With regards to this topic: "Secrets of Anti-Gravity Propulsion, Telsa, Ufos & Classified Aerospace Technology" by Dr. Paul Laviolette.
Basically they ran an electric coil through the leading edge of the wings to create a positive charge -- thus electrifying the skin of the aircraft. Then, they created a negative charge back by the exhaust somewhere and the two charges together create an anti-grav field.
And also there is some form of ionizing device fitted into the leading edges so that resistance/friction is also reduced.
It's an amazing piece of machinery.
Apparently this is also one of the reasons that ground crews are not allowed near the plane once it lands for a considerable period of time, due to the skin of the plane still holding an immense charge.
It kinda sad that norther didn't bother to do any actual research into Thomas Townsend Brown. His patented device actually works. Do a search for antigravity lifter on youtube, you'll find quite a few videos on the device being built and flown. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld%E2%80%93Brown_effect Unfortunately so did the mythbusters. It flies but it is not due to antigravity. It works by ionizing air and accelerating the ions in a downward motion in order to produce thrust which lifts the device. No air means no lift. The mythbusters repeated the experiment in a vacuum chamber and the lifter failed to lift off.
The effect was a result of ion propulsion, or electric wind, and therefore could not be used in a vacuum such as outer space. The earth's atmosphere can be rich in ions (electrically-charged particles), but a vacuum is not.
What we see today on B-2A is dielectric flying wing, a charged leading-edge, ions dumped into the exhaust stream and other clues.
The B-2A seems to be a culmination of many of Brown's observations made more than forty years ago.
You missed the entire point of my post. Brown's work has nothing to do with anti-gravity. If you are basing everything on Brown's work, your whole argument is based on wrong information since it has nothing to do with anti-gravity to begin with.
Biefeld -Brown Effect is your answer if you never heard about this. Brown stopped using the word "electrogravitics" and instead used the more acceptable scientific terminology "stress in dielectrics."
QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 4 2012, 10:55 PM)
You didn't even get the reason why ion propulsion does not work in vacuum right. It needs gasses to ionize in order to produce ions.
You are Smart. I can’t get the reason BUT i am wondering if the higher voltage offered by static charges could make up the difference. If the charge replenishes fast enough it could run the ionic propulsion. As a lifter it would be used to hover a slightly heavy ship without touching the ground.
QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 4 2012, 10:55 PM)
The atmosphere is not rich in ions. Ions don't last long in the atmosphere because it is unstable.
The ions’ role has potential implications for the atmosphere, climate, and human health.
QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 4 2012, 10:55 PM)
There's no proof that B-2s uses ions to improve its propulsion. The B-2 has nothing to do with Brown's work at all.
I never mentioned of proof but Brown had talked about it in 1950s. You can refer to LaViolette's, he is damn intelligent and what he present is real.
I did talk about the Biefield-Brown Effect a couple of post back. It has a link exactly like the one below inside it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld%E2%80%93Brown_effect It is known as electrohydrodynamics by other scientists. It is well documented and anti-gravity does not play any part inside of it. It works just like a jet engine that uses ions instead of heated gasses for thrust.
You are treating his book like some sort of bible that can't be wrong. You are basing everything on belief. Nothing scientific about it all. You need proof for science.
This is nothing more than a story telling thread that serves no real purpose.
From the first post :
QUOTE(norther @ Mar 30 2012, 09:55 PM)
Before any of you dismiss this book as total nonsense, perhaps a bit of Brown’s career highlights may give you pause for reconsideration. In 1930, Brown was referred to Colonel Edward Deeds. Brown left his position at Swazey Observatory for a job at the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC. He was assigned to the Navy-Princeton International Gravity Expedition to the West Indies on the US submarine S-48. Admiral Hyman Rickover, then a lieutenant, was the executive officer. Brown’s findings were summarized in a study titled “Anomalous Behavior of Massive High-K Dielectrics”. That study is still classified.
