrink a bit.

It's been a while since I did something crazy like this....pls do not compromise your safety in similar fashion.
I wouldn't attempt this a second time.
Dont forget that your 2.0L model doesnt come with ESP. Any emergency at that speed will render your car uncontrollable. Not worth the risk in my opinion. But doesnt mean you should speed with ESP either.
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QUOTE(Bearheart @ Sep 18 2012, 12:20 PM)
Thanks for the tips. Should ATF be changed every 20k or 40k km?
No hard and fast rule. Just follow your manufacturer's recommendation as that will affect the vehicle warranty.
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post Sep 20 2012, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(sleepy @ Sep 19 2012, 09:45 PM)
ESP wont help at higher speeds. Last week I was travelling to work on MEX. Then comes this black Lancer and black Forte racing racing among each other. I reckon they're going not too fast, probably 150kmh? The Lancer end up crashing when it skid on the last corner before the cyberjaya toll. Similar case happens in Lebuh pantai timur, silver Lancer going 200kmh, lost control and crashed. Driver died on the spot.

Btw, seems like the 408 is popular here. Long list of owners unlike the 508, which only has a handful of owners sad.gif
What i meant was the risk of someone losing control increases as the speed increases. Yes incidents can also happen at low speed. ESP works at all speeds and if ure in an emergency situation, the ESP will help but the reason why u still see cases of cars going out of control despite having ESP is simply because ESP has its limitations and will not navigate for u. You still need to control and manuever the car and if u dont do it the correct way then ure still gonna crash.

But making a general statement that ESP wont work at higher speeds is totally incorrect. Btw, does the Lancer come with ESP? I dont think so.
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QUOTE(AHY20 @ Sep 19 2012, 09:18 PM)
My love letter from somebody....
Its a common understanding that you should not speed from 8am-6pm. Not a fixed rule but in general. Take this from someone who has covered about 270,000km on the NSE since 2005, constantly drives at about 160kmph and got his last speeding summons in 2005. biggrin.gif


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post Sep 20 2012, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(sleepy @ Sep 20 2012, 10:41 AM)
If not mistaken Lancer ada ESC/ESP. Let me go home and check my Lancer EX tonight for that ESP button. Anyway, I didnt say ESP wont work at high speed, I say it wont help much because at speeds like 200kmh, its already way over the parameter that it's designed for.
The faster u go reduces the chances of any of the safety features working effectively. Same goes for seatbelts. But ESP will work regardless of speed. Just dont expect its effectiveness to be good. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Sep 20 2012, 09:50 AM)
You're the speed trap sifu la.....hehehe! When you are speed trapped,do you know it instantly,or onlly when the love letter arrives?
If u see the guy then u know immediately but if not it will come up on MYEG or PDRM summons website (which i check weekly). Failing which, wait for the summons to come.

Im not a sifu or anything. Its just that i take great care to time my travels. If its between 8am-6pm i always keep to just below 120kmph as the traps start at 121kmph. Hope its still the same. But ive sometimes seen traps done at night especially near the Taiping exits.
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QUOTE(Kanasai79 @ Sep 21 2012, 10:13 AM)
I have yet to test drive Elantra but went to show room to see the car. Tested Focus last weekend and few rounds of test drive in 408T and 408NA previously. Posted in forum but seems like the people are comparing Ford Focus with Elantra (out of topic  rclxub.gif )
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2513574

So far here is what I feel (my own opinion):

Pro and Cons (408)
- Nice front feline design
- spacious for rear passenger
- rear air con blower
- Auto-cruise control
- Comfy and nice door rest for long distance cruising
- 17" rims inclusive of spare tyre/rim

- Major service 60K pricy and complaints about after sales service
- Rear light design slightly out (my opinion only  biggrin.gif )
- Car player so so - with amber display
- standard gear

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Pro and Cons (Titanium)
- Powerful TI VCT engine with dual clutch auto
- Torque vectoring and ESP
- Push start button
- Fuel saving Technology - EcoMode and Active Grille
- 5 years warranty with 3 years maintenance free

- Feel more narrow and limited space inside
- Design acceptable but not stunning (my opinion only  biggrin.gif )
- 16" rims with metal spare rim
- No rear air con blower

