Well it depends on your budget thou. In your case, you could only get a secondhand Yamaha or Kawai. If you have a higher budget a wagner or Hailun will be much better. PM for more info.

hailun is an up and coming new brand on the market and have entered the european and american market quite a splash. at NAMM, MusicFair-Frankfurt and MusicFair-Shanghai their piano is highly regarded. designed by some top designer-technicians, well known heavyweights within the piano industry, and they are considered among the very best pianos coming from china today.

according to australia agent, i was told thanks to the owner, mr. hailun (ya piano under his name, the only chinese maker dares to use it) willing to invest money in high technology and machinery, import top raw materials and pay higher wages to his employees that he believe is the key ingredient in making top piano today. oh ya, hailun is the only non european piano sitting in golden concert hall, vienna (the first time ever a chinese piano) and not to mention used in other top universities in austria, brussel, paris, london and many more.

wagner on the other hand, once assembled in europe - petrof due to high cost, have begin to work with hailun (i think for the last decade) and assemble piano based on wagner's spec.

today, hailun also manufacture pianos/parts for zimmerman, bechstein, feurich, weinbach and kawai piano parts. and my last visit to their factory, tqs to invitation from australia dealer, hailun ady building a new factory with size 60,000 sq m.... was told total size if we include other hailun factories, they will have a size of 150,000 sq m.... big... many football fields

between hailun and wagner both diff. pianos thou they come from the same company, largely due to specs. just like the weinbach, feurich, bechstein and etc they all sound and feel diff...

ops.. too much of reading and info coming from their catalogue, website & etc he he.. not that good actually marketing spin i guess... ha ha ha.. anyways as a musical instrument, you wont go wrong between these 2 marques... end of the day, is all about personal preferences, the truth is in the hands and ears.... please try to decide between them because of what anyone tells you about them is a waste of time. again, you need to try them and listen. this is the beauty of a musical instruments... )

and recond pianos common no more junks.. u have choice today... stay away... i dont see any beauty in them, as a musical instrument with musical sound quality, other than just tha name on the fallboard... with new paint work, shinny metal hinges, white key ha ha ha.. what a junk... spend the $$$ at the right thing... if not u can t/t the money to me

This post has been edited by jhp: May 9 2012, 01:04 PM

Wow! long info. Thanks. That save me lots of time from google. At the end, you mentioned about trying them in the showroom. That's exactly the problem here in kuching. Not many set up piano to try on. Many dealers will only order from Wagner from KL once a customer confirm their order.

Any other brand that sifus know that I can buy new and fit my budget? I also learned that taiwan also got piano factory, do we have it here in Malaysia too?

This post has been edited by autobeng: May 9 2012, 01:44 PM

The Hailun new factory is almost completed with a huge lot of space. If you have the time, you could follow us to the music fair in October to visit the factory along
It is true that there are no showrooms there. You could go to the dealers to try or use the package where the company will provide airticket for you to choose the piano that you want. Bare in mind that all dealers in East Malaysia will order directly to the main distributor in KL, prices may be different as the dealers need to have a living.

If your budget is above 5k you have a choice to select a brand new piano. We used to have the only piano factory in Ipoh, Malaysia. For more info, you can PM me or contact me directly for more clarification.

very true le... only know is east malaysia is infested with used pianos from japan .... it is very sad. the last donkey years i was there for holiday and visited some shops ... duh... nothing .... showing me piece of paper with colours.. i wanted to ask the salesman if i play and listen to how it sound from err paper // (just kidding).. ... but seriously majority dealers dont carry stock and hoping to sell from piece of paper.. which is the worst part... a piano must be there... who the hell will buy a piano without playing..

for used pianos from jepun... wow these u see a lot.. sad sad... there r so many brand out there... they carry them coz is ez to sell.. consumer only know about his brand... (sad lor seller doesnt educate them and teacher too.. not all some really haiiss... work on good commission... ) yamaha mah popular.. but why? answer dont know u see arr everybody have yamaha.. oh is it.. why they so good, err dont know? sound good lor wah.. good answer... how good.. u see everybody using it... u see them here, there, up there down there... ... there just so many brands in the market and frankly they not the best... (ops.. dont get me wrong i am not kicking them, i lov their pianos, yes the better one like CF n S series... oh and lovely shegiru too, but i tot just overated maybe, personal preferences... .. and they are good but they not the same as the other brothers that carry the same marques... jepun is good at tat... check out their hondas... hmm city, civic, interga, legend, NSX woo... NSX is not city he he he or how about nissan gtr (wooo sweet car) is not nissan sentra

