http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...7&if_height=338

This post has been edited by ray123: Apr 12 2012, 09:35 PM

Weren't there some DAP fanatics who claimed DAP were prudent? There you go. Should have gone with an LRT system, but decides to go for under sea tunnel.

$$$$$

LRT vs sea tunnel, better take LRT.

Wasn't it the federal government under BN that canceled the Penang LRT proposal after they lost the state in the first place?

if im not mistaken, only the federal government can built the public transport..

Wrong. The federal government canceled the Penang Monorail proposal. They didn't cancel it because they lost the state. BN isn't that petty you see. The federal government back then wanted to focus on the KTM project.

ouch.

I'll have to defer to Kampung2005's knowledge in this matter.

While one may not say the reason is political, or not.....the timing of shelving monorail project is inappropriate.

If focus on KTM project, actually.....Ipoh-Padang Besar project was proposed early in 2000's, postponed by the then-PM, but only to be restarted in 9MP.

oh mai, headshot. Sry, no respawning for Olida.
But she will find a way to comeback. Just ignore the facts like always.

i'd rather penang set up a tramway system like the ones in berlin et al.

Ok.

The timing? Well, it is indeed political, I admit. Let's be honest, wouldn't both sides want to look impressive? If the project had gone through, Malaysians would thank the Penang state government instead of the federal government. That would allow the opposition to benefit from "false publicity".

Anyway, the government shelved the project and revived the KTM project, as I remembered Badawi's exact words, "To focus on people's need first". Of course, Badawi was never really a good leader for the country.

She is just another typical bn cybertrooper wanna-be who think every single thing that BN do is brilliant. LRT should have started years ago.

back to badawi. again

Why? You enjoyed Badawi's leadership?

What false publicity when Penang is part of Malaysia and the federal government should fund or at least, kick start it.

In Australia, federal (Commonwealth) government is Labor, but they still fund projects in Victoria which is ruled by Liberal National Party.

if you argue on both sides of the fence, you win. you've been taught well my young padawan

>The federal government canceled the Penang Monorail proposal.
>They didn't cancel it because they lost the state.
>BN isn't that petty you see.
>BN
>isn't that petty

i... cannot brain this

Malaysians are not Australians. We're not politically matured enough, compared to Australia. Do you really want people to be misled into thinking that the good deeds of one government while the other government takes credit?

It's called, the "duty".

The duty of the government.

+1

Govt != Party

Its also the duty of the voters to be well informed.

Anyway, it was Badawi's time. He was a poor and an ineffective leader.

Oi, ini BX-series commando droid la. Semua droid ikut "Darth Jib Kor"

What a flimsy argument. It's like saying the police should be reluctant to catch thieves because they are afraid that the local rukun tetangga people would take the credit.

you opened my eyes.

/k/ made me hate pr. it's cybertroopers (hanief, joe mamak, cowhide, etc.) damn annoying. but you, my friend, made me back to neutral.
now i hate both.

party vs party = police vs rukun tetangga

wow.

it seems BN voters have failed in their duty.

both state and federal governments should serve the people

This post has been edited by kalandra: Apr 12 2012, 10:18 PM

PR have failed in their duty of informing voters.

It's federal government vs state government.

Voters have chased PR away from their villages. The latest on was Anwar being chased out.

who to blame, BN, they control the mass media and fed us those idiotic main backside news instead of letting us be smart, they prefer us to be fool.

Perhaps you should read Utusan, watch TV1 (TV3 looks moderate in comparison), and go to UMNO dominated forums. Those people are just a tiny bit more annoying.

This post has been edited by kalandra: Apr 12 2012, 10:22 PM

Wow. Seriously dude. This sort of petty stuffs belong to preschoolers. So you are saying publicity > need? What sort of government is that?

Its not. Political planning is part of political culture. Vote opposition if you want to, but voters will have to bare with that decision if it backfires.

You're welcome. We need more people like you.