The likes and dislikes are almost the same for both cars, which makes it more difficult for me to decide
doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
Maybe best to wait for the new 2013 Forte K3?
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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Sep 21 2012, 10:50 AM)
Koreans are closing the gaps on Conti's fast. I was very impressed by the K5. If not for the harsh engine on acceleration, K5 would be parked in my drive way. A few years from now, they'll be the ones to watch! Their cars are proving to be very reliable too. It's very likely my next ride will a Korean!
What car did u buy then?
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QUOTE(jfcheong @ Sep 21 2012, 11:07 AM)
Obviously 408T
So he chose the 408T over the K5 because of the engine sound? shocking.gif


Added on September 21, 2012, 12:11 pm
QUOTE(Bearheart @ Sep 21 2012, 11:32 AM)
What I like about 408T is the powerful acceleration, easy handling, tight turning radius, roomy in front, at the back and in the boot, rear air-con, speed control, and really meaty feeling. Plus it looks good, in my opinion. Hehe.

What I don't like, but can't help it because of the itchy foot, is high fuel consumption (just filled up twice) :-P.

Service centre is just opposite my office, and the service advisor is really friendly. So no problem there for me.

I can't comment about Focus cos I don't know the car. Free maintenance for three years is very attractive, though. Hehe.

Hope that helps.
I strongly suggest u take a good test drive in the new Focus Sedan. Try to get the Titanium + version. Power wise dont really compare as its not a turbo but try and get a feel of the ride & handling.

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Sep 21 2012, 01:35 PM)
It's not the sound. Prince 1.6 turbo is much more refined,smooth and powerful. Torque is simply addictive! 408t handling is another level. Elector- hyd steering is much more precise,again at another level. 6spd tranny is silky smooth! Upon hard acceleration,power delivery is effortless,smooth and progressive, it does not struggle with an uncomfortable roar like the Theta 11. For these reasons!
Yes now ure clear and yes i agree with you on most of your comments above. Except on power. U cant really compare a turbo with a NA engine. Of course the turbo will easily smoke the K5. I tested the Peugeot 508 a number of times and yes its quite powerful & refined. The K5 also has a 2.0L turbo version which gives out 274Hp & 365Nm torque but sadly its not available here.

Now sure how refined the Peugeot 2.0L engine is in comparison with the K5 but on paper, the K5 engine churns out 19HP more albeit with 2Nm torque less. But funny that the 408 2.0L 0-100kmph sprint takes 12.5secs while the K5 does it in 10.9 secs. Both factory tested of course.

I think Peugeot should have included the ESP as standard across the main models instead of ommiting it from the 408 2.0L model. Same with the additional side and curtain airbags. But i guess ommitting them allowed the price to be kept at RM 109,888 OTR.
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QUOTE(KLTEOH @ Sep 21 2012, 03:59 PM)
today go to refuel..the fc slightly get improve.. 19cen/km. driving condition still same but i using "M" mode most of the time. rev at 2k rpm when changing to next gear.. but at highway still put hard cause really cant "tahan" the power and the handling. haha thumbup.gif
Bro, first of all please use L/100km for FC discussions not currency. makes it easier for future comparisons.

Secondly, driving style has the biggest influence on FC. Many factors affect FC e.g road gradients, head winds, speed, acceleration, braking, traffic, tyre inflation, car loading, engine condition, usage of on board electrical equipment, etc. So even though u may think the driving conditions are the same but in actual fact its quite impossible to replicate exactly the same conditions.
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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Sep 21 2012, 04:28 PM)
That's why I said my next ride may be Korean! They are certainly the dark horse to watch!  thumbup.gif
Yes they are really improving. If u can wait for the 2014 models, u might be able to taste the world's first 10 speed gearbox on Hyundai cars. drool.gif

But if u want something current, then go for the upcoming Kia K9 with 8 speed gearbox and many other top class features. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(kejusan @ Sep 21 2012, 05:10 PM)
That's why I find Ford Focus Titanium quite tempting especially on the safety features. If only 408NA came with ESP, I probably wouldn't even consider to test drive the FF. Specwise, the only downside on FF Titanium is no cruise control. I find the cruise control very helpful during long distance travel. Eventhough I haven't test drive the FF, with all the features on FF Titanium (apart from the cruise control), I believe it should be worth the value. Not that I'm not happy with my ride, but like they say 'the grass is always greener on the other side', or so it seems  tongue.gif
Then go for the Titanium Plus.

