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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion Thread Ver.15, Get your D800/D4 now !

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post Apr 2 2012, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 2 2012, 11:28 AM)
that means indirectly u are saying that ISO12800 of D4 is the same as around ISO7000 of D3s?
sure or not?
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He's judging from the camera itself which may not be accurate, plus, there's other factors like the is it under 100% the same condition? Any under-expose or dark areas, etc?

There's already detail test done by many professional anyway, with samples for your to see and compare, plus some even take the raw file vs jpeg file to compare with D3S, and also resample to D3S size, it gets better after resampled to 12MP.
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post Apr 2 2012, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 2 2012, 11:38 AM)
i'm not sure how the resampling reduces noise for D4 / D800.
noise should still be the same resampled, just not as obvious.


Added on April 2, 2012, 11:41 amanyway, everyones fav Dx0 has released their findings which i guess everyone knows by now.
D3s about 1/2 stop better than D4, and D4 about 1 stop better than D800.
so that should reason that D800 is just about 1 stop better than D700.
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True, that's why I didn't say reduce, hehe; I wrote better in terms of overall tongue.gif

I think what D800 excels in is the detail, really amazing.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 3 2012, 03:00 PM)
DFD pro with the diffuser in front? then 'almost' similar effect la tongue.gif
except u dont lose as much light as a diffusion dome.


Added on April 3, 2012, 3:05 pmi have the DFD classic, tho most of the time i only use the diffusion dome that comes with the flash...unless i really really need to throw more light forward.
but im also very lazy, and the dome is easier to setup tongue.gif
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almost similar? Not for my experience, I don't like the diffusion dome effect, it's much harsher and direct, plus it tends to darken the background. Shooting with same setting, the DFD Pro way better result from my experience, especially when you can adjust the diffuser and modify it to a bigger one.

For easier setup can purchase or DIY this: http://www.abetterbouncecard.com/
Only thing can't really adjust just DFD Pro.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 3 2012, 04:59 PM)
I find the dome is no good for big open space. Maybe indoors small rooms still ok, but big halls such as the IMPACT Challenger its useless and wasting too much power, no point using. Might as well shoot without flash.
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I tried indoor small room or big room, didn't like the effect. One of the event, I saw 2 photographer, one of them using dome, flash slightly backwards instead of up or front, and another photographer using mixture of bounce and bounce card. SOOC, you can easily tell which is using the dome; In AWB, "generally", the dome will give cold tone, darker background and more hard lighting.


QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 3 2012, 05:03 PM)
not really, the dome is still throwing some light forward.
plus ur only using 35mm, so ur not that far away anyway.
if u notice alot of shots, its not just about the exposure, almost all will have some nice catch light in the eye, thats where a flash can come in handy.
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Depending on the environment, without flash and with flash (depending how it is used) can give really different outcome.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 3 2012, 09:20 PM)
all depends how u angle the flash head with the diffusion dome on.
and darken background? perhaps if the flash is set facing head on like direct flash.
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No, head up; Perhaps need to adjust settings as you're getting less reach but wider all around. I'm comparing similar settings with DFD Pro and Dome, the DFD Pro would get better ambient lighting, while the dome with the same settings will have darker background, plus the AWB will also produce cold tone.

The photographer which angle the flash head sligthy backwards, the photo I saw gives the same result just not so direct/harsh.

Just from what I've experience and seen, as usually people use diffusion dome generally, the result is always similar and you can easily tell they're using diffusion dome (SOOC short with AWB and TTL).


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QUOTE(salvator @ Apr 4 2012, 02:59 PM)
0168257061, replied my answer. rolleyes.gif 

Sorry, I just joking around. I actually mean if I don't use the photo for commercial will just shot jpeg. Because storage wise. I don't have huge storage to store.
This year even lesser chicks? So you couldn't filled up your both cards? shocking.gif
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I think more like teasing or sarcasm? LoL, even if D800, nothing to do with need or want to edit or not.

Actually, doesn't matter commercial or for self, it's the self satisfaction and expectation. If you shoot jpeg then you have less options or flexibility to correct and apply your own processing to the photo.
JPEG is still processed, but processed by the camera using STANDARD/GENERAL or PREDEFINED processing in the camera or Nikon's proprietary processing. You can also customize slightly the processing by adjusting some parameters, but it's still applies the same for all photos, which you may not always want to.
If you want to custom and apply your own settings for EACH photo, then you shoot RAW and processed to your own preference and taste.

