izit good??
handling,power,fuel consumption,reliability???
spare parts easy to get??

Spare parts, as long as you're willing to pay, I think can be readily obtained.

dont ask bout FC since its DOHC VTEC

thxthx

err im new to cars

there are 2 version, facelift and pre-facelift.

type R has stiffer chassis just like FD2R but the later is way stiffer and quicker.


spare part wont be much of a problem since we have lots of honda in here. But the price might set ur foot off the floor of parts shop.



and why is that? any particular reason?

its using dual-camshaft-thats already will consume mor fuel
then the valve also got 4 for each piston-another factor
then the engine block itself is racing-bred =more fuel

then I have nothing else to say..

superb gem of an engine. i rode in one and when the vtec kicks in it's just whoa.

this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.....

true oso ma..what he said..lol..cannot tahan laughing weii...
maybe his riding C70 or EX5 with 1 piston n' 2 valves.. super safe fuel..

Guys, give him a break..he drives an Hartge e36... perhaps he never heard of vtec..

sometimes when people ask about FC, it doesn't necessary mean the prospect is hoping the car will be as fuel efficient as a ford focus diesel.

they just want to know so that they could plan their monthly financial.

handling is superb only if u match with good tires such as RE11 or AD08.
fuel consumption is good if u keep it below 3k rpm. reliability is good as long as you maintain the car well such as normal servicing.
spare parts easy to get cuz use K20A engine

i also lol'ed at his statement

RM5 full tank can drove for 1 week no prob

so his E36 is six cylinder with 2valve on combustion chamber

hahahaha, this thread is getting hilarious

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Added on April 5, 2012, 9:32 pmand also because the engine block sidewall is not plasma coated, hence more friction will eat more fuel...get fd2r better

This post has been edited by skyblas: Apr 5 2012, 09:32 PM

civic type R??
dunno leh...
i prefer dc5 design...



This post has been edited by alwinnng: Apr 5 2012, 09:59 PM

epic yaw~ should get into 9gag.

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Added on April 5, 2012, 10:13 pmi thnk got 2 dc5..one is type R..another is type S.

This post has been edited by theanswer: Apr 5 2012, 10:13 PM

yup every car its good depend on which perspective u look at...

FC should be ok depends how u drive... VTEC technology FC is actually quite good and power delivery the torque very nice too..
reliability definitely is A okay.... price of parts is reasonable as lotsa after market parts too...

Which type are u looking at?

As long as u love the car and willing to commit i dont think its an issue... make sure u get a reasonable car condition.

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Added on April 5, 2012, 11:06 pmthere is another guy on the other thread also making me troll hahahaha he says twin cam is like a pair of leg running and single cam is like 1 leg jumping HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This post has been edited by mxsteven: Apr 5 2012, 11:06 PM

oooo...nice nice....
seems good....

one of my fren own n drive a 2011 fd2r daily... his car FC is extremely good even better than my father's vios that i drive everyday. Here the small test..

2 months ago, we comparing if a sports sedan hv better FC than a 1.5/1.6 sedan or worse? by how much?

Both of us pumped in rm60 of fuel to our empty tank. our max speed set at 120km/h. means each time we drive should not over 120km/h until fuel gauge start to blink.

result my fren's type R was better than my vios i drive now by extra 40km mileage. odd?? But REALLY true..

Location: langkawi so not much difference in traffic condition.

boy im glad i opened this thread..... you sir i salute

What's the rpm for VTEC to kick in for K20A?

After reading it for sometime.... it still make my eyes rolling hahahaha

Dual camshaft use more fuel hmmmmmm then if i add a few more screws to the cam pulley would it takes more lolssss...

Valve also got 4 for each piston i know the sky drops is called rain and its liquid is called water or what the scientist called H2o

Engine block got racing bred hahahahaha i must get MKA cert for my engine block soon.... maybe my engine block is come from champion line...

i drive both DOHC VTEC & single VTEC,i know FC of both car
dont tok kok here

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Added on April 6, 2012, 10:05 amracing bred=thats laymen term
means the material blok is different from single VTEC one

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Added on April 6, 2012, 10:06 amu dunno some engine got only 3 valve per piston?others even got 5 valve per piston

This post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 6 2012, 10:06 AM

What is racing bred? y u called that laymen terms?