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Sep 22 2012, 10:22 AM)
Nah.....I've already made my choice and am very happy with it. It took me 5 months,testing and evaluating different models,both D & C segment. I had a look at the FF in OZ. In a way am glad the TDCI is discontinued in Malaysia. It would have been a dilemma  for me to choose between the FF TDCI and 408t. Finally decided on the 408t. 

Another point is service and product support. Peugeot is making tremendous improvements in this aspect. As product confidence grows,so will the product. This will lead to more independent specialist into the business. In the end a better deal for owners to get proper maintenance.

I'm so very satisfied with my Pug,it's in for the long run, I mean a very log run! For the money it is the best deal,and brings a lot to the table. At the moment,it is years ahead in technology with competitors. No doubt there will be higher tech cars in the years to come,but at what price! Right now on sedans, what is there to match the 408t in price vs spec?
Forte 2.0L? drool.gif
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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Sep 22 2012, 11:13 AM)
No match,harsh & slow engine! No match in handling!No match in precise steering with excellent feedback!
Yes la. Engine can't match for sure la. NA engine cant compare with a Turbo. But specs, interior space and exterior design wise, the Forte 2.0L is quite a match for a 29K cheaper price tag.

With the 408T priced at 125,888, i would top up 18K and go for the Optima. But that's just me i guess.

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Sep 22 2012, 09:46 AM)
The K9 won't be cheap I bet. It really has to be something very special if they expect the Malaysia public to pay over 170k or more for a Korean car. Definitely not going to be a volume pusher.
The K9 is a 3.8L V6 GDI with 334HP & 395Nm torque. Has a length of 5090mm and wheelbase of 3045mm. Plus comes fully laden with features like 8 speed gearbox using shift by wire tech, Lane Departure Warning, Blind Spot Detection, Surround View with 4 cameras, Adaptive smart cruise control, advanced vehicle safety management system, adaptive LED headlights, 12.3 inch LCD display and 17 speaker Lexicon Harman sound system. It surely wont be less than 220K.

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Sep 23 2012, 09:40 PM)
Copied this camera locations:

### PLUS Arah Utara
■Under a bridge at about 456km, Sg Buloh junction.
■Under a bridge at about 459km, Bukit Lanjan interchange.
■Under the overhead restaurant at Sg Buloh.
■Under the last bridge before Sg Besi toll at 309.2km.
■Under the bridge at 296.5km, Bangi junction.
■Under the newly constructed bridge at 289.0km, after Nilai North junction.
■Under the bridge at 286.5km, Nilai North junction.

### PLUS Arah Selatan
■Below signboard at about 454.6km and 455.2km, Sg Buloh layby.
■Under the bridge after Subang junction at 11.3km.
■Under the bridge at 22km, Bukit Lanjan junction.
■Under the bridge before Mint hotel, Sg Besi Toll. 80km/h only!
■Under the bridge at 302.8km, Kajang junction.
■About 1km south of Bangi junction, both south and north bound outer lanes
■At 296.5km and 297km, Bangi junction.
■Under the newly constructed bridge at 289.0km, before Nilai North junction.
■At 285.5km and 285.8km, Nilai North junction.
■On center divider at 251.8km and 253km after Senawang junction.
■After Alor Gajah junction at 213.9km, next to water theme park.
■Behind the right hand crash barrier at 198.4km.

### Lebuhraya Elite Hubungan Timur Tengah/Utara
■On left hand side at 4.8km after Batu Tiga/Shah Alam exit
■Under the overhead restaurant at USJ/Hicom junction about 8.5km. 90km/h zone!
■Below the bridge before USJ/Hicom junction at 10.5km.