Think of it as cooking, you bought a raw meat; and the Camera is a standard/general device which will process the meat, it provides few selection of how you want to cook the meat and you can also find tune. For fast, you can use the pre-define setting and throw in the raw meat and let it process. So different brand device have their own predefined processing to suit different taste. So, it depends if you want to use these predefined processing or do your own processing.

You can shoot RAW, then in the camera, you can process again with different profile e.g. Standard, Portrait, Vivid, etc, which you can still adjust each profile during the processing. OR you can just process all using 1 profile; but the profile usually don't suit every settings, e.g. shooting human portrait and shooting car. So, it depends on your own satisfaction and expectation. You can be happy with the 'standard' processing result or you can feel it can be further enhance to make it better.

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QUOTE(amduser @ Apr 4 2012, 05:36 PM)
only affect long exposure if i off NR? it wont affect bust mode?

how about the dynamic range or dynamic lightning thingy at the menu? will it affect too?
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There is 2 type NR, one is the normal NR, one more NR is "LONG EXPOSURE NOISE REDUCTION".

Your SD Card is Class 6, but what speed? The standard one is 6MB/sec. You shoot JPEG or RAW? or BOTH?


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QUOTE(amduser @ Apr 4 2012, 05:53 PM)
sandisk ultra class 6 30mbps, RM89

i shot RAW only, without jpeg
i know what is that feature, it is called ADL lightning or something like that, i always put that in "High"

if i turned off the long exposure NR will it affect my image quality? let's say bulb mode on ISO 100, which usually has close to no noise

another problem is that my burst shutter only can burst like less than 10 frame and it started to slowdown, so if i turn off the normal noise reduction it help increase the time with the sacrifice of noisy picture on high ISO?

from the tech specs it supposed to burst 16 shots if shot on RAW ONLY hmm.gif
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Bulb mode is exposure longer than 30s; what do you mean by burst shot in bulb mode?
Bulb mode, the shutter will be open for 30 second for 1 exposure.

Long exposure even you're on ISO 100 can have noise.

If you mean normal shot burst and you shoot raw only, then I'm not sure about D5100 buffer. Can check with Calvin.
If not check if your card is genuine.

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QUOTE(hkenh @ Apr 12 2012, 11:37 PM)
nope, and Nikon has unofficially acknowledged the AF issue too
the AF issue is something that the left AF point are always OOF while the centre and right focus point are spot on
and it's not an user error, since ppl test it using tripod and compare image capture with liveview where in liveview all the focus point is spot on so that rules out sensor's problem.
it's more apparent on wide angle lenses like 14-24 and 24mm.
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LiveView using Contrast Detect, sure different when using viewfinder.

If there is Back Focus or Front Focus issue, using LiveView doesn't have this problem.

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QUOTE(hkenh @ Apr 13 2012, 09:39 AM)
Duh!!!  icon_idea.gif
because in liveview mode, sensor is the one focusing not the AF module. That's why normally one compare an image with one taken under liveview mode to check front/back focusing. And you fine tune your AF in your body til it mirrors the result achieved in liveview. It's not right to say liveview sure different when using viewfiner. A perfectly calibrated AF module and lens should yield identical result when compared to images capture by using liveview.
And I'm talking about the AF problem for D800. Because it's known with wide lenses, the left focus points are OOF while the centre and right are not, using liveview is to check whether it was due to the AF module or sensor.
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Huh?
I'm saying if have problem with focusing, using LiveView sure will spot on, as reply to your statement about when they use LiveView it's spot on.

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QUOTE(hkenh @ Apr 13 2012, 10:12 AM)
they used liveview just to rule out the AF issue from the sensor, nothing else. -.-
so they know the problem is probably due to AF module misalignment. Because it's odd to see centre and right focus point able to focus properly while the left side always appear OOF.


Added on April 13, 2012, 10:16 ambecause if the sensor is misaligned, using liveview will yield some odd shift in focal plane. . . .
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That's why I say LiveView will yield different result and will show spot on. LoL, your reply like disagree, but then you said back the same thing back? LoL.

Anyway, I think I misunderstood from your initial statement.

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QUOTE(hkenh @ Apr 13 2012, 10:40 AM)
hmm. . . if sensor is misaligned, it's not true that it will always get perfect focus in liveview.
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Thanks, that's extreme cases?
Most issue people face is either back/front focus by body AF or lens.

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QUOTE(amduser @ Apr 13 2012, 09:03 PM)
sharing my picture from PC fair today

i'm still noob in photography, shy shy to post pic so i put it in spoiler blush.gif

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Did you use recovery or something? There's something wierd about the photos.