No they haven't. They have been well informed and they have done a good job voting for a good government.

i guess if 1 day BN change PM, u will be hammering Najib, whos ass smells good ? must be your current boss 1.

another idiot. told u i hate bn as much as u guys, but thanks, you guys made me hate pr as much.

Well, if PR is only talking about breeding hatred towards BN, why should the media give room to them? Their job is ensure the development of the country is taken care of, which I've yet to see them do. I haven't seen them provide a good check & balance system. Look at Selangor for example. Poorly managed state plagued with problems which are yet to be sorted out. YET, BN have been excellent opposition in Selangor. Noh Omar should be Selangor's chief minister.

Well, its part of politics. That's why Malaysians should learn to vote smartly.

I can't see Malaysia losing Najib as PM.

"Backfires".

You seem to think that people should be afraid of their government. You mention about Malaysians not being politically mature. It seems your views about democracy and good governance would put you in that category as well.

How can you justify supporting a government that would punish those that did not vote for it? But then again I'm guessing you'll just spin it away saying "it's not punishing, but rewarding and giving priorities to those who voted for the government first".

Next thing you'll be saying cronies deserve their special positions and immunity from the law because of their unending support for the people in charge.

Analysis complete.

BX-series programming:
Fictional background - nonmalay. neutral, voted PR previously. Current BN supporter, due to BN insaf and reform. Scheduled for night shift.
Objective - Give BN 2/3 majority.

*If good stuff - BN buat. If cornered by facts, buat tak nampak and move to next point.
*If bad stuff - salah PR. If cornered by facts, salah Badawi.
*If shown examples from other developed countries - say Malaysian not matured/lazy and need to be controlled.
*If asked about BN songlap/misdoings - refer them to MACC, 14 floor.
*Never give sos for any accusations, as could be immediately fact-checked by keyboard warriors.
*add smiley in reply, if counter-point if strong.

lol, how old is him and u think we will allows a dead man to be PM, ok, perhaps u are older than him then, you are correct, no chance for you to hammer him =P

When did mention that the people should be afraid of their government? Perhaps what you could say is the people should be careful who they vote for.

The government didn't punish the people it did not vote for. On contrary, the Selangor government did that when the state government decided to give an allocation to each PR ADUN to improve their constituents. Isn't this punishing those who voted for BN?

He's in his 50s I think.

welcome. give you "B1 droid" designation first.
If you write as well as Olida, then level up ok?

Perhaps PR downfall is that their supporters gave the impression that they think BN is the devil and PR is the angel. Perhaps some really think PR is the saviour of Malaysia. I'm just angry how much BN has messed up. Yes, some are overenthusiastic in their support for PR, but could you blame them after long years of BN mismanagement? I'm not delusional to think PR has no corrupt leaders or will have no corruption, but even a 10% reduction in corruption would go a long way for Malaysia.

Oh and some that fanatical only to counter BN supporters arguement. You don't believe how much PR supporters have to endure. Sure Lowyat forum is like PR heaven, but how bout real life?

This post has been edited by kalandra: Apr 12 2012, 10:34 PM

saw this countless times in /k/.
pr cyberdogs calling regular, neutral people bntrooper.
in the end, pr lose our vote. it's pathetic, really


now u're talking with sense
some of them are really rude and use personal attack every time we say they are exaggerating

btw i think in real life, money > all.
BN could give it to any1 n they'll fall for the trap.
If only the internet could be used just like that, PR won't have a chance.


This post has been edited by poke_meh: Apr 12 2012, 10:37 PM

remember Penangites, who tells the story of Jelutong roads that were never repaired with major potholes, during BN control. Cos Jelutong was DAP stronghold.

don't worry. won't simply accuse you.
everyone can decide from your postings.
we are educated now.
And i just got my SPM results. Horray.

