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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Carling Cup Winner,FA Cup Runner Up 2012

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post Apr 24 2012, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 24 2012, 12:36 PM)
Carroll is not the actual problem per se. He's a symptom of a problem. What i'm not happy with is the fact that we once felt we were robbing Newcastle of their star player. It seems nothing can be further from the truth. Newcastle is doing fine without him. So it begs the question, did we do Newcastle a favor by paying that kind of money for him ? Because they look stronger after they bought bunch of new players with the money we paid for him. If I was the owner, i'd be furious.
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Its difficult to say. I do believe it was a panic buy (a little) and the amount we paid was a little bit on a high side. But at the end of the day, its about returns and to the eyes of the owner, probably returns in terms of goals and also investment. Rafa used to say, we sometimes need to pay more for good players, but its still a good buy, if they produce the goods.

At that time, we had our hopes and for many positive-thinking fans, the issue was `why not'? We have Suarez to feed him. Downing and Adams are coming to supply the crosses. Enrique and Johnson will add in extra supplies. He's a good target man and will put those chances away. Its Keegan Toshack all over again, some fans were even saying. So majority of the fans were hopeful, and some of the basis for these hopes were not unreasonable.

Sadly, on both accounts, AC has failed (so far). He didn't deliver enough goals for us and selling him off will be disastrous, in terms of return of investment. He is not the actual problem and neither am I blaming him as the sole reason for the troubles we're in so far. I was merely pointing to the fact that getting more goals from AC will mean a lot for the club right now. Its nothing perhaps for Van PErsie to score another 5 goals...but any goals from AC in our remaining matches will help to end the season with a little bit more positivity.
And in a season like this, I'll take any ounce of positivity that's available....

Newcastle? Ashley bowed to the pressure of the fans and re-used money from AC's sale to buy new players. Luckily for them, Pardew bought correctly. It could have gone sour too.

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its also helpful to remember that FSG are american. Henry admit he knows nothing about football before this. From this perspective, FSG deem LFC as a business investment. Every cents spend should show ROI. So far in the 2 years FSG own LFC, we have not repaid the investment.
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QUOTE(demio121 @ Apr 24 2012, 01:04 PM)
its also helpful to remember that FSG are american.  Henry admit he knows nothing about football before this.  From this perspective, FSG deem LFC as a business investment.    Every cents spend should show ROI.  So far in the 2 years FSG own LFC, we have not repaid the investment.
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yeah, be it Henry or GH, its all about money. However, its probably easier for Henry to find a buyer if he wants to sell than those 2 yanks. (trying to think positive). Although based on what i see so far, I won't mind Henry being a little bit more patient and give the club more time and with it, the much needed stability.

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QUOTE(demio121 @ Apr 24 2012, 01:04 PM)
its also helpful to remember that FSG are american.  Henry admit he knows nothing about football before this.  From this perspective, FSG deem LFC as a business investment.    Every cents spend should show ROI.  So far in the 2 years FSG own LFC, we have not repaid the investment.
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of cos they deem LFC as a business investment.
was damn obvious already when the owners skipped the first wembley date since 1989 between lfc and everton...to go watch the boston red sox first home game of the season...
as if there wont be another season for them to watch the red sox...
as if the first home game which is any normal game is more important than the wembley date...
probably will be another 20yrs before we see lfc vs everton again in wembley...
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post Apr 24 2012, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(nando @ Apr 24 2012, 12:53 PM)
Its difficult to say.  I do believe it was a panic buy (a little) and the amount we paid was a little bit on a high side.  But at the end of the day, its about returns and to the eyes of the owner, probably returns in terms of goals and also investment.  Rafa used to say, we sometimes need to pay more for good players, but its still a good buy, if they produce the goods.

At that time, we had our hopes and for many positive-thinking fans, the issue was `why not'? We have Suarez to feed him.  Downing and Adams are coming to supply the crosses.  Enrique and Johnson will add in extra supplies.  He's a good target man and will put those chances away.  Its Keegan Toshack all over again, some fans were even saying. So majority of the fans were hopeful, and some of the basis for these hopes were not unreasonable.