What tok kok? tukul ah?
What for you know the FC of the cars, those cars are meant to be spirited driving.
So no FC is not the concern here, how the car perform matters.

u stupid or what?im toking that those cars are high fuel usage & giving reason what make its low FC

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Added on April 6, 2012, 10:24 amI also occasionally drive both my family's K20A & H22A la
of coz the DOHC VTEC realy sucks the much more fuel when ONLY VTEC kicks-in after 4000rpm

but on low rev,still cannot match singleVTEC car's FC

btw,u ever drive merc & bmw together & compare the FC?u know all merc are single-cam & all bmw are twin-cam?thats your lesson for today

This post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 6 2012, 10:24 AM

Lolsssss u really make me laugh rolling from Lowyat 5th Floor to Basement.....

Dont you understand how the car works.... go and google wikipedia dude....dont be dildomydude hahahahaha

3 Valve, 4 Valve or 5 Valve does not mean anything about consumption.... it is EFFICIENCY... FC is always depend on the car weight over power ration and the engine displacement.

Single cam Vtec can be as good FC as Twin Cam or vice versa.... depend how you drive but for performance wise Twincam had more benefits where the power band is higher and more efficient than Single cam setup....Why manufacturer dont create all twincam? its the cost and design.

ALL Merc Single cam???? better go n tanam your head dude.....

This post has been edited by mxsteven: Apr 6 2012, 10:45 AM

u stupid wan
merc all single cam la u dam dam
if AMG,not sure,maybe DOHC,never the inner engine in real life

This post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 6 2012, 10:50 AM

I bet you are the real idiot in the world.... so Merc V8 is single cam lah HAHAHAHAH

lolssss i really laugh hard now until basement 5 edi

TS edit the qoute back.
Myvi more gengg got Twincam and Dohc

yes its single cam,V8 one,so who is laughing now?so who is gonna tanam his head now?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M155_engine
this V8 engine not only SOHC,but also with only 3 valves for each piston

but yeah,some others are DOHC as well,but its on V6

i agree that im stupid on some facts,but correct on other facts

This post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 6 2012, 11:04 AM

I bet u have to tanam your head lotsa time


W116 (1972)



This S-class flooded the streets in my childhood. Nevertheless, I do not have very fond memory of it, blame to its unrefined design. The W116 was born at a time new safety regulations getting effective. This demanded plastic bumpers and rubber side stripes. Unfortunately, like everyone else, Mercedes had not masterminded the art of integrating these safety features into the body shell, so they looked ill-fitted and at odds to the rest of the car.

Style-wise, the W116 was a brave (an unsuccessful) attempt for modernization. Its body shell was widened and lowered. The radiator grille evolved shorter and wider, while traditional circular headlights were replaced with two large rectangular ones with signal lamps integrated. Weight went up by around 100 kg, mostly due to improved safety. To enhance crash protection, the cabin section was made stiffer, and further research improved the progressive crumpling of the front and rear crumple zones. In the cabin, collapsible steering wheel, recessed switches and padded surfaces reduce the level of injury in collision. Fuel tank was relocated from the tail to above the rear axle. These features made the S-class the safest car in the world. Moreover, in its final year, it introduced the world's first ABS anti-lock brake system.

The chassis was a big departure from the previous generation. While the front double-wishbone setup sounds similar, it got anti-dive geometry and zero Kingpin offset (i.e. the steering axis falls onto the center of tire contact patch). The latter improved its steering response and reduced kickback a lot. At the rear, the low-pivot swing axles finally became history, as they were replaced with semi-trailing arms. This tamed the oversteer of its predecessor, making its handling safer and more predictable.



In the powertrain side, the 2.8-liter straight-six of 280SE/SEL became twin-cam and delivered an impressive 185hp (up 25hp). V8 models finally got proper names – 350SE/SEL and 450SE/SEL. They were good for 200hp and 225hp respectively, more or less the same as the ones introduced late in the life of the previous generation. The automatic transmissions now got torque converter instead of the previous fluid coupling for enhanced smoothness.

Autocar tested both 280SE and 450SEL. They topped 125 mph and 134 mph respectively, and accelerated from rest to 60 mph in 9.7 and 9.1 seconds respectively. The 280SE was praised for sweet revving engine, good handling and ride. Performance of 450SEL was disappointing, partly due to the power-sipping 3-speed automatic (lesser models used 4-speed auto), partly due to its extra weight. However, the British magazine praised it for refined ride, responsive handling that belied its size and superb power steering. The latter was light yet quick and free of kickback. No wonder 450SE/SEL was crowned European Car of the Year in 1974.

