QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Apr 1 2012, 10:02 PM)
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LYN Proton INSPIRA Owners and Fans Thread V30!, Smart Guys Less Lansi(er) One.
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Apr 1 2012, 10:20 PM
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Okay my understanding. Mitsu came with Front ARB, Front tower strut and Rear ARB + Hard sus + 18 rims/50 tyres. Result: Tail happy.
Potong INCREASED the diameter of the front ARB and decreased the rear + Softer sus + 16 rims/60 tyres. Result: Better balance, better comfort, boaty feeling. So, we add strut. Increase front stiffness. Wouldn't this result in more understeer now? Put stiffer Rear ARB OR Rear tower strut: Neutral with less body roll? Am I korek? Or am I just spouting tahi kerbau over here? This post has been edited by Eiraku: Apr 1 2012, 10:22 PM |
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Apr 1 2012, 10:22 PM
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Apr 1 2012, 10:20 PM) Okay my understanding. Mitsu came with Front ARB, Front tower strut and Rear ARB + Hard sus. Result: Tail happy. don have increase the front ARBPotong INCREASED the diameter of the front ARB and decreased the rear. Softer sus. Result: Better balance. So, we add strut. Increase front stiffness. Wouldn't this result in more understeer now? Put stiffer Rear ARB OR Rear tower strut: Neutral with less body roll? Am I korek? Or am I just spouting tahi kerbau over here? inspira 22 16 LGT 22 22 thinner rear anti roll bar for more comfort feel and understeer provide safer driving feel for normal driver This post has been edited by nzh0920: Apr 1 2012, 10:26 PM |
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Apr 1 2012, 10:22 PM) don have increase the front ARB Okay. I'm working under the basic assumption that harder front vs back = understeer and harder back vs front = oversteer here (which might be wrong as heck). So:inspira 22 16 LGT 22 22 thinner rear anti roll bar for more comfort feel and understeer provide safer driving feel 22 + 16 : Slight understeer bias. 22 + front strut + 16 (what most of us are running now) : Increased understeer? If you want a (relatively) neutral bias (aka, less tail happy but not understeer happy either) now, you would need: a) 22 + front strut + 16 + rear strut b) 22 + front strut + 18/22 That is, if we ONLY consider the struts and ARBs. Not the sus or the rims/tyres (considering bro CKK had to get his sus rebuilt, we can safely say Potong adjusted the geometry of the rear sus as well). IINM. Please korek me if I'm wrong (which I think I am wor). This post has been edited by Eiraku: Apr 1 2012, 10:35 PM |
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Upgrade to 19 in the rear (ARB)
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Apr 1 2012, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Apr 1 2012, 10:28 PM) Okay. I'm working under the basic assumption that harder front vs back = understeer and harder back vs front = oversteer here (which might be wrong as heck). So: erm..... add tower bar got affect the characteristics of the car or not i don know.... it does reduce a bit body roll....22 + 16 : Slight understeer bias. 22 + front strut + 16 (what most of us are running now) : Increased understeer? If you want a (relatively) neutral bias (aka, less tail happy but not understeer happy either) now, you would need: a) 22 + front strut + 16 + rear strut b) 22 + front strut + 18/22 That is, if we ONLY consider the struts and ARBs. Not the sus or the rims/tyres (considering bro CKK had to get his sus rebuilt, we can safely say Potong adjusted the geometry of the rear sus as well). IINM. Please korek me if I'm wrong (which I think I am wor). so i cant answer u..... but for me i will go for 19mm rear ARB... for a more neutral setup.... rear strut prehaps u can ask the shop owner can let u try or not during install the rear ARB bar?? This post has been edited by nzh0920: Apr 1 2012, 11:54 PM |