### Lebuhraya Elite Hubungan Barat Tengah/Selatan
■Under the overhead restaurant at USJ/Hicom junction about 8.5km. 90km/h zone!
■Below the bridge before USJ/Hicom junction at 10.5km.
■After exit from KLIA toll to the airport, below Jalan Pekeliling flyover.90km/h

### NKVE Arah Timur/Utara
■300m before Jalan Duta toll, 60km/h!
■Behind crash barrier on the left when going towards Jalan Duta toll, at 24.9km, 80km/h!
■Below bridge at Damansara Junction, 17.5km

### NKVE Arah Barat/Selatan
■Behind crash barrier on the left when leaving Jalan Duta toll from KL, at 25.3km and 25.7km, 80km/h!
■From Jln Duta, below the bridge, 23km, 80km/h zone!
■From Jln Duta, at the underpass at Sg Buloh Y-junction, 22km.
■Behind crash barrier at Damansara Junction, 17.7km and 16.8km
■Below railway bridge at 11.2km
■Under the bridge at Shah Alam junction.

### Lebuhraya Kesas Timur
■Under the bridge at 44.8km, downhill run after Puchong junction.
■Kesas West Bound
■At Sg Besi side of East Bound Toll. Kuala LumpurCity
■Jalan Duta; below the flyover at the Damansara junction, 70km/h zone.
Lebuhraya Kesa – Klang
■Dual carriageway between Klang and Port Klang. Towards Klang direction, at about 13km mile stone. 70km/h only!

### Leburaya Pantai Timur
■East bound, downhill run after Raub junction.
■Maran, 60km/h zone.
■Paya Bungor, 70km/h zone.

### Kawasan Negeri Johor Arah Selatan
■Tangkak junction.
■Under the bridge after Yong Peng
■North junction at 97.3km.
■Ayer Hitam junction.
■Sedenak junction.

### Jalanraya Sekitar Utara Malaysia – Arah Utara
■Around Ayer Hitam in 60km/h zone.
■Before Perwaja Steel.
■Sg Petani junction.
■Between Seberang Jaya junction and Sg Dua Toll.
■Penang Bridge at island end.Speed limit 80km/h.

### Jalanraya Sekitar Utara Malaysia – Arah Selatan
■Penang Bridge Island end. Speed limit 80km/h.
■About 2km before Juru Toll Speed limit 90km/h.

### Kawasan Perak Jalanraya Arah Utara
■Under the bridge at 197.1km and 198.8km, afterKamunting Junction.
■Under the bridge at 204.3km, after KamuntingJunction.
■Under the bridge at 208km, before Kamunting Junction.
■Under the bridge at 214.8km, before Kamuntingjunction.
■Ipoh Vista Point at about 263km. Speed limit 80km/h.
■Under the bridge at 271km, Ipoh North Junction.
■Under the bridge at 274.4km, Ipoh South Junction.
■Under the bridge at 286.9km, Simpang Pulai Junction.
■Under the bridge at 296km, Gopeng Junction.
■Under the bridge at 352.6km, after Sungkai Junction.
■Under the bridge at 353km, Sungkai Junction.
■Under the bridge at 373km, Slim River Junction.

### Kawasan Perak Arah Selatan
■Under the bridge at 199km, before Kamunting junction.
■Under the bridge at 241.9km, at Kalau Kangsarjunction.
■Under the sign post at 296.1km, before GopengJunction.
■Under the bridge at 297km, at Gopeng Junction.
■Under the bridge at 300km, after Gopeng junction.
■Under the bridge at 308.6km, after Gopeng junction.
■Under the bridge at 372.6km, at SlimRiverjunction
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I cant seem to understand why people still keep posting this list. This list has been circulating in emails for the past 10 years i think. Its totally crap. These are just possible locations where the police might wait with a speed gun and everybody knows to watch out for the underpasses.

So can we please stop posting this list? Its really tiring to see this same email being circulated before every festive season every damn year.
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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Sep 24 2012, 09:12 AM)
There's a lot of us who have no knowledge of this list. If you think it's crap,give us the latest. Put up or shut up!
If ure not sure of the source then why post it up? Dont post crap unless ure sure of something. 80% of email forwards are crap nonsence. Dont be a part of that chain.

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