Like the previous generation, W116 was offered with a high-performance model, 450SEL 6.9. This will be dealt with a separate article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M271_engine


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M272_engine

took this out from links on the Merc W204 page. Pretty common car with common engines, and both are DOHC with 4 valves per cylinder and Variable Valve Timing. So what say you?

bro, just let him be.. he's just trolling.


johnkor dupe I sense...

nah we just having fun lolsssss no hard feel.... that is how we kill our time lols

What nonesense you saying?
I really dun get what are u trying to say.
Low FC? u mean high fuel usage car giving reason LOW FC?

and, what laymen terms are u saying? u havnt answer me that.

and to educate the regular peeps here with proper facts

Once again Another day is screwed by MXsteven.....

jeng jeng jeng.......

hahaha who is mojojojojojojojojo

another thread gunned down by Steven.

Just want to ask Vtec really engage at 4k? Sorry, I never own a vtec car before.

nah not gun down by me....

Vtec engage depends on models... and iVtec works differently.... the old heritage Vtec normally kick in about 4.2k and some 4.8k... B16A if not mistaken 4.2k and B18C and H22A 4.8k.... i cant confirm... u need to google hahaha but im sure B16A is 4.2k coz my civic with my brother is B16A auto.... everytime Vtec kicks in the gear change lololololssss

K20A Type-R drinks RON97, no?

yup 97.... all honda type R recomended to use 97 due to the ignition timing table... if not it will be knocking and jerking hahahaha i still remember someone drove his fren type R and fill 95 then later become subaru hahahaha

my b16a kicking vtech at 4.9k, and that true the new type-r only drink 97.

B16A also drinks RON97 right?

B16A drink any fuel but not rootbeer hahaha

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Added on April 6, 2012, 1:37 pmic... yours is manual or auto? maybe my car being rechip edi coz when i bought its edi japan mod edi... come with freebies hahaha

This post has been edited by mxsteven: Apr 6 2012, 01:37 PM

i only know BeTIK

i know u love Vtek tek hahahaha

pls get it right... its VTEC...not vtech...not v-tec...not v-tech....just VTEC. 4 letters...nuttin else.

THIS is vtech.....


based on an EG6 brochure i found online before (but cant seem to find again ) it states there Fuel: RON98 (Regular)

imho

the civic type R is 2.0 litre at 120km/h the engine speed wont be more than 2.5 . it would also have more torque at lower rpm compared to your vios. so if you capped the speed for the type r to max 120, he would be burning less fuel compared to u. also depends on how both of you drive and how often you do a short trips... quite a bit of factors actually.

Why CM5 iVtec kick in 5.2rpm ?

Fuuuhhh all tech kaki come in edi....

i sit behind eat popcorn

I only know of one 2011 fd2r in Langkawi. You know Shaun as well? LOL

As you know to say that VTEC KICKS IN and sucks more fuel right...if Not more fuel how does it makes your car moves faster or powerful wise bro...??or you thinking want more power but Fuel Consumption wise is Low...?? Hybrid will do your job
BTW,i dont even compare merc with BMW,why...car still car and going to condemned anyway...

so Merc's V8 overall going to have only 8VALVE lo aiyo seems legit

Yeah hell yeah...Myvi lagi best lagi power

sup bro mana pigi

i ready this thread see E36 trolling

Its Lagi power Lagi Best hahahaha..... MYVI should do 8 Valve Single cam.... so less stuff less makan minyak HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Lagi power, lagi best, lagi minyak sep.

but E36's V8 already 8valve oo isn't it...

coming from an ex-dc5 owner (AUDM Type S k20z1) with a little vtec here and there, you'll be looking at around 10L/100k using Ron98.
vtec crossover for k20 is at ~5800rpm

V8 mah, V8 = valve 8

if we don't use any cam mah save even more?

ya lo bro...piston will do the job

LOL
Dunno u r trolling me or what?normal inline4 DOHC engine got 4valves for each piston so total all 16valves,while v6 or inline6 DOHC normally total 24valves
But for merc V8 engine which is also SOHC,happen to hv only 3valves per piston/sylinder,equal to 24valves only instead of normal 32valves for V8 setup
This reduce low-end torque but high gain on FC instead of same car segment which using DOHC V8 with 32valves

But why proton wira 1.6 SOHC got 16 valves? Waja 4G18 SOHC also got 16 valve?

Actually V6 does not mean it's inline 6 cylinder. Its a misconception by alot of people. V6 means 3 piston is laid on the left \ and another 3 piston on right / . Both connected to the crankshaft on the bottom.

If what you're saying is true? those engineers should be set ablazed for designing a dumb and inefficient engine. low torque but high FC.