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Apr 1 2012, 10:28 PM) Okay. I'm working under the basic assumption that harder front vs back = understeer and harder back vs front = oversteer here (which might be wrong as heck). So: Bro, I have changed mine, rear ARB, to 23mm. Now my passengers no more complaining of seasick. 22 + 16 : Slight understeer bias. 22 + front strut + 16 (what most of us are running now) : Increased understeer? If you want a (relatively) neutral bias (aka, less tail happy but not understeer happy either) now, you would need: a) 22 + front strut + 16 + rear strut b) 22 + front strut + 18/22 That is, if we ONLY consider the struts and ARBs. Not the sus or the rims/tyres (considering bro CKK had to get his sus rebuilt, we can safely say Potong adjusted the geometry of the rear sus as well). IINM. Please korek me if I'm wrong (which I think I am wor). My experience on 23mm: can take sharp corners with more confidence (less understeer) but on undulating roads, as our springs are still soft, still can feel the sampan effects. Then again, I am still on stock wheels. Suspect the high profile tires, which I think 50-series should fare better. Just my two cents. |
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lalalalala
Jxplod jump 18" some will jump LCP soon some doing UR Bar research. then then then? MeToo geh bumper mod ? SOthy geh real twin exhaust? NZH table?rims?extractor? Simon supersikit? . . . |
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QUOTE(JackNg1985 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:28 AM) lalalalala Hui kenalikiller sudah komen wor. You what next Jack?Jxplod jump 18" some will jump LCP soon some doing UR Bar research. then then then? MeToo geh bumper mod ? SOthy geh real twin exhaust? NZH table?rims?extractor? Simon supersikit? . . . This post has been edited by Eiraku: Apr 2 2012, 12:52 AM |
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QUOTE(JackNg1985 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:28 AM) lalalalala jou ji i buy fortetek.. or insects..Jxplod jump 18" some will jump LCP soon some doing UR Bar research. then then then? MeToo geh bumper mod ? SOthy geh real twin exhaust? NZH table?rims?extractor? Simon supersikit? . . . then u will see stewpik cousin says.. my insect remap jo 0-100 in 4.9 second.. top speed 272 km/h |
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QUOTE(JackNg1985 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:28 AM) lalalalala table i think cannot la... wait for sport absorberJxplod jump 18" some will jump LCP soon some doing UR Bar research. then then then? MeToo geh bumper mod ? SOthy geh real twin exhaust? NZH table?rims?extractor? Simon supersikit? . . . rim - ask vincent slow slow sourcing extractor - self survey.... need ask tiew lei kok i think..... |
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:41 AM) table i think cannot la... wait for sport absorber yeah no rush no rush.rim - ask vincent slow slow sourcing extractor - self survey.... need ask tiew lei kok i think..... else you can organize some trip TT arrangement here . Added on April 2, 2012, 12:47 am QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:37 AM) jou ji i buy fortetek.. or insects.. You lagi untung lor . Save RM40-50k of buying Japan car. then u will see stewpik cousin says.. my insect remap jo 0-100 in 4.9 second.. top speed 272 km/h Today you passby me from far i 100% thought is Lancer. after passby saw rear miror only know is you and also your rim color. why no flash kao me? Added on April 2, 2012, 12:48 am QUOTE(Eiraku @ Apr 2 2012, 12:37 AM) BABY SEAT.Wahahahaha. This post has been edited by JackNg1985: Apr 2 2012, 12:48 AM |
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About the ARB, 19 eh. UR got 18, might try that, but I heard there's problems with the brake cables shearing with UR ARBs? Any alternatives?
Personal Mod Targets: Current: K&N drop in, Osram NBP, Vinyl Eyelids for lights, Mitsu boot tray (where to get?), Meguiar's UQW + ONR. Near Future: 17 rims + Tyres. Far Future: Titans, Rear ARB/Strut, Everco 4-2-1 + decat + bullet + muffs, R3 rear ducklip. Yep. That looks about right. This post has been edited by Eiraku: Apr 2 2012, 12:55 AM |
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QUOTE(JackNg1985 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:44 AM) yeah no rush no rush. i oso almost pass u only saw WUTelse you can organize some trip TT arrangement here . Added on April 2, 2012, 12:47 am You lagi untung lor . Save RM40-50k of buying Japan car. Today you passby me from far i 100% thought is Lancer. after passby saw rear miror only know is you and also your rim color. why no flash kao me? Added on April 2, 2012, 12:48 am BABY SEAT. Wahahahaha. |
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