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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Carling Cup Winner,FA Cup Runner Up 2012

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Rotuham
post May 2 2012, 03:46 AM

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post May 2 2012, 04:47 AM

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Kenny's future depends on the FA cup now.

Poor result but i wasn't surprised.No leader on the pitch and our passes were sluggish.

If kenny wants to start henderson and carra in the final then it may ultimately cost him his job.



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post May 2 2012, 04:58 AM

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QUOTE(Puteih @ May 2 2012, 04:55 AM)
but then the owner doesn't seems to be involve with the club
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Not really.They have shown that they are not afraid to pull the trigger like they did with damien comolli and a few other backroom personnel last month.

They also kicked roy hodgson out after half a season albeit there was from pressure from fans.
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post May 2 2012, 05:09 AM

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QUOTE(digilife @ May 2 2012, 05:03 AM)
Raheem Sterling should be a regular in the first11.

Downing and Kuyt can retire.

Carroll,Shelvey and Maxi should play more.
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not yet.We still have to increase his game time.The next game he needs to play 25-30minutes.today he only got 15minutes.Starting him now will damage his confidence.

Downing is easily the worst player i have seen to wear the shirt.Poulsen,konchesky and all the other poor players in the past didn't cost us the money this idiot did in the summer.20 million could have just been burnt and it would have made no difference.
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post May 2 2012, 01:01 PM

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The atmosphere at anfield was terrible last night compared to norwich away where the fans were singing suarez song throughout the game.

I guess that should be enough for liverpool to move away from anfield.We need a new stadium that is able to accommodate to 70-75k people.
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post May 2 2012, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(leftist @ May 2 2012, 02:23 PM)
give me carling cup & FA than 5th place in the league!..our club has been trophyless for a long time rolleyes.gif
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The only thing can justify us not being in the top 4 is chelsea winning the Cl and finishing outside the top 4.
It means they qualify in place of the 4th place team(spurs/newcastle) who will then play in europa.
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post May 2 2012, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ May 2 2012, 11:20 PM)
Does Liverpool qualified for next year Europa after winning the Carling Cup?
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if we win fa cup and carling cup double we get automatic entry to the champions league.
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post May 3 2012, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(RyanHo @ May 3 2012, 12:04 AM)
r u sure?
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kenny told me personally.
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post May 3 2012, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 3 2012, 04:13 AM)
Wolves are going down. Any chance of us snapping Steven Fletcher? 25 and have a decent record of scoring goals. Surely he can score more with better players around him, eh?
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Definitely not.Same argument used for charlie adam and stewart downing last time around.Look how it turned out.
he's a big fish in a small pond.
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post May 3 2012, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 3 2012, 10:43 AM)
Astonishing? I find it ludicrous that anyone can suggest Kenny intends to sabotage the team, especially after all that he's done for the club. Such baseless comments based on zero fact should be ignored.
You called? I don't need to write a cool story. Already said I'd give him more time to right the wrong. You don't always get it right on your first attempt and everyone deserves a second chance, especially someone of Kenny's stature. Your choice to either back him or stand against him. I choose the former because in my eyes, he should never walk alone. If he still can't cut it, he'll step down on his own accord.
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This is the problem.A lot of those backing kenny outright are not willing to be honest with his mistakes and shortcomings.Saying kenny making mistakes is unpalatable to them.When we say downing and adam have been flops people start giving excuses this and that just because they are kenny's buys.Even meireles and aquilani leaving is justified for them.

He made a mistake in not getting a proper right winger.Henderson was intended to be houghton but he can't cut it.
I am sorry but a houghton type midfielder is gone with the 80's.You need pacy and tricky players on the wings.
Henderson has neither of those attributes.Are you willing to accept that kenny's plan to play henderson on the right has failed? or are you gonna put a spin to it and say kenny playing him there to give him more experience etc etc?

You support the club and manager but that doesn't mean every single decision of kenny is right.The key to it is learning from your mistakes.I don't expect kenny to get things right all the time but it should be right most of the time.till then i won't stop with my criticism of his tactics and player selection.