How do you define a good leader? Is it

1) take commision 500 mil, used millions of ringgit to lavishly renovate military camp as part of a stimulus fund during recession, promise to bath the keris with the blood of the Chinese, u tolong I, I tolong u. This is a trait of a good leader?

Or do u prefer,

2) I am a Malay first. Malaysia education system is more advanced than those in developed country. Support perkasa and suggest more racially extremist group to be set up.

Or do u prefer

3) have sex with his personal friends but later admit his mistake is keep going to the same room at the same hotel. Threatens the people who he claims to represent by saying hos party will pull out from all gov position if they dun vote for his party. Hire models to front his party agm. Said the previous president is irrelevant and insult him publicly.

Or do u like leader like

4) backdoor minister, lose d election but took became senator and deputy minister, kowtow to his master who ruled the party for31 years but marginalized the ppl they are supposed to represent.

All of this haven count all other leader like rapist, buta huruf dunno English when questioned by a court, curi here curi there, buy house got discount worth millions, got anak beranak genius billionaires, take lembu loan but go buy condos, anak gangster claims to be royalty and assault ppl who are carrying out their duty, say its ok to tarik balik assistance to oku cause he supports opposition, say rakyat dun lawan gov who are tauke.

I not bodoh. So sorry la, I wont vote for these ppl.

Why don't you just blame your DAP guy for a poor job done?

LGE for PM la..

Why else do you think the Opposition had gained so much support from its perennial loser status before Anwar? Lies cannot sustain a political movement, forgeries cannot remain hidden. A false cause is insufficient for long lasting change. You seem to think Opposition supporters suffer from some sort of pure denial of BN but as a BN voter who switched I can honestly tell you I just don't see any good for the country if the status quo remains the same.

Besides, not all of us are mere politically motivated. I don't care who is in charge of the country as long as he (or she!) fixes our long standing problems like our slipping education standards, brain drain due to preferential treatment, imbalanced development between the peninsular and the East, brainwashing institutions like BTN, increased household debt, bloated civil service, our slowly disappearing competitive edge over other ASEAN countries etc etc etc. All these problems are not "recent". They did not just happen overnight or within the past few years.

All these things were legacies from Mahathir during his 22-year tenure. Badawi couldn't solve it. Najib isn't doing anything different from his two predecessors. My father was secretary to the PM's department and he too sees no changes despite brandings of KPI, NKRA, ETP and GTP. Except from the fact his old department went from 4000-odd people under Mahathir to 45,000 under Najib.

I'm sorry but you lost me there, seems you have a mistake somewhere between Selangor government and state government. I can't tell if you're referring to pre-Opposition Selangor era or the current situation today.

This post has been edited by ray123: Apr 12 2012, 10:46 PM

This thread is getting derailed.

The tunnel was not new, according to a report in The Edge years ago, tunnel was considered before they decided to go for second bridge.

The State Government propose it. It did not implement it.

Prudent or not, it does not lies in the State Government hand to approve the proposal.

most people vote for a variety of reasons it's possible and normal for some to agree with bn's concept but not necessarily najibs way.

I saw what u did thar.
"derailed" in a LRT thread.

Kampung2005 must remember this phrase. Very useful in his threads.

This post has been edited by Cowhide: Apr 12 2012, 10:52 PM

Pemandu, Gtp, etp all pr work. Even air Asia buy new planes they wanna claim credits

All you fanbois seriously think BN or PR are going to save Malaysia?

One stinks as bad as the other. But, if you keep both from being too powerful, their stench cancels each other out somewhat and Malaysians can breathe a sigh of relief.

This post has been edited by allinuff: Apr 12 2012, 10:52 PM

For road tunnel, it was first discussed during the planning for second bridge, before 2008.

There were proposals, such as building undersea tunnel, or a bridge on the north, or the bridge on the south (which became the 2nd bridge).

That's because that's what PR supporters are. They are chauvinists being pretentiously objective.