anways... lil' sad too how piano industry is marketed - almost zero information.. can't blame much also.. piano design is not something that can be explain easily or in words (coz the end result is tone and touch - that is something so personal).... serious one i met handful piano designers gosh it is not easy to understand their language he he he... there is a saying making piano is not as easy as 1 + 1 = 2... having best raw materials mean nothing if the scaling is poor or if the workers dont know how to put them in place... there too many variables... soundboard dimension, string length, bridge position, tuning pins, and etc.... ... so the best bet is play them... they will sing to you.. if u dont like it is okay.. macam like american idol ha ha ha... yes or no.. 3 yes see u in hollywood... ... every human beings have own preferences.. and liking 1 thing and not liking the other is nothing wrong... is preference.....

yes u can copy from the best but the end result is not the same.. this what asian piano makers have done... many of their design today (of coz some improve it) were expired patents from great piano makers in europe and america.... oh do u know that a piano is tune to imperfection that why u have this beautiful sound.. yeah... if u tune a piano to perfect u will cry...

taiwan factory yeah use to have one... it is a yamaha factory but already closed down... moved to china... malaysia, yes there was a factory in perak somewhere... also closed down those days they were making pianos under british marques... production is still on just that they are now from china maybe indonesia.

to be frank your budget brings you to only used pianos. maybe lower entry level new pianos from china, not sure maybe only... not the better ones thou...

hey.. u have airasia.. everybody can fly.... hmm.. sound like eveyrbody can fly and play

This post has been edited by jhp: May 9 2012, 03:59 PM

Where can i find Ritmuller piano in klang valley?

ritmuller piano was once handled by wagner piano sb some 8++ years ago, i was told, until they found hailun. today, ritmuller is handled by bentley music, seen this piano sitting at one corner some 1.5++ years ago. ) far far away from their steinways showroom..

This post has been edited by jhp: Jul 25 2012, 10:43 AM

Ritmuller was Est 1795 in Burstrasse, Germany. The name used on pianos made by Pearl River Pianos from 2008 in Guangzhou Piano factory. It used be in display in Wagner Sdn Bhd about 9 years ago then Hailun came over to give an offer that could not resist. Since then Bentley came and took over the Ritmuller yet another made in China product. Check with Bentley on the Ritmuller. If there is anything else you need more in detail please PM me. Thanks

thanks guys, what other piano should i consider if i wish to have a brand new piano?

Ritmuller - a good piano?

which brand and model should i consider?

This post has been edited by HotzKiss: Jul 25 2012, 02:09 PM

First of all you need to determine whether you are playing for pleasure or for examinations. Secondly determine your budget.

Ritmuller is a good brand when it was done in Germany, however it is done in China. China is coming up yet the quality control need to improve. Japanese and Korean companies used to have quality problem but they improved. China need time. Let me know if there is anything

thanks ml888

according to larry fine author of pianobuyer.com, he rated ritmuller as upper level consumer grade pianos, and in the same categories as broadmann (parson), hailun, kawai (indonesia) and yamaha (china). personally, i will add that the hailun, broadmann & pianos in your list as these piano also give lots of performance and are reasonably priced.

then use the ears and hands as the primary decision makers. pick the pianos that sound and feel good, every piano have its own distinct sound character and feel... pick the one that is best . u have plenty of choice today...

i am sure you have no regret picking anyone... hv fun..

just for your info ritmuller comes 2 models 1) UP models and 2) UH models. UP model is old design of the ritmuller, similar hmm.. actually they the same as pearl river pianos. when pearl river hired world renowned bechstein designer, mr lothar thomma, they came up with a new model called UH. this model have been in the market for 2-3 years +... UH is more expensive and more refined model as compare to UP

as for prices:-
broadmann - started not very long ago by 2 senior of bosendorfer co. piano is manufactured by parson music in china (another big timer in music retailer after tom lee hongkong). parson also make pianos for kawai (china) and to arrrrrr forgot the brand ops sorry.... broadman is not cheap $$$$$ i mean for something coming from asia. (of coz selected models)

hailun - one most talk about piano today. self own factory bought over from government in 1998 to have better quality control and hiring say in the company. like many top piano makers, hailun have the most advance manufacturing facility and said to have the largest skilled manual labour among other makers in china. they make pianos for bechstein, zimmerman, kawai (parts), wagner and weinbach... the prices should be within the ritmuller range..

