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turbocharged
post Apr 1 2012, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Apr 1 2012, 10:02 PM)
whats the diff?? tail happy aka over steer??? why u wan oversteer for FF?
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:20 PM

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Okay my understanding. Mitsu came with Front ARB, Front tower strut and Rear ARB + Hard sus + 18 rims/50 tyres. Result: Tail happy.

Potong INCREASED the diameter of the front ARB and decreased the rear + Softer sus + 16 rims/60 tyres. Result: Better balance, better comfort, boaty feeling.

So, we add strut. Increase front stiffness. Wouldn't this result in more understeer now? Put stiffer Rear ARB OR Rear tower strut: Neutral with less body roll?

Am I korek? Or am I just spouting tahi kerbau over here?

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post Apr 1 2012, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Apr 1 2012, 10:20 PM)
Okay my understanding. Mitsu came with Front ARB, Front tower strut and Rear ARB + Hard sus. Result: Tail happy.

Potong INCREASED the diameter of the front ARB and decreased the rear. Softer sus. Result: Better balance.

So, we add strut. Increase front stiffness. Wouldn't this result in more understeer now? Put stiffer Rear ARB OR Rear tower strut: Neutral with less body roll?

Am I korek? Or am I just spouting tahi kerbau over here?
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don have increase the front ARB

inspira 22 16
LGT 22 22

thinner rear anti roll bar for more comfort feel and understeer provide safer driving feel for normal driver

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post Apr 1 2012, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Apr 1 2012, 10:15 PM)
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i felt he look like u.... during kart rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Apr 1 2012, 10:26 PM)
i felt he look like u.... during kart  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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keep wave his hand.. LOL tongue.gif
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Apr 1 2012, 10:26 PM)
i felt he look like u.... during kart  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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post Apr 1 2012, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Apr 1 2012, 10:22 PM)
don have increase the front ARB

inspira 22 16
LGT 22 22

thinner rear anti roll bar for more comfort feel and understeer provide safer driving feel
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Okay. I'm working under the basic assumption that harder front vs back = understeer and harder back vs front = oversteer here (which might be wrong as heck). So:

22 + 16 : Slight understeer bias.

22 + front strut + 16 (what most of us are running now) : Increased understeer?

If you want a (relatively) neutral bias (aka, less tail happy but not understeer happy either) now, you would need:

a) 22 + front strut + 16 + rear strut

b) 22 + front strut + 18/22

That is, if we ONLY consider the struts and ARBs. Not the sus or the rims/tyres (considering bro CKK had to get his sus rebuilt, we can safely say Potong adjusted the geometry of the rear sus as well).

IINM. Please korek me if I'm wrong (which I think I am wor).

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post Apr 1 2012, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(JXplod @ Apr 1 2012, 10:26 PM)
keep wave his hand.. LOL tongue.gif
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i forgot lyn prefers ..l.. one......
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post Apr 1 2012, 11:02 PM

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Upgrade to 19 in the rear (ARB)
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post Apr 1 2012, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Apr 1 2012, 10:41 PM)
the hardness is from spring rate...... spring rate cannot adjust one....
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Can adjust pre load mah.
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post Apr 1 2012, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Apr 1 2012, 10:28 PM)
Okay. I'm working under the basic assumption that harder front vs back = understeer and harder back vs front = oversteer here (which might be wrong as heck). So:

22 + 16 : Slight understeer bias.

22 + front strut + 16 (what most of us are running now) : Increased understeer?

If you want a (relatively) neutral bias (aka, less tail happy but not understeer happy either) now, you would need:

a) 22 + front strut + 16 + rear strut

b) 22 + front strut + 18/22

That is, if we ONLY consider the struts and ARBs. Not the sus or the rims/tyres (considering bro CKK had to get his sus rebuilt, we can safely say Potong adjusted the geometry of the rear sus as well).

IINM. Please korek me if I'm wrong (which I think I am wor).
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erm..... add tower bar got affect the characteristics of the car or not i don know.... it does reduce a bit body roll....
so i cant answer u.....
but for me i will go for 19mm rear ARB... for a more neutral setup.... rear strut prehaps u can ask the shop owner can let u try or not during install the rear ARB bar?? tongue.gif

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post Apr 2 2012, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Apr 1 2012, 10:28 PM)
Okay. I'm working under the basic assumption that harder front vs back = understeer and harder back vs front = oversteer here (which might be wrong as heck). So:

22 + 16 : Slight understeer bias.

22 + front strut + 16 (what most of us are running now) : Increased understeer?