That's also the same argument used by all supporters. I can say the same excuse for my reason to support BN. BN have been addressing all those problems. For instance, brain drain, the government launched a corp to bring back those talents who left the country. Household debts? How is this the government's fault? People are spending lavishly above their means, and the blame goes to the federal government. Are you serious? Bloated civil service? Not really. We've got many government departments and they are all there to serve the Rakyat.

Mahathir is the most visionary leader we've had. For you to make a statement like that indicates that you're just ungrateful for all the things we accomplished during those years.

I was referring to the present Selangor state government. I should have made it clear and easy for you to understand.

So don't need waste your gold to argue with that fella.
I've seen everybody off-topic because of him.
Kinda sorry for that MOD.

Time will tell in the end.it's near anyway ^^

I don't know if u are really from Penang, but jelutong road has been repaired upgraded countless times. For a long time it was the shortest and fastest way from tanjung to south of the island.
Similarly roadworks near ftz area

Yeah... pasar area still worst...They plant new trees (big fat like coconut tree but smaller) around my area.

This post has been edited by jimmyoon: Apr 12 2012, 10:58 PM

Heard from Penangites, as it was an obvious experience, when an out-station person drives thru there.
Nevermind, let a real PG (like junsheng) to confirm this.

This post has been edited by Cowhide: Apr 12 2012, 10:59 PM

FACT-Checked.
https://rightways.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/...he-delinguents/

Every 3 taxpayers supports 2 civil servants in Malaysia
“The highest ratio of civil servants in the world”!
Most bloated civil service

* With 1.3 million civil servants to a population of 26 million, Malaysia has one of the highest civil servants-to-population ratio in the world by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development standards.
* In 2009, Malaysia’s civil servants-to-population ratio was the highest in Asia Pacific. The ratio was 4.68 per cent, compared to Singapore’s 1.5 per cent, Indonesia’s 1.79 per cent, Korea’s 1.85 per cent and Thailand’s 2.06 per cent all of which have less than half our ratio.

Subject: Civil Servants in Malaysia…Alarming Figures
1. Number of civil servants in Malaysia
2000 - 894,788
2008 - 1.2M
2011 - 1.3M+
During 2000 to 2008, increase of 300,000 or each year 38,151 or each day 104.
2 . Money spent on salary / remuneration
2005 - RM25.6Billion
2008 - RM41.0Billion (or from each tax payer RM22,800)
An increase of a whopping 60% during 3 years only. If it is private company, sure “bungkus”!
3. Population that pays tax 1.8M
Number of civil servants 1.2M
Meaning every 1.5 tax payer support 1 civil servant.

We know, we know. Salah Badawi.

This post has been edited by Cowhide: Apr 12 2012, 11:03 PM

"Ungrateful"? What do you know about it? You speak as if he is some sort of Great Leader and that we're blessed to have him? This is the difference between us: You speak as if his accomplishments were "gifts" to us Malaysians. I see them as him doing his duty as a national leader. Nothing more, nothing less. I dare say ANY leader who could take over Malaysia when we were ahead of South Korea and Taiwan could have done what he did, and maybe even more. He didn't even do it all above board either, like how he handled the great tin market scandal (which he personally admitted to).

I'll stop here because I don't want to derail the thread any further. Suffice to say we see things differently: you think we should be beholden to the past whereas I'm more concerned about the future.

politic again, this is boring

So? I don't care. So long as their service is good while efficiency is good, I'm happy.

The problem is, Malaysians are not productive in general. Therefore, the government, just like most private companies need to hire more employees to compensate for the losses incurred due to the low productivity rate. That's why its more beneficial for companies to hire cheap foreign labour.

This post has been edited by Olida: Apr 12 2012, 11:05 PM

I'm sorry that you can't appreciate the development brought by Mahathir. He could have always chosen to take Zimbabwe's path or Greece's path. Instead he did it his own way. Therefore, we as Malaysians must be thankful for that.