I don't agree with demio that kenny has purposely set out to lose games because kenny would never do that.But kenny shouldn't be immune to criticism that most of you were happy to dish out at woy.


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post May 3 2012, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 3 2012, 02:12 PM)
Not willing to be honest with his mistakes? What does this sentence mean to you?
Never said that he can do no wrong. What I've been saying is that I will give him every benefit of the doubt I can. Why? Simply because it is Kenny Dalglish, and he is a living legend. If things don't pick up next season, then fairplay, maybe he isn't up to the task but until then, I will afford him every opportunity.

Considering all angles and possibilities is hardly the same as putting a spin on things. Like I said early, I believe that he deserves every benefit of the doubt and yes, it does have to do with sentiment and what he's done in the past. My opinion of course. Fans still chant his name so he still has his believers and even if he fails and ends up leaving, I for one will still be a fan of his as I've been all these years.


Added on May 3, 2012, 4:13 pmEarlier in the season there was a lot of disgruntled fans on this thread who seemed completely oblivious to what was going on off the pitch. When talking about wage caps and financial FairPlay, it's important to note what we've been doing to boost commercial revenue, have a read.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-f...252-30892350/3/
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I did read that sentence before i wrote.Previously you have never questioned or criticised kenny's tactics or starting 11.It's all the players fault if we lose.Doesn't those words mean you think kenny is never wrong because he gets every benefit of doubt? You have to be objective otherwise you will only end up being disappointed.Just because he is kenny dalglish doesnt mean his mistakes should be overlooked.

I trust john henry and ian ayre to do the right thing for our club because they made the club move in the right direction after HG disaster.Kenny's job was only to deliver top 4 but he couldn't.He got his priorities wrong this season and focused too much on the cups.

Without CL football,we are never gonna get the new stadium because we won't able to convince the banks to get a loan for the stadium.Eventually other sponsors will pull out too and we will become the new leeds and nottingham forest.Everything lies with CL and not those two puny cups that some boast about this season.If fans cannot accept this then it's safe to say they are living in the past.I did read on the kop blogs about this and many of them cannot come to terms with this.They talk about the magic of the cups in the 70's and 80's and how they rather win those than qualify for CL.I have to agree with outsiders that a lot of liverpool fans live in the past.
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post May 3 2012, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 3 2012, 06:24 PM)
I feel the need to state again that I didn't say Kenny never made mistakes. Getting tiring saying this again but it seems necessary. People have short memories and your accusation of me blaming the players is an example of that. I've been backing the likes of Carroll and Downing all the while. I've even stated that Henderson has shown potential but isn't ready for the first team. The only player I claimed to be average at best is Adam. Which player have i criticised? In terms of Kenny Dalglish, I am saying he isn't the only one to blame and provided circumstances which could have contributed to our poor results. If at any point, any of my arguments were totally irrelevant, I'll own up to it.

I'd appreciate it if you'd stop misinterpreting my posts and accusing me of things I did not say.

Ps we were already known as a cup team under Rafa. Problems with consistency aren't new.
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Please lah,you think i have nothing better to do than misinterpret your posts and accuse you.
You have never criticised or questioned kenny's decisions for anything on here as long as i have been here.

I am not saying you must criticise kenny but to say kenny must right his wrongs after keeping quiet all these while is contradictory.




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post May 3 2012, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 3 2012, 07:03 PM)
If you don't want me to think that, then stop picking on my posts. You don't see me dissecting yours. Heaven forbid that Liverpool fans would be more interested in arguing amongst ourselves.

FFS, just because I don't say he's done anything wrong, means I think he's doing everything right? When the hell have I contradicted myself. I said from day one that he isnt the only one to blame or did you miss that too? I also said from the beginning that I choose to focus on the positives and not the negatives.
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I don't want to get into further arguments with you but you should read this article and the comments below it.
Then you will get what i was saying in the previous post about not accepting the modern day realities.The part about arsenal and chelsea is delusional to say the least.

Mind you this is from a LFC TV news editor.

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_Just-a-cup-t...231/173471.html?

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post May 3 2012, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 3 2012, 07:46 PM)
This is what I got from the article unless my comprehension has mysteriously deteriorated.