If you want a (relatively) neutral bias (aka, less tail happy but not understeer happy either) now, you would need:

a) 22 + front strut + 16 + rear strut

b) 22 + front strut + 18/22

That is, if we ONLY consider the struts and ARBs. Not the sus or the rims/tyres (considering bro CKK had to get his sus rebuilt, we can safely say Potong adjusted the geometry of the rear sus as well).

IINM. Please korek me if I'm wrong (which I think I am wor).
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Bro, I have changed mine, rear ARB, to 23mm. Now my passengers no more complaining of seasick. biggrin.gif

My experience on 23mm: can take sharp corners with more confidence (less understeer) but on undulating roads, as our springs are still soft, still can feel the sampan effects.

Then again, I am still on stock wheels. Suspect the high profile tires, which I think 50-series should fare better.

Just my two cents.
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post Apr 2 2012, 12:28 AM

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lalalalala

Jxplod jump 18"
some will jump LCP soon
some doing UR Bar research.

then then then?
MeToo geh bumper mod ?
SOthy geh real twin exhaust?
NZH table?rims?extractor?
Simon supersikit?
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QUOTE(JackNg1985 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:28 AM)
lalalalala

Jxplod jump 18"
some will jump LCP soon
some doing UR Bar research.

then then then?
MeToo geh bumper mod ?
SOthy geh real twin exhaust?
NZH table?rims?extractor?
Simon supersikit?
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Hui kenalikiller sudah komen wor. You what next Jack?

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post Apr 2 2012, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(JackNg1985 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:28 AM)
lalalalala

Jxplod jump 18"
some will jump LCP soon
some doing UR Bar research.

then then then?
MeToo geh bumper mod ?
SOthy geh real twin exhaust?
NZH table?rims?extractor?
Simon supersikit?
.
.
.
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jou ji i buy fortetek.. or insects..

then u will see stewpik cousin says.. my insect remap jo 0-100 in 4.9 second.. top speed 272 km/h
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post Apr 2 2012, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(JackNg1985 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:28 AM)
lalalalala

Jxplod jump 18"
some will jump LCP soon
some doing UR Bar research.

then then then?
MeToo geh bumper mod ?
SOthy geh real twin exhaust?
NZH table?rims?extractor?
Simon supersikit?
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table i think cannot la... wait for sport absorber
rim - ask vincent slow slow sourcing
extractor - self survey.... need ask tiew lei kok i think.....
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post Apr 2 2012, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:41 AM)
table i think cannot la... wait for sport absorber
rim - ask vincent slow slow sourcing
extractor - self survey.... need ask tiew lei kok i think.....
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yeah no rush no rush.
else you can organize some trip TT arrangement here .


Added on April 2, 2012, 12:47 am
QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:37 AM)
jou ji i buy fortetek.. or insects..

then u will see stewpik cousin says.. my insect remap jo 0-100 in 4.9 second.. top speed 272 km/h
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You lagi untung lor . Save RM40-50k of buying Japan car.

Today you passby me from far i 100% thought is Lancer. after passby saw rear miror only know is you and also your rim color.

why no flash kao me?


Added on April 2, 2012, 12:48 am
QUOTE(Eiraku @ Apr 2 2012, 12:37 AM)
Hui kenalikiller sudah komen wor. You what next Jack?
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BABY SEAT.
Wahahahaha.

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post Apr 2 2012, 12:53 AM

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About the ARB, 19 eh. UR got 18, might try that, but I heard there's problems with the brake cables shearing with UR ARBs? Any alternatives?

Personal Mod Targets:

Current: K&N drop in, Osram NBP, Vinyl Eyelids for lights, Mitsu boot tray (where to get?), Meguiar's UQW + ONR.

Near Future: 17 rims + Tyres.

Far Future: Titans, Rear ARB/Strut, Everco 4-2-1 + decat + bullet + muffs, R3 rear ducklip.

Yep. That looks about right.

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QUOTE(JackNg1985 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:44 AM)
BABY SEAT.
Wahahahaha.
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QUOTE(JackNg1985 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:44 AM)
yeah no rush no rush.
else you can organize some trip TT arrangement here .


Added on April 2, 2012, 12:47 am

You lagi untung lor . Save RM40-50k of buying Japan car.

Today you passby me from far i 100% thought is Lancer. after passby saw rear miror only know is you and also your rim color.

why no flash kao me?


Added on April 2, 2012, 12:48 am

BABY SEAT.
Wahahahaha.

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i oso almost pass u only saw WUT

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