Did you use a lot of luminance noise reduction?
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QUOTE(hkenh @ Apr 15 2012, 07:38 AM)
in AF-C if you recompose it will still only focus within the AF focus layout area (so no fundamental differences), so with this face detection feature the face of the subject will always be in focus(around the AF area) and you can put all your attention on the composition. Depending on how well it works, I think the days of getting frustrated because image is OOF after recompose may well be gone for good.

since you have the camera you should try it out how well does it work. Put ur settings to AF-C and Auto-area AF and then do some test. It doesn't need to be a real person, you can even shoot poster with a face.  laugh.gif
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I think not called Auto-Area AF, technically Auto-Area AF means, AF-A

I think you mean Dynamic Area AF?
But I think you should use 3D Tracking Area for the example you mentioned.


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QUOTE(hkenh @ Apr 15 2012, 11:53 PM)
AF-A???
There's only two AF mode, AF-S & AF-C
and there's three AF area mode - single,dynamic & auto
and with auto-area AF, according to nikon website - ''Auto Area AF uses color information and special face recognition algorithms to automatically focus on an individual’s face, which is extremely helpful when there’s simply no time to select a focus point, or when using Live View in hand-held mode at high or low angles.''
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In lower end bodies, there's AF-A:

For explanation, here's a video, navigate to AF Area.
You will see Auto-Area, Dynamic Area and 3D Tracking:
http://www.nikondigitutor.com/eng/d90/index.shtml

In 3D Tracking, it's what as per explain where it helps in recomposition. I seldom use these, I think it newer models, there is Auto mode will full Focus point, but not sure if it's considered Dynamic or not because Dynamic is not display or shown at all.
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QUOTE(hkenh @ Apr 16 2012, 09:10 AM)
Erm, I'm not talking about Nikon DSLR in general, I'm talking about D800 . . . .  doh.gif
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It doesn't matter, it's just a function/feature.
In fact, it's from Nikon. All models shares the same Dynamic, Single, 3D and Auto. Some older models may not have some features and some advance models may not have those lower end beginner feature. Either way, the term is the same, such as Dynamic, Single, 3D, etc.
D7000 does have BOTH Auto-Area Focus Point and AF-A

Anyway, it's just terms, good to know; doesn't matter which body. At least we now know, there 2 things about Auto-Area.


EDIT:
OK, just check D7000 manual, the AF-A explanation is more clear, it's should be called, Auto-Servo AF, as in Single-Servo AF and Continuous Servo AF. This should fall under AutoFocus mode, while the other should be as what you've mentioned, AutoFocus/AF "Area" Mode.


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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 16 2012, 03:54 PM)
D800 and D4 also have AF-A mode.
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QUOTE(ongdennis @ Apr 19 2012, 01:34 PM)
Hi All,
what do u all think?
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it is dust or oil spot? i get this from my D7000.
i raise this problem to nikon malaysia n they feedback me is a dust. i try to use a blower to blow it but it did not help at all.
They say going to charge me 60+ for the cleaning.

since the camera will be send in to nikon, what else i can ask them to check for me since the camera still in warranty.
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Under warranty should be cheaper, I think RM20?


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QUOTE(ongdennis @ Apr 19 2012, 02:28 PM)
no woo...they quote me RM60+
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Did you tell them your unit still under warranty?
Where did you ask? Try check with Nikon HQ in PJ.
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QUOTE(opfish @ Apr 25 2012, 11:57 AM)
Haha, I don't really like HDR too but sometimes need to use the technique to nail the shot. Yes, I realised the distortion too. Makes the horizontal line looks curvy  blush.gif
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Depends what type of HDR, most people seems to do the extreme HDR rather than natural HDR, as in to achieve higher dynamic range to capture the shot.

Check below for more natural or proper HDR, the main/primary purpose of HDR is to achieve what our eyes can see:
http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/27/...light-examples/

The other types of HDR, I would consider as "artistic" HDR, well, at least the way I see it.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 25 2012, 12:59 PM)
i think ppl have the misconception of what HDR is after seeing lots of fake HDRs.


Added on April 25, 2012, 1:14 pmhere, some reading for u.
http://www.photomalaysia.com/forums/conten...-a-failed-image
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True and nice article from eddieputra!

QUOTE(opfish @ Apr 25 2012, 01:55 PM)
Some might like the fake, and some might like a more natural HDR. To each its own. That's why I processed the above 2 photos to resemble both types.

If I had an ND filter with me when shot the scene, I'd not use bracketing but just shoot normally  icon_rolleyes.gif
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But both also doesn't look like the natural type. By the way, did you use high clarity in those pictures?

There's something unique and nice for those extreme/artistic HDR, if it's done well.


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