dont ask bout FC since its DOHC VTEC
wanna ask, integra dc5
wanna ask, integra dc5
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Apr 5 2012, 05:59 PM
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dont ask bout FC since its DOHC VTEC
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Apr 5 2012, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(farique @ Apr 5 2012, 06:07 PM) there are 2 version, facelift and pre-facelift. its using dual-camshaft-thats already will consume mor fueltype R has stiffer chassis just like FD2R but the later is way stiffer and quicker. spare part wont be much of a problem since we have lots of honda in here. But the price might set ur foot off the floor of parts shop. and why is that? any particular reason? then the valve also got 4 for each piston-another factor then the engine block itself is racing-bred =more fuel |
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Apr 6 2012, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(farique @ Apr 5 2012, 08:59 PM) i drive both DOHC VTEC & single VTEC,i know FC of both cardont tok kok here Added on April 6, 2012, 10:05 am QUOTE(mxsteven @ Apr 6 2012, 08:44 AM) After reading it for sometime.... it still make my eyes rolling hahahaha racing bred=thats laymen termDual camshaft use more fuel hmmmmmm then if i add a few more screws to the cam pulley would it takes more lolssss... Valve also got 4 for each piston Engine block got racing bred hahahahaha i must get MKA cert for my engine block soon.... maybe my engine block is come from champion line... means the material blok is different from single VTEC one Added on April 6, 2012, 10:06 am QUOTE(mxsteven @ Apr 6 2012, 08:44 AM) After reading it for sometime.... it still make my eyes rolling hahahaha u dunno some engine got only 3 valve per piston?others even got 5 valve per pistonDual camshaft use more fuel hmmmmmm then if i add a few more screws to the cam pulley would it takes more lolssss... Valve also got 4 for each piston Engine block got racing bred hahahahaha i must get MKA cert for my engine block soon.... maybe my engine block is come from champion line... This post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 6 2012, 10:06 AM |
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QUOTE(ronzai89 @ Apr 6 2012, 10:11 AM) What is racing bred? y u called that laymen terms? u stupid or what?im toking that those cars are high fuel usage & giving reason what make its low FCWhat tok kok? tukul ah? What for you know the FC of the cars, those cars are meant to be spirited driving. So no FC is not the concern here, how the car perform matters. Added on April 6, 2012, 10:24 am QUOTE(ReidenLing @ Apr 5 2012, 09:28 PM) i also lol'ed at his statement I also occasionally drive both my family's K20A & H22A laso his E36 is six cylinder with 2valve on combustion chamber of coz the DOHC VTEC realy sucks the much more fuel when ONLY VTEC kicks-in after 4000rpm but on low rev,still cannot match singleVTEC car's FC btw,u ever drive merc & bmw together & compare the FC?u know all merc are single-cam & all bmw are twin-cam?thats your lesson for today This post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 6 2012, 10:24 AM |
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QUOTE(mxsteven @ Apr 6 2012, 10:42 AM) Lolsssss u really make me laugh rolling from Lowyat 5th Floor to Basement..... u stupid wanDont you understand how the car works.... go and google wikipedia dude....dont be dildomydude hahahahaha 3 Valve, 4 Valve or 5 Valve does not mean anything about consumption.... it is EFFICIENCY... FC is always depend on the car weight over power ration and the engine displacement. Single cam Vtec can be as good FC as Twin Cam or vice versa.... depend how you drive but for performance wise Twincam had more benefits where the power band is higher and more efficient than Single cam setup....Why manufacturer dont create all twincam? its the cost and design. Merc Single cam???? better go n tanam your head dude..... merc all single cam la u dam dam if AMG,not sure,maybe DOHC,never the inner engine in real life This post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 6 2012, 10:50 AM |
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QUOTE(mxsteven @ Apr 6 2012, 10:50 AM) I bet you are the real idiot in the world.... so Merc V8 is single cam lah HAHAHAHAH yes its single cam,V8 one,so who is laughing now?so who is gonna tanam his head now?lolssss i really laugh hard now until basement 5 edi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M155_engine this V8 engine not only SOHC,but also with only 3 valves for each piston but yeah,some others are DOHC as well,but its on V6 i agree that im stupid on some facts,but correct on other facts This post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 6 2012, 11:04 AM |