Secret of antigravity is held by the military secretly and Black ops. It was discovered long ago back in the 1800's. Read up on all the airship reports from back then and you will see why I say that. Who the inventor or inventors are is a mystery and what became of these airships as well is a mystery as well.
This example is based on several example of propulsion system from "The Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion." Page 152.
The flying craft would be moved forward by creating a gravity well or "gravity gradient". The craft, along with it's occupant, fall into the gravity well together, i.e. move forward together. To the passenger inside the craft there is no sense of falling and no sense of direction changes, no "G-Forces with straning faces of grunting passengers struggling to remain conscious by tightening the lower muscles of the body to retain blood in the brain. The craft can change direction instantly in sharp zipping turns and the passengers would not feel the changes of direction relative to the craft.
The "Gravity Well" is created through gradient differences by a charged ion field generated in front of the craft shown by +(plus) signs. The "Gravity Hill" is the dense jet of charged -(negative) ions thrust out behind the craft.
A gravity gradient is created between the negative hill and the positive well drawing the craft and occupants in the direction of the Gravity Well.
Did you even bother researching any of these examples on the internet?
No...just share and exchange the related document with other on email that interested in antigravity. I didn't bother you to reply. Are you Freaking out? Sorry.
Ever since the B-2 was officially declassified many odd things were noticed about the plane and it's program.
- Many people are amazed how quiet the B-2 is during take-off. - It's official operating speed is not declassified. - First the USAF said Chemicals are added to the exhaust to cool the exhaust, but later they admitted, it is to prevent the forming of contrials. - Both its wing leading edge and jet exhaust stream are charged to an incredibly high voltage. - A few USAF publications by Wright Aeronautical Laboratory and Air Force Systems Command's Astronautics Laboratory about the B-2, are about topics as 'electric-field propulsion', and 'electrogravitics' (or anti-gravity), the transient alteration of not only thrust but also a body's weight.
...The list of odd things about the B-2 is endless.
What aircrafts were around during the 1800's? The only known working aircrafts during those time were balloons and gliders. Given that the science behind those are well known, I don't see any point at looking at them for proof of anti-gravity. If you have something specific in mind, say it. Don't make others do your own work for you.
If you are interested enough you will do the work for yourself. If you choose not to look then the loss is yours, not mine.
Please see attachment PDF copy History of aircraft in 1800’s
Derigibles were around but they were often times noticably different and there was very few around and they of coarse were slow moving.
Why does the B-2 need to take off from a runway if it can do the above? It should be able to take off like a helicopter since it can hover if it was using anti-gravity technology.
After taking off conventionally, the B-2 can switch to antigravity mode and fly around the world without refueling.
“We designed it ourselves,” he said. “Necessity is the mother of invention. We saw the need and went out and did it.” Last month, Northrup Grumman awarded a contract to BAE Systems to replace 30-year-od analogue electronics with digital support systems on all B-2s. The size of the contract was not disclosed, and a Northrop Grumman spokeswoman said sensitive specifics about the planned upgrades would not be divulged. A BAE executive said in a press release the new electronics will help give the fleet “exceptional situational awareness to reach its targets through highly developed, increasingly sophisticated enemy defenses.”
This post has been edited by norther: Apr 6 2012, 02:09 PM
Those events are like the UFO stories of today. Does not really prove anything. Except that aliens may have anti-gravity tech. It does not mean that humans had the technology back then. The content of the link does not match what you have described. Another bogus link.
That part on planned upgrade does not mean that they are putting in anti-gravity technology. That being said did the B-2 originally have anti-gravity technology or not? Why would they need to put it in if it was already using it? Your stories are contradicting itself.
this is too tangent and your link too much wikipedia. I have no idea if the answer all the way from wiki.
This post has been edited by norther: Apr 8 2012, 12:03 AM
Wikipedia is a good source of information if you know how to use it. You should learn to use it to get a better understanding of things instead of basing everything solely on your book. So far you've been showing stuff without understanding what you are showing.
How exactly is my post a tangent compared to what you have been posting?