Sadly, on both accounts, AC has failed (so far).  He didn't deliver enough goals for us and selling him off will be disastrous, in terms of return of investment.  He is not the actual problem and neither am I blaming him as the sole reason for the troubles we're in so far.  I was merely pointing to the fact that getting more goals from AC will mean a lot for the club right now.  Its nothing perhaps for Van PErsie to score another 5 goals...but any goals from AC in our remaining matches will help to end the season with a little bit more positivity.
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I suppose you're right. It did look like a good prospect at the time. I actually thought he was a robust kind of player back then and was excited at the thought of him being unstoppable in the air. Until lately, that was just a wishful thinking as i watched this colossal of a man starts tripping over his own footings and not as dominating in the air as i thought he'd be. He has improved lately so maybe there's still hope for him.

But again i reiterate, Newcastle took the opportunity to rebuild and rebuild they did. Chelsea came and took Torres and Meireles from us, and we failed to recover. Somehow this picture doesn't look right at all. How is it one club can end up being 4th and the other remained almost stagnant.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 24 2012, 01:14 PM)
of cos they deem LFC as a business investment.
was damn obvious already when the owners skipped the first wembley date since 1989 between lfc and everton...to go watch the boston red sox first home game of the season...
as if there wont be another season for them to watch the red sox...
as if the first home game which is any normal game is more important than the wembley date...
probably will be another 20yrs before we see lfc vs everton again in wembley...
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errr..to be fair, i read somewhere that the Boston game had another important element tied to it....some kind of celebration or something like that..which means a lot to Red Sox...

after all, I am sure he's still a bigger base ball fan than footie...cant blame him for that...
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QUOTE(nando @ Apr 24 2012, 01:17 PM)
errr..to be fair, i read somewhere that the Boston game had another important element tied to it....some kind of celebration or something like that..which means a lot to Red Sox...

after all, I am sure he's still a bigger base ball fan than footie...cant blame him for that...
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i dont really see anything of real significance, except perhaps for 2012 being the 100th yr the stadium has been open...
granted it was the first home game, something that is in very high demand...but there will always be another season...another home game...

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QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 24 2012, 01:16 PM)
I suppose you're right. It did look like a good prospect at the time. I actually thought he was a robust kind of player back then and was excited at the thought of him being unstoppable in the air. Until lately, that was just a wishful thinking as i watched this colossal of a man starts tripping over his own footings and not as dominating in the air as i thought he'd be. He has improved lately so maybe there's still hope for him.

But again i reiterate, Newcastle took the opportunity to rebuild and rebuild they did. Chelsea came and took Torres and Meireles from us, and we failed to recover. Somehow this picture doesn't look right at all. How is it one club can end up being 4th and the other remained almost stagnant.
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at the risk of being chided for bringing up the same old thing, i think its our failure to convert those chances.....It has been a strange season....unbelievably freaking strange! haha!

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regardless...with everton fighting for that amazing 4-4 draw...it seems like they want it even more to finish on top of LFC...
and everton have arguably much easier fixtures coming up tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 24 2012, 01:21 PM)
i dont really see anything of real significance, except perhaps for 2012 being the 100th yr the stadium has been open...
granted it was the first home game, something that is in very high demand...but there will always be another season...another home game...
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I think its a matter of give and take. Especially having owners from across the Atlantic. The sight of RA at almost every matches, staring coldly whenever Chelsea don't get the results or don't play beautifully can be a problem too.


Added on April 24, 2012, 1:27 pm
QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 24 2012, 01:24 PM)
regardless...with everton fighting for that amazing 4-4 draw...it seems like they want it even more to finish on top of LFC...
and everton have arguably much easier fixtures coming up tongue.gif
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tongue.gif tongue.gif ok..confession time...hands up those among us who celebrated that 4th Everton goal.... tongue.gif


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QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 24 2012, 01:16 PM)
I suppose you're right. It did look like a good prospect at the time. I actually thought he was a robust kind of player back then and was excited at the thought of him being unstoppable in the air. Until lately, that was just a wishful thinking as i watched this colossal of a man starts tripping over his own footings and not as dominating in the air as i thought he'd be. He has improved lately so maybe there's still hope for him.

But again i reiterate, Newcastle took the opportunity to rebuild and rebuild they did. Chelsea came and took Torres and Meireles from us, and we failed to recover. Somehow this picture doesn't look right at all. How is it one club can end up being 4th and the other remained almost stagnant.
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Unfortunately for us, our strikers could not score and Newcastles were scoring freely.