Idiot u think my standrd that low?u even bother check my previous what it mean by 3valves per piston/silinder?
U ever drive SOHC V6 engine with 18valves instead of DOHC V6 engine with 24valves????and yes FC between both are so much different

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Added on April 7, 2012, 1:26 amIts the setting of each silinder la,and each manufacturer got their decision on how many parts should in the ngine
Even only using single cam,4valves can be attached to each piston
Its not fixed rule to say twin-cam must be coupled with 16valves
Heck even got 1 toyota engine(I forgot) DOHC inline4 but with 20valves(5valves for each piston) and it meant for high torque on low-end
Now u know its realy true afterall
But yes those I saw is 90s and early 2000 engine,nowaday got soft-turbo to assist high-torque on low-end without sacrifice FC

This post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 7 2012, 01:26 AM

Nope. i was poor, I drove a Saga Megavalve SOHC with 12 valves.

So to conclude. You're saying, less valves, less power, will have High FC?

owh.. now I know, 4A-GELU is a high torque engine at low end. is soft turbo like those mini turbo sold here? If can put in my car to get high torque will be great.

Yes but generaly to reduce the production costs also
Coz high FC also contributed by GB and the weight of the engine itself(cast block cheaper and lighter than forged block) and the weight of the chassis as well

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Added on April 7, 2012, 1:51 amJust scared your GB end-up barai cannot tahan the additional torque-well up to u to decide,just get advise from year pomen if the GB suitalbe or not

This post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 7 2012, 01:51 AM

How to improve our GB to have low FC? I thought Cast block is heavier than forged block? Because forged billet block can use higher ms grade material or can perform heat treatment to increase the material hardness? People keep telling me cast rims are heavy while forged rims are light. Now I'm confused. But if engine block is same, GB is same, weight of chasis is same, the head is different, that means the lower valve will still consume more fuel than higher valve right? How much difference are we talking? this is good info to stop people from buying cars with little quantity of valves.

wah, you're quite knowledgeable, can you recommend your pomen to me? May need his help to advice me whether my GB is suitable or not.

What say me?check merc V12 engine codename M275 for S600,its still SOHC with only 3valves per piston=36valves altogether instead of general assumption having DOHC and 48valves
Clearly merc setup this for low FC in mind since its a heavy and for daily usage car
Don't compare with another merc V12 engine codename M120 DOHC with 48valves since it for plonking in Pagani zonda body without concern bout FC at all

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Added on April 7, 2012, 3:03 amBtw merc w204 C200 CGI only use small 1.8 DOHC with turbocharger,they clearly want to squeze every possible torque and hp from that little twin-cam engine coz the chassis is quite heavy though

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Added on April 7, 2012, 3:10 amI think u must change the whole GB unit altogether,got better suggestion?
Forged block usualy tougher than cast one,eventhough it maybe lighter-its how u manufacture it is they not the material alone

Heh,later if got good one will PM u,but actualy I'm scared if I giv the wrong one who gv shitty service to u,end-up ruin my name also hehe


This post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 7 2012, 03:10 AM

Finally something that you say is true..... couldnt agree more... this is what we called improve efficiency

Where is the talking about dc5....

Hahahahahaha.. kaw kaw out of topic edi lols pity the TS thread kena hijack kaw kaw

sohc and dohc mean the single or double camshaft. single camshaft that control all 16 valve or double that control 8 inlet and another one control 8 outlet valve.
lol..of course v6 is 'vee' engine. not inline 6. inline 6 like bmw engine..nissan rb26. v6 like perdana 6a12 and nissan VQ engine. its not misconception..everybody knows that.

should be more than 5000rpm red vtec lamp illuminate felt the power(amber lamp) almost near <6000rpm bro..cant really remember. correct me if i'm wrong bout the spec..
only had a ride in my fren's fd2r twice.. not really pay attention to the meter cluster area as vtec kicked in feel was so impressive..

actually search it in youtube..better explanation with video. hahaha.

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Added on April 7, 2012, 12:10 pmusually sohc engine a bit lighter at the low end. try google protons 4g13/4g18 and compared it with new s4pe/s4ph..the 4g13/4g18 will reach torque peak earlier than campro. but campro doch will give more power at high end..due to bad low end power..thats why they give iafm. it's theoretically only..but result is different based on manufacturer and engine spec. usually vvt system will help to eliminates this low end power loss.

This post has been edited by theanswer: Apr 7 2012, 12:10 PM

lol... iehh..u knew him?batch mate? ya ..mat slow Shaun with his fd2r..
of cos i know him. he cant fly his aircraft without a good repair man..

This post has been edited by shift2: Apr 7 2012, 12:20 PM

My former instructor when I was still there, haha.
I still remember the day he brought it back, the fella was so worried handling a manual after a long while. But once he got used to the car, wham!

haha coz now E36 want say that FC not that good compare to SOHC or neither single valve on single piston lol