Its very boring to people; who doesn't understand the implications of politics on the future of their children and Nation.
Dota2 gooding?

Did you just accused the civil service (78.2% Malay) as being not productive?

https://rightways.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/...he-delinguents/
Best contradiction of 1Malaysia

* As at 31 December 2009, the racial breakdown of the Malaysian civil service comprising 1,247,894 employees was as follows: Malay (78.2 per cent); Other Bumiputras (7.7 per cent); Chinese (5.8 per cent), Indian (4.0 per cent); and Others (4.2 per cent).

* “This is the worst multi-racial composition of the government service, with the lowest Chinese and Indian representation in the public service in Malaysia’s 53-year history. This is clearly seen from the three sets of comparative figures of the racial breakdown of the civil service before the NEP (1971) and as compared to Dec. 2009 – Malays (60.80 per cent and 78.2 per cent); Chinese (20.2% and 5.8 per cent); Indians (17.4 per cent and 4.0 per cent); and Others (1.6 per cent and 4.2 per cent).

On topic, maybe Penang Airport needs a SMART tunnel?

This post has been edited by Cowhide: Apr 12 2012, 11:17 PM

I only stated my opinion that MALAYSIANS in general are not productive.

lol wut?

Private companies fire when productivity rate is low. It's called lay off.
It's an idiotic move to hire more people when your worker are already lazy.

We have the highest ratio of civil servants in the world. That includes China and & India & US.

No.

You just stated that their service is good and efficiency is good.

Then you say they have to hire more people because their current worker is low in productivity.

You were referring to the government, specifically.

Aiyoyo, this thread offtopic too much liao.

this thread need to be off topic, its a must! for the future of malaysian

Close thread bah

It's not.

We are just debunking Olida which has no significant whatsoever.

He will just continue on a another thread.

This thread is derailed and fell under the sea tunnel.

the future of all of our children.

aaannnnddd, he continue in another thread

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2304132

Not really. Its costly these days to lay off.

You see, they need to hire more workers since Malaysian workers are just not productive in general, to maintain good service to the public. Simple.

1) Or they can stop hiring people.
You just don't seem to understand the phrase "highest ratio of civil servants in the world". That is not the mark of a good government by world standard.
How is that even efficiency?

2) Oh god, that 2nd statement. Makes me facepalm so hard.

You see, its like the saying, it takes one Indonesia to do the jobs of two Malaysians.

The government cannot resort to hiring foreign labour for government departments right?

I think there is enough rope already.

This post has been edited by Cowhide: Apr 12 2012, 11:42 PM

For?

Lets try a really wild idea. Maybe hire more productive malaysians? like indians, since they are only 4% and generally shouldn't be the reason for the "low productivity" you talked about?

* As at 31 December 2009, the racial breakdown of the Malaysian civil service comprising 1,247,894 employees was as follows: Malay (78.2 per cent); Other Bumiputras (7.7 per cent); Chinese (5.8 per cent), Indian (4.0 per cent); and Others (4.2 per cent).

This post has been edited by Cowhide: Apr 13 2012, 12:08 AM

Wild idea? This idea doesn't make sense. Population size has nothing to do with productivity rates. Its more to do with mentality.

Then is the private sector workers the same?

Yes. Private sector workers and government sector workers. Malaysians in general have low productivity rates.

Get your facts straight mister.

why sea tunnel ?

Ungrateful? Who got him into power the first place? He is the one that should be grateful to the rakyat for voting him in.

why we need to be grateful to leaders ? they are civil servants anyway ...

bridge need federal govt approval
LRT need federal govt approval
monorail need federal govt approval
new taxi system need federal govt approval
sea tunnel no need..i think that is the main reason..
anyone can confirm.

Also, it is not only the moving of people, we are talking of moving of commodity,
If IKEA opens in Penang Island..who will come and buy if there is delivery of goods..
If there is no good road system, where IKEA will give free delivery..