Its all about goals....lookie at Spurs for eg. At the beginning, they were scoring freely as well with Adebayor et al.
Suddenly goal drought appears, and they are slowly sliding down.

i am encouraged by the type of footie that our players can play.

Its just the finishing that needs to be sussed out.

IMO that we need some goal getting midfeilders when Maxi and Kyut ships out.
There are hardly any goals in Adam, Henderson, Downing, Jonjo, Spearing and Lucas.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 24 2012, 01:21 PM)
i dont really see anything of real significance, except perhaps for 2012 being the 100th yr the stadium has been open...
granted it was the first home game, something that is in very high demand...but there will always be another season...another home game...
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Well put it this way Eve, lets say if Moore was successful and he bought over another sport establishment, how would we feel if he decides to miss our first opening game ? The yanks will always be yanks and baseball has been their source of aspiration and passion for sports.
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QUOTE(hfi @ Apr 24 2012, 01:31 PM)
Well put it this way Eve, lets say if Moore was successful and he bought over another sport establishment, how would we feel if he decides to miss our first opening game ? The yanks will always be yanks and baseball has been their source of aspiration and passion for sports.
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well, yanks or not.
owners should know when to prioritize.
its like a parent who always prefers his first kid, and even when his 2nd kid gets all straight A's...he still overlooks for the first.
yea, thats kinda extreme... tongue.gif


Added on April 24, 2012, 1:40 pmof cos this 2nd kid isnt exactly getting straight As...more like a pat on the back every once every few months while getting bullied almost every day in the playgrounds.


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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 24 2012, 01:37 PM)
well, yanks or not.
owners should know when to prioritize.
its like a parent who always prefers his first kid, and even when his 2nd kid gets all straight A's...he still overlooks for the first.
yea, thats kinda extreme... tongue.gif
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Only because the 2nd kid is anak tiri hahaha.
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what ever it comes this summer stop buying another 20 year old talent.. we already have a bunch of talent from reserve.. just buy player who can straight to the first team indeed
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QUOTE(skeleton202 @ Apr 24 2012, 02:10 PM)
what ever it comes this summer stop buying another 20 year old talent.. we already have a bunch of talent from reserve.. just buy player who can straight to the first team indeed
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can buy but not at 20mil. god forbid, one good season and we swoop in to buy for the future at a premium.

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Very interesting read, not related to the RAWK

Five minutes Fergie time

With 20 minutes or so to go at Old Trafford, and Manchester United 4-2 up, Fergie afforded himself a luxury - a joke with the fourth official he usually spends all game trying to provoke to a nervous breakdown. But at the full-time whistle, even after five minutes special Fergie time, the Glaswegian's sour puss returned, as he considered how a team with nothing to play for had made his central defensive pairing look like Cheech and Chong. A travesty, he called it. Poetry, I call it.

Read more here
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QUOTE(sKyWiR3pT3lTd @ Apr 24 2012, 02:23 PM)
Very interesting read, not related to the RAWK

Five minutes Fergie time

With 20 minutes or so to go at Old Trafford, and Manchester United 4-2 up, Fergie afforded himself a luxury - a joke with the fourth official he usually spends all game trying to provoke to a nervous breakdown. But at the full-time whistle, even after five minutes special Fergie time, the Glaswegian's sour puss returned, as he considered how a team with nothing to play for had made his central defensive pairing look like Cheech and Chong. A travesty, he called it. Poetry, I call it.

Read more here
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I was amused when the 4th official giving 5 minutes of injury time when the game hardly have any fouls or injuries, it's even more amusing after seeing the reaction from Moyes. "Fergie Time" rclxms.gif

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thats why i stressed that we must atleast buy 3~5 match officials and refree, no need to buy any high priced players already............

we will get dubious penalties and fergie's time to save our match if we fall behind icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Yluxion @ Apr 24 2012, 02:47 PM)
I was amused when the 4th official giving 5 minutes of injury time when the game hardly have any fouls or injuries, it's even more amusing after seeing the reaction from Moyes. "Fergie Time"  rclxms.gif
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What had surprised me more in the game was the banner "Why Always We 20". *Duh* doh.gif

QUOTE(digilife @ Apr 24 2012, 03:01 PM)
thats why i stressed that we must atleast buy 3~5 match officials and refree, no need to buy any high priced players already............

we will get dubious penalties and fergie's time to save our match if we fall behind  icon_idea.gif
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LOL

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