Im also wikipedian...hmm..quite long time ago and tend to save all information about Science, medical, especially vaccination and of course Cancer (including melanoma, breast cancer, prostate cancer, colon cancer, and many others). All the information i kept it factual with references, citations, and literature links.
I am not to offend and lets me tell you something about wikipedia - At the very bottom of most Wikipedia pages, there now is a "Rate This Page" survey box, where you may click to leave feedback as to whether it is "trustworthy," "objective," "complete" or "well-written." To submit your evaluation with just a couple of clicks. You can also click "View Page Ratings" to see how others have voted. No personal information is collected.
Ok now what i can see it is incompleteness, incompetence, or outright bias.
Wikipedia is an extremely popular internet resource, visited by millions. Persons unfamiliar with science, medical, engineering, politics etc and tend to uncritically accept what they read there, unaware that it may be false or misleading.
You are basing this on? They have been known to mark pages when there's insufficient or doubtful references. That sounds competent enough to me.
In real life, it will NOT competent. If you research on vaccination and try to help your family member who is sick then you will know the fact.
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What is wrong with removing pages if the information is not up to their standards?
Standard of Allopathy? Hiding the vaccination of smallpox, Cancer, H1N1 etc. What are they afraid of? They are afraid of the truth on vaccination and the vaccine diseases. Wikipedia is justly famous as “the encyclopedia anyone can edit,” and I can attest to this attribute, as my friends have contributed two or three articles and edited several dozen other ones. But the notion that “anyone can edit it” is seriously misleading. Is it Free to Edit?
QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 8 2012, 01:19 PM)
They also delete topics here, does that mean you should not be using this forum?
Not on this forums. I mean Wikipedia. There Looks to be an edit war, you will notice if you have registered account.But Wikipedia doesn’t allow “original research” Check it out, and contribute their own.
QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 8 2012, 01:19 PM)
Is the source of bias the due to the fact that it does not support any of your facts?
If you wish more source of bias, will PM and provide you the real one.
Original research belongs in scientific journals. Wikipedia is not a scientific journal. It cannot validate scientific research. Unvalidated research is no different from story telling. Someone else needs to validate the research in order to eliminate bias. You are blaming the wrong people. They should get their work validated by other scientist first and have the result published before attempting to enter into wikipedia.
This is the reason why I don't like your posts. Most of the experiments that you've quoted are not independently validated. They can't be validated because no one else could get it working.
The Wikipedia page for this physician has been deleted.
Possibly, just possibly, the real reason Dr. Cathcart is deleted from Wikipedia has much more to do with his outspoken advocacy of very high doses of vitamin C to treat viral illnesses.
To see something of what happened, you can click the "History" tab here as well."
Allopathic Medicine is mostly based around patentable drugs (pharmaceutical medicine), with radiation and surgery. Administered by the 'Medical Profession' who are all medical doctors. These medical doctors that will only use the drug company products are called Allopaths, as opposed to the ones who use alternative medicine (non-Allopathic), such as nutrients. One of the best kept secrets is the Allopathic medical monopoly.
Today I will share with you some of the non-medical therapies being used to treat cancer. Do bear in mind that these methods are not backed by sufficient scientific studies, and therefore are not “evidence-based”. I shall continue to write about these “unproven” methods until a satisfactory, safe, and effective “proven” solution for cancer is found. Cancer patients have the right to choose, but they must get the right information to make that choice.
Large vitamin C doses is not a miracle cure unfortunately.
As i know there is a mixture?
Added on April 8, 2012, 10:19 pm This link is more revealing- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Gerson No evidence that it actually works. People actually got sick from following it. Most of the patients died within 9 months. Those that survived were doing both standard cancer therapy and Gerson's therapy at the same time. Not very encouraging is it?
The above link revealing is bias and i can detect some deleted materials about Nutritional Medicine. All links, references and citations were removed. They were replaced by links to the American Cancer Society and National Cancer Institute, which offer only criticism of the Gerson Therapy. Even quotations from published scientific papers were removed. Attempts to rectify these actions were immediately overwritten.