kawai - the china version is oem from beijing xinghai. this brand use to be known as linden.. err.. yeah din sell very well coz the name until they switch it back to kawai.. the model coming from china will be kx series. when kawai closed down their north carolina factory and move to indonesia, told they gonna have upright. not sure the model haven't seen it before yet. a little high on the price but still cheaper than an equal size yamaha

yamaha - indonesia. i think the u1j is nicer. so much better than ju90. however a little overpriced. for the money, plenty of choices. as for the china version - i have yet to see one. only tried one long donkey years ago during the joint-venture period between yamaha and pearl river came up with this yamaha UP125M1 or something (aha.. yeah UP model sound familiar rite, hehehe refer to rit explanation).

check this link. www.pianobuyer.com/spring12/45.html

ps. dont get me wrong. not trying to sway u away from yamaha or kawai... they nice piano but with china today (those good ones) there' now an alternative and many times better value too... of coz if u do like them it not a wrong thing too .....

This post has been edited by jhp: Jul 25 2012, 04:18 PM

Thanks jhp,

and i found this http://www.cmmusic.com.my/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=191

but in Johor

This post has been edited by HotzKiss: Jul 25 2012, 03:48 PM

let me see.. make ur search easier

ritmuller - www.bentleymusic.com
hailun - www.wagnerpiano.com
yamaha - my.yamaha.com
kawai - http://www.kawaimalaysia.com/eAsia2u/engli...ome.jsp?co=1849
broadman - i dont think there is any in malaysia. maybe they do i dont know. nearest singapore. www.robertpiano.com

hmm.. u check broadman with kawai ppl too... since they get their kawai from singapore...

This post has been edited by jhp: Jul 25 2012, 04:10 PM

Broadmann, brodmann brand is so misleading. There is no history and serial numbers of the pianos manufactured. Parson, Hongkong company invented for limitation. It is wise you should get recognized company to get assurance for any warranty for your piano. Determine your budget and brand preferable.

ops my mistake, added "a" suppose to be brodmann. the brodmann does not belongs to parson.

well... history of brodman started way back bfore bosendorfer. ignaz bosendorfer was an apprenticed in brodmann workshop he took over the company and the first bosendorfer was produced at joseph brodmann factory. of coz there is not much history about brodmann company that is based in vienna, founded 2003 / 2004 by 2 former bosendorfer executives. brodmann was the other company bidding to purchase bosendorfer however, they lost the bid to yamaha. anyways, at fair, they produce some nice pianos PE, CE and AE. as i know some models are assembled in parson, some completely and some assemble in germany...

This post has been edited by jhp: Jul 26 2012, 12:59 PM

Well brodmann does belong to parson. i think you need to go to the HK. I just went last year. They are licensed for brodmann.
The history you have was 1800s.
To be exact below is the info:
Brodmann, Joseph: Established in the early 1800s at 43 Glacis, Josefstadt, Vienna, Austria. Later he moved his workshop to 226 Johannes St. ( No Lenau St. 10) In Vienna. In 1828 Joseph Brodmann's shop was taken over by Ignaz Bosendorfer. I wish to put more on Bosendorfer history but it will bored you guys.
However past is past. It is good that parson holds the name rights of Broadmann.

brodman company gave the license to parson to make their piano under trademark brodmann... ownership and appointed to manufacture r both diff thing..... ownership - brodmann; factory assigned to manufacture - parson factory at yi chang, owner mr. wu. ie. kawai china licensed parson to make their kawai piano. parson doesnt own kawai. they r contracted/licensed by kawai to make piano under the trademark. oh in malaysia u wont find the kawai from parson but from xinghai beijing factory becoz of agreement. china kawai - parson is solely china market.

zimmerman (bechstein) contracted hailun to make the piano for them, hailun doesnt own the mark. or essex(steinway) contracted young chang and pearl river to make their pianos, but they dont own essex it belongs to steinway. or boston (steinway) contract kawai to make the piano but the ownersship of the mark belongs to steinway. soon mayb boston will be made by samick. i am sure one day since samick boss now sits in the board of steinway group co.,

of coz u see brodmann in hongkong. brodmann setup a company in hkg at chatham road, tsimshatsui. and i am not suprise if the pianos are at parson music. i dont need to go hkg le.. i go singapore, robert pianos i can see brodmann ady. or australia at winston music...

as i know parson own brands r barratt and robinson (vienna music / musical product once owner of this mark) and another few china marks, one of them is called "yangtze" something... and they own Wilh. Steinberg, recently acquired....

This post has been edited by jhp: Jul 26 2012, 01:54 PM

true. not bad. you pretty know the history. i am impressed!
We should go visit factories together and meet the people behind the scenes.

thank you sifus