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QUOTE(ReidenLing @ Apr 6 2012, 08:11 PM) As you know to say that VTEC KICKS IN and sucks more fuel right...if Not more fuel how does it makes your car moves faster or powerful wise bro...??or you thinking want more power but Fuel Consumption wise is Low...?? LOLBTW,i dont even compare merc with BMW,why...car still car and going to condemned anyway... so Merc's V8 overall going to have only 8VALVE lo Yeah hell yeah...Myvi lagi best lagi power sup bro mana pigi i ready this thread see E36 trolling Dunno u r trolling me or what?normal inline4 DOHC engine got 4valves for each piston so total all 16valves,while v6 or inline6 DOHC normally total 24valves But for merc V8 engine which is also SOHC,happen to hv only 3valves per piston/sylinder,equal to 24valves only instead of normal 32valves for V8 setup This reduce low-end torque but high gain on FC instead of same car segment which using DOHC V8 with 32valves |
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Apr 7 2012, 12:39 AM) Idiot u think my standrd that low?u even bother check my previous what it mean by 3valves per piston/silinder?U ever drive SOHC V6 engine with 18valves instead of DOHC V6 engine with 24valves????and yes FC between both are so much different Added on April 7, 2012, 1:26 am QUOTE(Vervain @ Apr 7 2012, 01:12 AM) But why proton wira 1.6 SOHC got 16 valves? Waja 4G18 SOHC also got 16 valve? Its the setting of each silinder la,and each manufacturer got their decision on how many parts should in the ngineActually V6 does not mean it's inline 6 cylinder. Its a misconception by alot of people. V6 means 3 piston is laid on the left \ and another 3 piston on right / . Both connected to the crankshaft on the bottom. If what you're saying is true? those engineers should be set ablazed for designing a dumb and inefficient engine. low torque but high FC. Even only using single cam,4valves can be attached to each piston Its not fixed rule to say twin-cam must be coupled with 16valves Heck even got 1 toyota engine(I forgot) DOHC inline4 but with 20valves(5valves for each piston) and it meant for high torque on low-end Now u know its realy true afterall But yes those I saw is 90s and early 2000 engine,nowaday got soft-turbo to assist high-torque on low-end without sacrifice FC This post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 7 2012, 01:26 AM |
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Apr 7 2012, 01:46 AM
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Apr 7 2012, 01:33 AM) Nope. i was poor, I drove a Saga Megavalve SOHC with 12 valves. Yes but generaly to reduce the production costs alsoSo to conclude. You're saying, less valves, less power, will have High FC? Coz high FC also contributed by GB and the weight of the engine itself(cast block cheaper and lighter than forged block) and the weight of the chassis as well Added on April 7, 2012, 1:51 am QUOTE(Vervain @ Apr 7 2012, 01:44 AM) owh.. now I know, 4A-GELU is a high torque engine at low end. is soft turbo like those mini turbo sold here? If can put in my car to get high torque will be great. Just scared your GB end-up barai cannot tahan the additional torque-well up to u to decide,just get advise from year pomen if the GB suitalbe or notThis post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 7 2012, 01:51 AM |
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QUOTE(Nightstalker1993 @ Apr 6 2012, 11:21 AM) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M271_engine What say me?check merc V12 engine codename M275 for S600,its still SOHC with only 3valves per piston=36valves altogether instead of general assumption having DOHC and 48valveshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_M272_engine took this out from links on the Merc W204 page. Pretty common car with common engines, and both are DOHC with 4 valves per cylinder and Variable Valve Timing. So what say you? Clearly merc setup this for low FC in mind since its a heavy and for daily usage car Don't compare with another merc V12 engine codename M120 DOHC with 48valves since it for plonking in Pagani zonda body without concern bout FC at all Added on April 7, 2012, 3:03 amBtw merc w204 C200 CGI only use small 1.8 DOHC with turbocharger,they clearly want to squeze every possible torque and hp from that little twin-cam engine coz the chassis is quite heavy though Added on April 7, 2012, 3:10 am QUOTE(Vervain @ Apr 7 2012, 02:00 AM) How to improve our GB to have low FC? I thought Cast block is heavier than forged block? Because forged billet block can use higher ms grade material or can perform heat treatment to increase the material hardness? People keep telling me cast rims are heavy while forged rims are light. Now I'm confused. But if engine block is same, GB is same, weight of chasis is same, the head is different, that means the lower valve will still consume more fuel than higher valve right? How much difference are we talking? this is good info to stop people from buying cars with little quantity of valves. I think u must change the whole GB unit altogether,got better suggestion?Forged block usualy tougher than cast one,eventhough it maybe lighter-its how u manufacture it is they not the material alone Heh,later if got good one will PM u,but actualy I'm scared if I giv the wrong one who gv shitty service to u,end-up ruin my name also hehe This post has been edited by e36.hartge: Apr 7 2012, 03:10 AM |
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