It's easy enough to show the progression of the pages, since Wikipedia displays former edits on request, dated and documented. One can verify this by clicking on the "History" tab at the top of the Max Gerson page, and looking at 2005 and before.
A grandson does not really count as an independent source of information for an article.
Given that there's no real proof that the method in question actually works, why give it its own page?
The method has been around for decades and they can't produce evidence that it works. That does not speak much about its effectiveness.
There's no evidence of bias that I can see here.
Unfortunately, the Wikipedia page on Max Gerson is a shell of what it should be and the section on the therapy it self is nothing like the actual therapy promoted by the Gerson Institute and practiced around the world. In Japan it readily describes the Gerson Therapy as magnificent. It really is too bad we don't have the degree of medical freedom of choice that they share in Japan.
And again you never answer my question regarding ALLOPATHY?
It is because you didn't present a specific question in regards to those topics. The other reason is that this thread is about anti-gravity, not alternative medicine.
Added on April 13, 2012, 4:03 pm There's nothing stopping you from using that method. Just don't blame others if it does not work.
Still isn't it odd that there is no statistics available on the effectiveness after so many decades?
TR-3B Spotted over Belgium in 1990: This is the best most realistic shot of the TR-3B
The TR-3B’s performance is limited only the stresses that the human pilots can endure. Which is a lot, really, considering along with the 89% reduction in mass, the G forces are also reduced by 89%.
The crew of the TR-3B should be able to comfortable take up to 40Gs. The TR-3Bs propulsion is provided by 3 multimode thrusters mounted at each bottom corner of the triangular platform. The TR-3 is a sub-Mach 9 vehicle until it reaches altitudes above l20,000 feet--then God knows how fast it can go!
The 3 multimode rocket engines mounted under each corner of the craft use hydrogen or methane and oxygen as a propellant. In a liquid oxygen/hydrogen rocket system, 85% of the propellant mass is oxygen. The nuclear thermal rocket engine uses a hydrogen propellant, augmented with oxygen for additional thrust. The reactor heats the liquid hydrogen and injects liquid oxygen in the supersonic nozzle, so that the hydrogen burns concurrently in the liquid oxygen afterburner.” From 1998.
The two nuclear engines power the MFD and are used in the atmosphere for thrust. You can see the intake/exhaust vectored vents all around the Flying Triangle. The 3 multimode rockets are used in orbit for maneuverability.
Added on April 14, 2012, 7:17 pm
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The tactical reconnaissance TR-3B's (code-named Astra) first operational flight was in the early 90s. The triangular shaped nuclear powered aerospace platform was developed under the Top Secret, Aurora Program with SDI and black budget monies. At least 3 of the billion dollar plus TR-3Bs were flying by 1994. The Aurora is the most classified aerospace development program in existence. The TR-3B is the most exotic vehicle created by the Aurora Program. It is funded and operationally tasked by the National Reconnaissance Office, the NSA, and the CIA. The TR-3B flying triangle is not fiction and was built with technology available in the mid 80s.
Not ETs craft(ufo) but the Infamous TR-3B
This post has been edited by norther: Apr 14 2012, 07:43 PM
Gravity affects weight not mass. Mass remains the same regardless of gravity. G forces in an aircraft is not caused by gravity, it is caused by the acceleration of the aircraft. If it is affecting the mass of an object, it is not anti-gravity. Out of topic again.
TR-3B utilizes little known loophole to create it's antigravity effects.
The effects being described by your post is not the result of anti-gravity. Please get some understanding of physics before continuing further.
If you think you understand Physics; you don't understand Physics.
QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 15 2012, 02:16 PM)
Why would a craft need a nuclear reactor to heat up the liquid hydrogen before combustion in the first place? The space shuttle has been doing it for decades without the need of such a device.
There is other aspect not mentioned on TR-3B. Something very hot and very cold, iron,magnetism,mercury=plasma and fast as hell and back to your answer could be methane, what i heard other aspect is the refrigerated cyro cooling.
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