I don't think you'll find a Liverpool fan who doesn't want the title. Many of us have been waiting for over 2 decades. This doesn't however mean that winning cups should not bring joy. Sure, lifting the Champions League and not the league cup means more, just as ending our drought of league titles will fill us with feelings of elation. Still, I remember every minute of Istanbul and along with two thousand people, I celebrated harder than I ever did when Dudek saved from Shevchenko, even though we finished behind Everton in the league. 

I don't care about Arsenal or Chelsea but if you are suggesting that some Liverpool fans are delusional, think again. Feeling happy about winning the League Cup or Europa Cup doesn't mean that fans don't want more. Wanting more however doesn't mean that fans won't travel to Cardiff in droves to support the team even though it is just the League Cup. It doesn't mean we won't celebrate even though it was a win over "lowly" Cardiff. I'm not going to sulk just because it was the league cup. I've been waiting for the Premiership longer than most posters here but that doesn't mean I'm going to be all morose until we win it.

If anything, it's delusional to think that we'll catch up with Man Utd who have built their success on and off the pitch over years. What's delusional is to suggest that we'll instantly stand toe-to-toe with Chelsea, Man City or Arsenal without spending wildly on players. Won't happen over night at least.

Not all peaches and cream this season but if we win this Saturday, I'll still be celebrating and signing. This doesn't however translate into, "yay our season is a success, we're there!". If anything I accept the reality that we are far behind our rivals, which is why I scoffed at suggestions that we'd challenge for the title, this season or the next. In pursuit of our goals, it isn't wrong to cherish the little rewards that come along our way.

Kenny may not have gotten it all right this season but what's wrong with giving him another season? He is only on a 3 yr contract after all. Also, why the rush? In my opinion, it's reasonable to give someone ample time. I want the Premiership as much as any Liverpool fan there but I can still afford a little patience.
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Fair enough you talk about appreciating the league cups and fa cup but what that joker did was put down arsenal and chelsea's achievement in the past decade.If that isn't delusional then i don't know to say.

I need some feedback from fellow fans here on this part:

A treble in 2001, including the drama of a late comeback against Arsenal and a nine-goal European final; a League Cup win over our fiercest rivals in 2003; the aforementioned FA Cup in 2006; a possible FA and League Cup double this season. And, of course, Istanbul: a fifth European Cup, a night some Liverpool fans would describe as the greatest of their life.

Would you swap all this for Arsenal's cache of two league titles and three FA Cups? No Liverpool fan in my office would.

How about Chelsea's collection of three league titles, four FA Cups and two League Cups? This is tougher – but it was still a toss-up for all those colleagues I questioned
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Please give your honest opinions guys.

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post May 4 2012, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 4 2012, 12:43 AM)
Good football up to outside of opponent penalty box. This I agreed.

So since 2012 play good football?
The team will be relegated if playing like this and get the result like this, for the entirely season.
So progress but relegated?  smile.gif
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Exactly rclxms.gif We are clueless once we reach there.

Blackpool won plaudits for playing nice football last season but that didn't mean they stayed in the premiership did it.


Added on May 4, 2012, 12:59 am
QUOTE(Adryan @ May 3 2012, 10:26 PM)
Yup. It's perfectly fine for anyone to have a different opinion but at the end of the day, we just want the best for Liverpool.


Added on May 3, 2012, 10:26 pm

It's so unlucky that Fabio suffers so many injuries. He's a quality player on his day sad.gif
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I don't think any liverpool fan want the club to fail.When it comes to defending the club,manager or players from outside criticism and insult we will always be there.

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QUOTE(demio121 @ May 4 2012, 01:37 AM)
I think differently.

English FA and Carling dun attract top player.  Not so foreign player.  When we win our treble, Houllier value UEFA over the other 2.  Most english player choose the FA.  EPL is probably the most difficult to win.  CL is probably the most prestige  in club football.  To attract top player we need get into CL minimum.  You're right.  In & out of CL won't help either.  Playing in CL consistently wud help financially and also attract top players.
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Yup that's right.torres chose to come to us because we played in the CL final although mu won the league at that time.Having benitez and spanish players also helped a lot.CL is a better attraction for foreign players.

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post May 4 2012, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(leftist @ May 4 2012, 09:01 AM)
yup..player rather have trophies than no5 at the league table..thats a fact...and please dont ask why not top4..with the squad we have,no5 is the best we can achieve..and most probably we will be trophyless again in the process..so be grateful we went into TWO finals..not many club lying in no8 went into TWO finals in 1 season


Added on May 4, 2012, 9:04 am

LUIS SUAREZ! rolleyes.gif
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How many luis suarez are out there?

Winning the cups is pointless if your league campaign is terrible.Look at what happened to portsmouth and birmingham.The former won the fa cup and went into administration while the latter got relegated last year.
How much 'progress' was that? The cups are only a bonus.You cannot claim success if your league season is a failure especially at liverpool


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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 4 2012, 06:56 AM)
But we don't exactly want players like these. Players who want to play because of Champions League attraction and because of a manager. I know Rafa did alot in bringing the Spanish Armada and I appreciate that but right now, only Pepe is left and he's stuck under Roy and Kenny. That's the kind of players we need. Not those who jump ship just because the club is having a bad time.

While Torres has said he was lied to, it didn't work that way. It wasn't FSG who promised him what H and G promised. The same applies to Meireles.

No matter how good he was for us, he will never be a Liverpool legend and he hardly looks like he'll be a Chelsea legend. He was the kid, who could have been king here. That's why I have a high regard for the likes of Agger, Aurelio, Carragher, Gerrard, Reina, Kuyt and Lucas. They stuck with the club and bear in mind, some of them had suitors.

Ultimately, CL will attrack players but we also want  players to wants to play for the club, no because we're in the Champions League.
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A few of the players you mentioned above didn't leave because they didn't get proper offers from other club.
No club wants aurelio as his injury history is very well documented while arsenal didn't want to put in a higher bid for reina in the summer of 2010.Agger,carragher and gerrard are the highest earners in the club.

Can you be honest and say that torres would have come if we weren't in CL in 2007?
No matter how much you like to believe about ''playing for the red shirt'' and ''proud to wear the liver bird on my chest'' this things are only given importance by us,the fans.It sounds very pessimistic but the truth is often hard to swallow.

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post May 4 2012, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(demio121 @ May 4 2012, 11:44 AM)
we got £33.5 million sitting in Hubbard's worst signing list.

then we got a free signing in his best signing list.

headache.....

for all the criticism, if all of them are still around next year, please don't go doing this season again.  you guys are better then this.  Believe we can and we can.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...o=feeds-newsxml

We should be going after players like this.But no doubt we will pay 25million for darren bent this summer doh.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 4 2012, 12:56 PM)
Be realistic. Why would he come to a club with no CL when there are other CL team after him?
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Not many top teams are after a striker.if he leaves i think cavani and hamsik will want out too.
If barca or chelsea get one of them it gives us the chance to get the other.City are loaded,united don't need strikers,arsenal just signed podolski and the trio wouldn't fancy moving to another club in italy.

We do need to pay a bit higher like we did when we beat chelsea's interest for johnson in 2009.

Another transfer window of players like darren bent,matt jarvis and steven fletcher will condemn our club to midtable obscurity.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 4 2012, 04:32 PM)
That's what you think.Reality might reflect otherwise....

Rumours have it City wanna offload Dzeko and RM want Aguero. If they leave, City will need REPLACEMENTS.

ManU will have both Owen and Berbatov leaving at the end of season. Who is to say they wont need replacements? They cant possibly depend on young Welbeck eh?

Drogba is leaving Chelsea. Lukaku is young and raw. News reported Lukaku is heading for a loan as part of the deal for Marin... That's left Torres and DT23. DT23 is too young and Torres is switching hot and cold. That means they probably aiming for 2 strikers.

These are only the few big teams I m referring to... We have Bayern....Lyon....Inter....AC Milan...and other big teams with CL aiming for strikers.
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iF it's true what you say,we can move in for dzeko.very underrated and has scored so many goals this season despite being a sub.There will always be players we can get like we did with bellamy.

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